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Which video card for XPS 400?


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#1 BigElCat

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Posted 12 February 2014 - 04:02 PM

The Geforce 6800 video card in my Dell XPS 400 is going out.  I see many higher rated video cards for about the same money as a replacement 6800.  I've already replaced the PSU with a 500 watt unit.  I'm more interested in quality video watching rather than gaming.  Any recommendations?



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Posted 12 February 2014 - 05:19 PM

Would a Radeon HD 4670 be a decent upgrade? 



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Posted 12 February 2014 - 07:37 PM

did you want to stay with the nvidia cards or go with the radeon?

 

  the radeon r7 250 or hd 7770 are decent cards for the p4d CPU that you have. i don't think the 4670 is sold new anymore but the pre-owned arena may offer a few. whichever way you go, for video you want high stream processor/shading unit count (over 300) , and the 7770 has the most.

 

on the nvidia side, the gtx 650 is on the level of the 7770. if i had to choose, i would go with the 7770 with the gddr5. lots more of bang for the buck. arguably the best gram for gram radeon card in circulation if you look at the specs/price ratio.


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Posted 12 February 2014 - 10:29 PM

My CPU is a Pentium D 820 running at 2.80Ghz.  nvidia is the only brand I've ever used, but I'm willing to switch.  The r7 250, gtx 650, and the HD 7770 look good, but they seem like a little too much for my computer (?) and a little out of my budget.  

 

I'm listening to your advice, though, and I appreciate your input.  What's your opinion of the r7 240?  I can get one for $40.  The r7 250, the gtx 650 and HD 7770 are closer to $100.


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Posted 13 February 2014 - 12:01 AM

r7 240 has 340 stream processor units compared to the 7770 that has 640. 30w tdp, no additional power plugins required.  half the price approximately, i think that it fits the ticket. the 240 i am looking at has the gddr3 vram though, and 2gb of it, which may or may not compromise your system ram if your OS is 32 bit. the extra vram would be a sweet deal for a larger display size.

 

 I used to be the radeon type, but the graphics apps i use for school specify nvidia only for whatever reason so i will save my radeon enthuisasm for another day on my home pc getups. I use an old nvidia 9800 gt for my XP32 machine. that may be another option for you, there are quite a few 8800/9800 gt on the open market for cheap, i picked mine up for $20. it only has 112 spus though, which would suck for video.  but in the gaming realm, it is about twice the strength of the r7 240. the 8800/9800 series were quite popular in SLI config a few years ago, actually, they still are. users are holding onto them because the cards in SLI  blew the lid off the performance expectations in their day.

 

   do keep your eyes on the prize though.  the 7770/7790 is as sweet as it gets for the money, and the P4D CPU should pipe data through to it quite well.


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Posted 13 February 2014 - 09:53 AM

I see a deal on a Galaxy GTS 250.  Some say this runs well on the Pentium D.  Any thoughts?


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Posted 13 February 2014 - 10:45 AM

I think I've narrowed it down to two choices:

 

r7 240 w/ 2G vram http://www.ebay.com/itm/301095393452?ssPageName=STRK:MEWAX:IT&_trksid=p3984.m1423.l2649

 

GTS 250 w/512M vram http://www.ebay.com/itm/321322310066?ssPageName=STRK:MEWAX:IT&_trksid=p3984.m1423.l2649

 

Comparisons give the nod to the GTS 250 for gaming, but I just do video/internet.  Is the r7 240 the way to go?  My OS is windows 7, 32 bit.



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Posted 13 February 2014 - 11:40 AM

r7 240 has 340 stream processor units compared to the 7770 that has 640. 30w tdp, no additional power plugins required.  half the price approximately, i think that it fits the ticket. the 240 i am looking at has the gddr3 vram though, and 2gb of it, which may or may not compromise your system ram if your OS is 32 bit. the extra vram would be a sweet deal for a larger display size.

I'm leaning toward the r7 240.  Tell me more about the potential compromise of the system ram.  I have 4 gig of Kingston that runs slower than the vram.  Is this a problem?  The OS is Windows 7 pro 32 bit.


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Posted 13 February 2014 - 01:45 PM

a 32 bit os is addressing 4gb max, and if the gfx card is 2gb, the addressing total could be compromised.  but then again, win7 x32 may have settings that let the memory be allocated better than xp does.  the gts 250 is really an old gaming card like my 9800gt, with low spu count and high (150w) power draw, it would need an additional 6 pin power connection or 2 off the 500w psu and i would not recommend it for a media card.  the p4d cpu is an old gen dual core, but it is a genuine dual core, not a hyperthreaded p4 like my xp machine has. i think the p4d would be fine until you get into the 7850/660 gpu area, then it  may not keep up on some apps. then the question is, how high can you go before the cpu just can't send the data fast enough for the gfx card to utilize its full potential?  there are also quite a few 5770s in circualtion if the pre-owned hardware isn't out of the equation. those 5770s are in the 800 spu ballpark, which would be a rich media environment but it looks like they are out of budget range most of the time. there are models of the r7 240 that are 1gb  gddr5  like these:

 

http://www.hisdigital.com/un/product2-765.shtml

 

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814202056

 

there might be a deal available on a 5770 like this:

 

http://www.ebay.com/itm/XFX-ATI-Radeon-HD-5770-HD-577A-ZNFC-1-GB-GDDR5-PCI-Express-x16-HDMI-/171237810871?pt=PCC_Video_TV_Cards&hash=item27de91a2b7

 

so there it is, a 5770 pre-owned if you can find one for the budget conscious, or the r7 240 1gb gddr5


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Posted 13 February 2014 - 02:26 PM

Well....I won this one:  http://www.ebay.com/itm/231154617693?ssPageName=STRK:MEBIDX:IT&_trksid=p3984.m1426.l2649&autorefresh=true

 

It's a HD 4670 with 1 gig gddr 3.  I had already placed my bid before we started talking about the 5770.  $39 ain't too bad.

 

Do you think it will do me?  I need the vga output to go the my 39" LCD TV.  I could get a HDMI cable if that would be better than the VGA cable.  Thoughts? 

 

I could have the new r7 240 gddr3 model for the same money, but the 4670 is known to work in my old Dell.


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Posted 13 February 2014 - 03:08 PM

The HD 4670 1GB has a core clock frequency of 750 MHz and a memory frequency of 1100 MHz. It also features a 128-bit bus, and uses a 55 nm design. It is made up of 320(64x5) SPUs, 32 TAUs, and 8 Raster Operation Units.

 

Compare all of that to the  R7 240, which comes with a core clock frequency of 730 MHz and a  memory frequency of 900 MHz. It also makes use of a 128-bit memory bus, and uses a 28 nm design. It is comprised of 320 SPUs, 20 TAUs, and 8 Raster Operation Units

 

 320 stream processor count should be fine for a media card and is on par with the r7 240. the 55nm is less energy efficient than the 28nm 240, but if it works, how bad could it be?

 

 the vga  is analog, if it signals through to your TV then all is good, i am not sure about the hdmi config, but most tvs have the hdmi port nowadays to get signals from the gfx card hdmi port.  


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