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Antivirus programs that do not detect or protect against PUPs


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#1 dave1977nj

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Posted 15 February 2014 - 10:40 PM

Does anyone know which of the antiviruses mostly used that do not detect against potentially unwanted programs?

 

I know for sure Norton does not protect against Pups  :nono: . I am thinking of switching from my Norton antivirus for this reason.

 

Thank You.

-Dave


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Posted 16 February 2014 - 04:07 AM

Hi Dave -
PUPs are generally detected by Antimalware programs (like Malwarebytes and a few others) rather than your Antivirus.

Since both types of programs operate in their own way, both are required on your computer.

Read Supplementing your Anti-Virus Program with Anti-Malware Tools, and the reasons for it.

EDIT - We often use ESET Online scanner, since this is one Antivirus scanner that detects PUPs.


Edited by noknojon, 16 February 2014 - 05:02 AM.


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Posted 16 February 2014 - 09:34 AM

PUPs may be defined somewhat differently by various security vendors and may or may not be detected/removed based on that definition. That fact adds to confusion and a lot of complaints from end users asking why a detection was not made on a particular file (program) they are having issues with.

Some programs falling into the PUP category have legitimate uses in contexts where an authorized user or administrator has knowingly installed it. Anti-virus scanners cannot distinguish between "good" and "malicious" use of such programs.

Some anti-virus programs and security scanners have options to include or exclude the detection of PUPs because of how they are defined. If your security tools are not finding any PUPs, then most likely the settings have been set to exclude or ignore those detections. If your tools are finding but not removing PUPs, then most likely the settings are set to detect but not take any action.

To learn more about PUPs, please read: About those Toolbars and Add-ons - Potentially Unwanted Programs (PUPs)
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Posted 16 February 2014 - 09:47 AM

Does anyone know which of the antiviruses mostly used that do not detect against potentially unwanted programs?

 

I know for sure Norton does not protect against Pups  :nono: . I am thinking of switching from my Norton antivirus for this reason.

 

Thank You.

-Dave

 

Hi Dave,

 

Agree about Norton and other AV's that don't scan for PUP's.

 

I've been running Norton 360 AV simultaneously with MBAM Pro for about 14 months without any conflict issues.

 

MBAM pro detects and blocks potentially malicious 'net sites on my PC, those which Norton doesn't block.  Some of the notifications may be false-positives from MBAM but I like to use the dual-layer protection approach since MBAM (Pro version)'s "flash scan" feature will detect PUP's and provide the option for removal.

 

It's generally recommended that it's best to use a dual-layer protection scheme with a mainline AV product in conjunction with an antimalware-specific tool.

 

The hot-button-topic side of this issue, among some, has to do with running any 2 real-time scanners at the same time.  This is what some members at the Norton Forum repeatedly post there but have not offered lab data to substantiate the recommendation to avoid a 2nd real-time antimalware tool due to conflicts when a threat is detected in a system.

 

What is omitted from their discussion is this part of the topic, from the MBAM Knowledge Base:

 

https://helpdesk.malwarebytes.org/entries/20818081

 

I've asked the question about providing data to validate the recommendation as have the MBAM Forum's Admin, but neither of us has received answers to our questions, nor have I seen a Symantec staff member verify the claim to avoid MBAM Pro's usage with Norton AV's.

 

I'm a satisfied Norton AV subscriber but I also think their unwavering stance regarding MBAM Pro's use is not accurate.



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Posted 16 February 2014 - 10:13 AM

Anti-virus programs general scan for malware which includes viruses, Trojans, worms, rootkits, bots, etc. PUPS do not fall into any of those categories and that is the primary reason some AV's do not detect or remove them. ESET NOD32 is one anti-virus which detect PUPs but you have to change the settings in order for this feature to kick in.

I'm a satisfied Norton AV subscriber but I also think their unwavering stance regarding MBAM Pro's use is not accurate.

I agree with that assessment.
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