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#16 yabbadoo

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Posted 21 August 2013 - 12:49 PM

@ Quietman

 

As always and expected, another immaculate response from a perfect diplomat  and polymath extraordinaire. 



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Posted 21 August 2013 - 02:10 PM

please, theyve been spying on us for years. it just didnt come to light until snowden.


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Posted 21 August 2013 - 09:15 PM

@patriot And your point is?

 

NSA budget is, oh around 10 billion.  With. A. B.

 

So, how do you like those numbers? It's my hard-earned dollar going to overall lack of oversight and real "transparency" (those were Obama's words, not mine). and if my privacy is compromised? Well that is not ok at any level, big or small, now or never.

 

Good thing it has come to light. Good for Lavabit for taking a stand. That's what we do.

 

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Mind map of NSA org chart (according to author Marc Ambinder).

 

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Posted 21 August 2013 - 10:08 PM

what Im saying is, why is everyone acting so surprised-like this is all new information? and blaming it on snowden? all im saying is it wasn't snowdens fault the NSA is spying on us-theyve been spying on us long before him. common sense says if we have a government that is power hungry and seems to want control over everything we do, if it has to technology to spy on us, it will, and its had the technology for years and years-snowden just brought it to light. Is it right? no. but put blame where blame is due. And I very much doubt its going away.


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Posted 22 August 2013 - 05:25 AM

I have firmly believed that Big Brother has been watching for years,just as Pat stated so what do we do about it is my question....personally I could care less who reads my meaningless chattering in emails but as Quietman has expressed,so much is at stake for future generations and everything our forefathers worked so hard for......give me liberty or give me death!What about our telephone conversations,what about the big eye in the sky(satellite).....how do we perserve what little privacy we do still have?

                                                            It is all beyond my comprehension but if there is anything I can do as an individual besides signing the usual petitions,somebody please let me know?

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Posted 22 August 2013 - 07:39 AM

Token amount of  $.02,

 

          Even though we are losing more and more of our individual liberties, are the violators (enter government agency acronym here _ _ _) using that personal level of breached privacy  to do a better execution of governing ?   Anyone ever see the movie 1984 or read the novel?   it was a doom/gloom prophecy written in 1948 about what the future may be like as governments keep their minions subjugated in a torrid blend of fascism and socialism. Omnipresent cameras, thought crime, esoteric political structure, etc.


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Posted 22 August 2013 - 09:00 AM

When it comes to the covert acquisition of really personal and sensitive information like bank accounts, bonds, stocks and shares, financial debts and property assets, etc. then you all have something to grip you with fear. Because at that stage it is ENDGAME.



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Posted 22 August 2013 - 09:10 AM

Enter the Internal Revenue Service. That agency has been the best at snooping  individual financial records. Always has been, always will be. Wait, is that another topic?

 

 They are not nearly as intense nowadays as they were 40 or 50 years ago.


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Posted 22 August 2013 - 09:34 AM

You see, the Internal Revenue Service is another piece of the computer interlocking jigsaw. All they have to do is strain their allocation of grey matter just a little beyond the  elementary level, screw the banks and credit card people by law to divulge your personal details or otherwise obtain them, do a few key strokes to connect all this lovely data up into a Grand Slam for each person and then :-

Olé!

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A way out - If you can't beat them, join them.


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Posted 22 August 2013 - 09:44 AM

i was watching some TV show, and I remember them talking about how skirting taxes is considered sport in Europe. I am sure they have tax enforcement agencies over there that can snoop individual finances using legal provisions. Then again, here in the U.S., so many loopholes are written into the legislation that allow entities to skirt taxes also.  they just hire legal experts to interpret the ever-evolving tax code so they know exactly how  to evade. Is it like that over there?


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Posted 22 August 2013 - 09:50 AM

Speaking of the IRS in the scheme of things for Privacy and Security.

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"Under Obamacare, responsibility for verifying eligibility for the healthcare program, and monitoring whether you carry “qualifying” health coverage (and are exempt from the law’s penalties) falls principally to the IRS. The IRS was given expansive, new powers to execute these goals. That includes more authority to share your personal information — not only about your income, but also your healthcare."


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Posted 22 August 2013 - 10:05 AM

one more individual privacy compromise added to the growing list...


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Posted 22 August 2013 - 10:16 AM

@ synergy

 

Ya gotta be kiddin. The very introduction of taxes Centuries ago created a "Them and us" syndrome. It is an "If you can find it, you can have it" game of Cat and Mouse. A kind of mass population version of Tom & Jerry. Hell, it was taxes that inspired those brave American colonials to kick the British out at Boston and cause King George III to throw a tantrum.

 

Of course there are laws and horrendous inhuman punishments in the European countries for avoiding taxes, but it is not the punishments that matter to the players, it is the personal glory to be gained by taking part and winning.

 

Tax evasion is a National sport. I mean, look at Al Capone, he killed freely who he wanted out of the way, including wiping out poor old Bugsy Moran`s mob on Valentines Day, ran a huge booze and  crime Empire, but what was the only puny charge the Feds could get him on ? Tax evasion ! It`s a joke.

 



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Posted 22 August 2013 - 10:30 AM

I remember the Studio 54  Disco in New York City, i think the year was 1980. the stupid co-owner gets up on some TV talk show bragging that his income is under the radar. IRS raided his office the next day and sacked the place. I think there was a movie about Studio 54 a few years back.

 

      There was a glorious prize fighter named Joe Louis back in the 1940s maybe?  The IRS nailed him hard and he was reduced to gimmick fights after that. Albeit after he served and satisfied his  commitment in the Army during wartime

 

  So, maybe our privacy and security always has been available for government plunder. it is just now that we are in a digital age, it is an automated process for mass intrusion.


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Posted 22 August 2013 - 10:36 AM

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You're dead right. Damned computers have taken all the fun out of the game.






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