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A new build and wanting to dual boot


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#1 Bill_in_Texas

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Posted 20 November 2013 - 08:27 AM

I am in the process of doing a new build and this is the first time for me. I want a dual boot system with Win XP and Win 7 installed. This being my first build I hope I'm not taking on too much.  I have a thread going in the XP forum with some great info (thanks Louis) but it got totally sidetracked from the original thought.  I was given a link there that is pretty clear on what to do but I'm unsure about a couple of things.  Here is the link for dual boot system

 

1. Can partitions be formed out of the bios and why do I need several of them?

2. I'm using Win 7 pro and XP mode is available.  Is this sufficient to run 32 bit programs?

 

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Posted 20 November 2013 - 01:30 PM

rather than trying to get XP working on windows 7 hardware I would say use XP mode, as long as you have decent specs and a good amount of RAM that should be able to run pretty much anything you would want to run on XP.

 

The problem with running XP on the new system would be drivers, more likely than not you would not be able to get any drivers for the new hardware that work fluidly, so you would have tons of issues, XP mode runs virtually through Win7 so you dont have to worry about drivers.



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Posted 20 November 2013 - 01:58 PM

You can certainly use dual booting.  You would want to install Windows XP then Windows 7 on a different partition or hard drive.  There are some things you will need to be aware of before doing this...

 

- Windows XP will be completely leaving Microsoft support in April 2014, you will no longer get any new updates at all.  You will, in effect, be using a dead OS that will become more of a security liability as time wears on.

 

- Windows 7 boots a little differently than XP and is newer, so you may want to manage the booting process from within 7. 

 

- Windows 7 has a compatibility mode that will allow you to run XP programs, but it isn't a 100% guarantee.

 

- Some hardware will not operate at their highest potential under XP.  Graphics cards using more modern versions of DirectX and newer CPU's are two examples.

 

- For simplicity, you may want to use two different hard drives and keep the two versions of Windows as seperate as possible with programs and configuration.  Only data files, documents, music, videos, should be shared between the two.


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Posted 20 November 2013 - 04:27 PM

As DJBPace07 stated the easiest way is to get two hard drives. if that is not an option You need to partition the drive into two drive letters.

That must be done at Install time. The BIOS can not do that, The windows Install software can partition and format the drive.

 

Why do You need two drive letters, One for each Windows?

 

That is because Windows XP will create a Program Files directory and expect that Windows XP versions of file will be there.

Windows 7 or 8 64Bit will put their own files there and trash the XP versions causing problems. This would include programs such as Internet Explorer.

 

Try the XP Mode. I never needed it. I am running Windows 7 64Bit and Windows 8 64Bit and excluding Antivirus type software Everything works.

I am running programs going back to the days when XP was the latest with no problems. I just took a look at one I still, use running on the Windows 8 computer, Dated from March 2004 and another going back to April 2004

 

The things that run into problems are Utility programs form the XP days. I would never try and run Norton utilities for example.

 

Good Luck

Roger

 

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Posted 20 November 2013 - 05:37 PM

Thank you all for the input.  I have read several items on this and XP mode. I think I will try using the XP mode if necessary and if I were to use dual boot I would put XP on a separate HDD.  I've read that installing XP after Win 7 on dual boot will cause the need to repair the Win 7 boot files.  Can anyone confirm this that may have tried it?

 

I am turning my old computer over to my wife with XP and will probably make this a dual boot machine.  After the first of the year I will put Win7 on it.

 

Again, thanks for the help.



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Posted 20 November 2013 - 06:17 PM

Yes, You need to install the oldest operating system first.

 

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Posted 21 November 2013 - 04:49 PM

Thanks Roger, I'll probably not use XP on the new build.



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Posted 23 November 2013 - 07:34 AM

Received my Corsair case about 4:30 yesterday afternoon and after going through the case info started building about 6 PM.  I had MS Office and another program installed by 11 PM.  Lucky I suppose because it went flawlessly.  A couple of pics.  

 

Basic specs:  CPU AMD FX6300, Gigabite Mobo, 1 T Seagate HD, 16 GB RAM, enForce 650 Ti graphics, double dvd-rw, card reader

 

Anyway, thanks again for your help.

 

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Posted 23 November 2013 - 12:15 PM

Hi, Probably not Critical, However............

 

Wireties. I use them wrapped through the plugs where one joins another, Such as the Ones for the Video Card Power. I gently spread the wires in the center of the plug on both and wrap the wireties through so that they can not come apart.

 

I like things neat and secure.

 

Good Luck and Enjoy the new Computer.

Thank You for the Pictures

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Posted 24 November 2013 - 06:02 AM

Yes Roger I did use many wireties prior to closing up.



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Posted 24 November 2013 - 08:06 AM

Hmmm ,just out of curiosity, why do you have 2 optical drives?


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Posted 24 November 2013 - 08:28 AM

For copying.



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Posted 24 November 2013 - 01:09 PM

Hi Killer

 

I have two optical drives too.

One is a DVD burner that I use for burning DVDs and Software installs.

The other one is a BluRay burner that I use for Backing up data to BluRay and burning self authored BluRay movies.

 

That's just the way I prefer it.

For me the Liteon DVD Burner seems to do a better job on CDs and DVDs compared to the Optimized for BluRay, Pioneer BluRay burner. I have a LG 10X BluRay burner too, It was more picky about media. I kept it as a spare since it will burn the Verbatim Media I prefer for longevity. It just hated the BluRay Optical Quantum media that I use for testing.

 

Anyway, That is my story

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Posted 24 November 2013 - 05:17 PM

Hi Killer
 
I have two optical drives too.
One is a DVD burner that I use for burning DVDs and Software installs.
The other one is a BluRay burner that I use for Backing up data to BluRay and burning self authored BluRay movies.
 
That's just the way I prefer it.
For me the Liteon DVD Burner seems to do a better job on CDs and DVDs compared to the Optimized for BluRay, Pioneer BluRay burner. I have a LG 10X BluRay burner too, It was more picky about media. I kept it as a spare since it will burn the Verbatim Media I prefer for longevity. It just hated the BluRay Optical Quantum media that I use for testing.
 
Anyway, That is my story
Roger

I rarely touch my optical drive nowdays but im contemplating whether to remove it so i can mount a 60mm radiator in the 5.25" bay.

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Posted 24 November 2013 - 06:53 PM

Hmm.... I just burned a DVD in two different computers, They were for my Brother. I converted some Video to Two DVDs in the i7 computer and a different one in this AIO computer. That is in the Last Week. It is True I use a lot less media than I used to use. However When You want to send some HD video across the country BluRay does the trick.

 

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