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#1 ryan_w_quick

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Posted 08 May 2006 - 08:17 PM

Yesterday, Barry Bonds hit his 713th home run, so he is one short of Babe Ruth, and 42 short of Hank Aaron. Many people believe that Barry Bonds should not be listed in the record books if he breaks Aaron's record due to his involvement in the steroid scandal in Major League Baseball (even though he's not been convicted). Some have even gone so far as to say that he shouldn't be allowed into the Hall of Fame. The many people who feel this way claim that steroids have given him an unfair advantage over all the other players who ever played the game.

Now, here's my take on it..... Barry Bonds, even if juiced for most of his home runs, is not the only great player to ever have an unfair advantage in the record books. For one thing, Babe Ruth did not have to play against black players. Satchel Paige (a black pitcher who did not pitch in the MLB until after pitching in the negro leagues for almost 20 years) is considered by many baseball historians to be the first pitcher to break the 100 mph barrier. He never faced Ruth because he was in the other league. For that matter, maybe Roger Marris didn't break the Babe's season home run record, because the Babe's season was 8 games shorter. Finally, maybe Warren Spahn and Cy Young shouldn't be on the list for all time career wins because they got to play on a higher mound.

I hope I've fully expressed my point. I want to know where other people stand on this issue.
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Posted 08 May 2006 - 10:50 PM

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Posted 08 May 2006 - 11:03 PM

Exactly. Couldn't have said it better myself.

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Edited by yano, 08 May 2006 - 11:03 PM.


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Posted 09 May 2006 - 11:02 PM

(*) also. Even if there is no proof of cheating. He and Aaron played in a different game than Ruth for one. A dead ball era when for the firsst part until he kept hitting them,HR's weren't the actual goal of the game.
But I feel do to all the different factors, (#games,at bats , walks,sacs, ballpark sizes) all the HR records should be based on # Plate appearances and their HR rate. Therefore all the numbers are off and should be (*)
So for fun here's some projections,move all to Aaron's most At bats

Name .....Games.....At-bats ....HRs..... Rate%
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Aaron..... 3298.....12,364......755.....6.1
Mays ..... 2992.....10,881...... 660.....6.1
Ruth ..... 2503.......8,399......714.....8.5
Bonds..... 2439.......8,335......613....7.4

Projected HRs
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Ruth 1051
Bonds 909
Aaron 755
Mays 750
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Now with plate appearances the #'s are


PA.....HR.....HR %.....Proj HR
===========================
Aaron......13940.....755.....5.4.....755
Mays.......12493.....660.....5.3.....736
Ruth........10617.....714.....6.7.....937
Bonds......10417.....613.....5.9.....820

Ruth still comes out thas the best of all time
Unless we add in another juicer they say.

McGwire......7660......583......7.6.....1061

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