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3TB's Partitioned As NTFS With MBR Out There?

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#1 jonuk76


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Posted 21 December 2013 - 12:01 PM

I don't know about exposing 4K sector sizes on an internal drive.  Most drives I've seen recently don't have any jumpers on them at all.  If the manufacturer does not provide a utility to enable it then it seems unlikely to be possible.  BTW Toshiba drives may be re-branded Hitachi's, at least one I used recently still had a Hitachi sticker on it.  I do know that certain external USB 3Tb and 4Tb drives have 4K sectors enabled, but I understand this is through emulation provided by the controller in the USB caddy.


Here is the fsutil for one of my external HDD's set up like that (a Samsung 3Tb USB drive):




My understanding is due to the 4K emulation provided by the USB controller, if it was removed from the caddy and connected by it's native SATA connection directly to the computer, it would be unreadable in it's current form.


Disadvantages of the 4K sectors sizes are that it's incompatible with some software - Windows 7 Backup for example and some other drive imaging software.  Other than that it works OK.  I've recently installed Paragon Backup & Recovery 2013 Free, which claims to have full support of both GUID partition tables and 4K sector drives.  It does have drive imaging facilities, but not sure how it compares to Ghost in that respect.  But like I said I've only recently put it on and am still getting to grips with it - it's fairly complex software.


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Posted 22 December 2013 - 05:37 AM


Windows 7 Pro SP1 64-Bit with an ASRock P67 PRO3 (B3) MoBo

that has a UEFI BIOS, i5-2500K and Corsair Vengeance 16 Gigs.

My C, D and E partitions are on a 120 GB NTFS SSD with a MBR.

My present STORAGE HDD is a 2TB Toshiba with a MBR.

I recently purchased a Toshiba PH3300U-1I72 3TB to replace the 2TB.

I always Ghost with DOS Bootable CDs I make with custom

Autoexec.bat files I write, never Windows.

I found out from Symantec that Ghost has issues with GPT.

I found a way to make my 3TB FULLY accessible and set as MBR.

It's Acronis True Image, aka Seagates DiskWizard aka WD's version

of DiskWizard. It puts an "Extended Capacity Manager" in the boot

sector so you get one 2.1TB and one 700+GB partition, BOTH MBR.

See: Seagate DiscWizard CloneDisc for drives larger than 3TB_Part-2

The reason that I'm posting this is to get feedback from anyone who

has used these programs to see if the 3TBers work as any other HDD

would or are there any quirks that have come up since partitioning

your 3TB?

Please post to me.

Thanks in advance for your help.

Big Al

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Posted 22 December 2013 - 07:17 PM


   I just found this and would like some input before opening the

Toshiba 3TB's box:

Make SURE the 3TB is EMPTY as this will wipe ALL data on the drive

To make a fully accessible 3TB with 4k sector:

1. Boot to desktop.

2. Open "My Computer" in Windows Explorer.

3. Click on the EMPTY 3TB HDD.

4. If the factory made some partitions on it, delete them all.

5. Once it is just one disk, right-click it and click "Format"

6. Select "4096", "NTFS" and "Format".

7. Click OK.  Since the 3TB is EMPTY, it should be real quick.

8. It's now ready to be partitioned to your liking up to 2.7 or so

   TB's total and is set as MBR.

Big Al

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Posted 04 January 2014 - 09:07 PM

I found out the above does not work!

Well, I HATE to admit defeat, but since I CANNOT find the

Ghost v11.5.1.2298 from GSS 2.5.1 that DOES see GPT HDD's,

I've concluded that my only recourse is to relegate my 3TB to

GPT and to BACKUP status to my 2TB Toshiba and dusted-off 1TB

Hitachi MBR HDD's that I'll be using as my main drives.

After numerous E-Mails to a bunch of Cloning Software companies,

I've settled on MiniTool Partition Wizard v8.1.1 from

http://www.partitionwizard.com (To top it off, it's FREE!!!)

to pre-partition my 3TBer and to do the "Copy partitions from

my 1 and 2TB MBR's to partitions on my 3TB GPT" and use my

Ghost v11.5.1.2269's Make and Restore Bootable CD's to do my

MBR C and D Drive imaging chores.

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