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#1 yabbadoo

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Posted 04 August 2013 - 01:51 PM

Has anybody taken the trouble to read Mein Kampf ?
It is a very lengthy book and so far I have read only some of it.
 
Disregarding the political implications of history and the Nazi regime, I am astounded by the absolute professionalism and literary expertise of the book. The literary compilation is second to none, even when comparing with the great writers of all time.
 
Mein Kampf is not exactly a biography, although it is a detailed account of Hitler`s life, but is really a manifesto or political doctrine for the Nationalsozialistische Deutsche Arbeiterpartei (or National Socialist German Worker's Party). of that time.
 
I cannot understand how a person who came from an ordinary family background,  had a difficult childhood, received no education, fought as an ordinary soldier - a Corporal in WW1, was subsequently jobless, became just a common street bum and his only claim to responsibility was to join a political party, could possibly write such a volumetric book of superb literary quality.
 
Surely he MUST have had professional help to write such a literary masterpiece. It sounds like a team effort of professionals helped Hitler to compile his masterpiece on behalf of the Party whilst in Landsberg am Lech, Fortress Prison in 1924, otherwise this guy could never have written such a literary masterpiece in such short time.
              
Mein Kampf has sold  80 - 90 Million copies since initial publication in 1925. Currently it is highly popular in Turkey, India, some Middle Eastern countries and even Russia.
 
How could such an uneducated person with no professional experience, a mere street bum write an extensive book, second to none in literary brilliance ? 
 


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Posted 04 August 2013 - 02:19 PM

How could such an uneducated person with no professional experience, a mere street bum write an extensive book, second to none in literary brilliance ?

Having read the original, I have to strongly disagree. Maybe some of the translators actually made it better, but his German writing style is average at best and it is still unclear whether he actually wrote it (theories ranging from him dictating the book to Rudolf Hess, to Rudolf Hess writing the book, to Hitler writing it himself without any involvement of Hess at all). Go and read Musil, Brecht, or Mann if you want to read something of literary brilliance from that time.
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Posted 04 August 2013 - 02:56 PM

 

How could such an uneducated person with no professional experience, a mere street bum write an extensive book, second to none in literary brilliance ?

Having read the original, I have to strongly disagree. Maybe some of the translators actually made it better, but his German writing style is average at best and it is still unclear whether he actually wrote it (theories ranging from him dictating the book to Rudolf Hess, to Rudolf Hess writing the book, to Hitler writing it himself without any involvement of Hess at all). Go and read Musil, Brecht, or Mann if you want to read something of literary brilliance from that time.

 

I understand your point, but Musil, Brecht and Mann were insignificant participants at the time, Adolf Hitler although not in their literary class, made history. He conquered all of Europe, North Africa and most of Eastern Russia up to the very gates of Moscow.

 

I reckon your point about Rudolf Hess writing Mein Kampf in collaboration with Hitler`s garbled dictation is correct. Rudolf Hess at least had a University of Munich education in History and Economics. He could and probably did write it and was made Deputy Fuhrer in return.


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Posted 04 August 2013 - 05:08 PM

I have no interest in reading such a book.


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Posted 04 August 2013 - 05:46 PM

I have no interest in reading such a book.

The point I was making Patriot is the literary quality and size of this book, NOT the subject matter.

 

The issue is one of being puzzled how such a street bum could write such a brilliant and detailed piece of literature, NOT to inspire interest. It is an educational challenge to intelligence, interest does not enter into the arena..


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Posted 04 August 2013 - 06:05 PM

Sorry yabbadoo, I read it years ago and found to be one of the most rambling pieces of nonsense that ever crossed my eyes. If you want to read a masterpiece check out War and Peace by Leo Tolstoy.


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Posted 04 August 2013 - 07:10 PM

Sorry yabbadoo, I read it years ago and found to be one of the most rambling pieces of nonsense that ever crossed my eyes. If you want to read a masterpiece check out War and Peace by Leo Tolstoy.

Point taken, but I am too old to read War & Peace by Tolstoy. If you are over 25 years old, you haven't got enough life left.



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Posted 06 August 2013 - 10:53 PM

last I checked, theres no age requirement on reading. Just saying. That misplaced idea might be why you enjoy reading books written by looney dictators. :P


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Posted 07 August 2013 - 06:03 AM

last I checked, theres no age requirement on reading. Just saying. That misplaced idea might be why you enjoy reading books written by looney dictators. :P

My reference to being too old to read War & Peace was of course a joke, but it obviously fell on stony ground and remarkably taken seriously.

 

Your assumption that I enjoy reading books written by your expression of "looney" dictators is an amazing lack of judgement and interpretation.

 

Education, knowledge and the broadening of the mind, means that you survey ALL sources of information and references, NOT just those spoken or published which suit your own restricted  parameters and considered "nice".

 

In any case, you simply cannot call a person "looney" who conquered all of Europe, most of Eastern Russia up to the very gates of Moscow and fought a tough war on 3 fronts. And I may add, Russia won WW2 not the Allies. Two thirds of the German armed forces were deployed on the Eastern Front. If Hitler had not attacked Russia, the Third Reich would still occupy all of Europe even today.

 

I find your comment unfair in terms of the independent and intelligent  study of ALL information, good and bad. You will  find that any University course in History does not concentrate on what is  considered "good", the  course covers ALL history, good and bad. That is called a comprehensive subject study. 

 

Unlike Hollywood, the good guy does not always win.



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Posted 07 August 2013 - 06:28 AM

Way to fail spotting a joke yourself there....

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Posted 07 August 2013 - 06:59 AM

Way to fail spotting a joke yourself there....

That was no joke, it was personal.

 

We are not here to discuss politics or engage in character assassination, we are here to discuss how such an uneducated person with nothing more than a street bum background could have written such an impressive, complex and voluminous book. To sell 80-90 Million copies must mean SOMEBODY is as balmy as I am supposed to be.

 

It has already been suggested with a high degree of probability that Rudolf Hess wrote Mein Kampf almost certainly with even more help from Party professionals, from Hitler`s rambling dictation. Bear in mind that Hitler only spent 9 months in prison, so the time for writing such a large and complex book is suspiciously short.

 

And as for calling it a rambling nonsense, try reading the biographies of other distinguished personalities - Winston Churchill for instance would bore you out of your skull. I believe there are 8 volumes of it.



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Posted 07 August 2013 - 07:30 AM

Hi,

well to me the book is neither impressive nor complex. I have not read it entirely, but what I've read is incoherent and contradicting itself in parts; the overall language level is rather low. I wouldn't call it a literary compilation. Not more than the I would calle the twilight books or 50 shades of grey literature, which both have sold more times than Mein Kampf.
In addition, Hitler is not as uneducated as you may believe. He did finish the Realschule and went on to become an artist. He always saw himself as a painter or author, an intellecutal and read a lot. Unfortunately he wasn't really talented as a painter, or we might've been spared WW2. He also was decorated several times during his time as a soldier in WW1.

BTW what is your signature supposed to mean?

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Posted 07 August 2013 - 07:47 AM

BTW what is your signature supposed to mean?

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Hello Myrti.

 

No harm meant in all this opposing gibberish. Just one point of view against another. We must`not get upset about it, no need to so long as we maintain an intelligent script and an independent mind.

 

My signature ? Quite innocent really, not any pro-Nazi slogan. In German, because I have always taken an interest in the beautiful German language.and greatly admire the German people and their lovely country. It is simply :-

 

"Who laughs last laughs longest"

 

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Posted 07 August 2013 - 07:52 AM

Hi,

no worries, I knew it wasn't anything Nazi-related. I was just curious about the sentence structure.

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Posted 07 August 2013 - 09:04 PM

 

last I checked, theres no age requirement on reading. Just saying. That misplaced idea might be why you enjoy reading books written by looney dictators. :P

My reference to being too old to read War & Peace was of course a joke, but it obviously fell on stony ground and remarkably taken seriously.

 

Your assumption that I enjoy reading books written by your expression of "looney" dictators is an amazing lack of judgement and interpretation.

 

Education, knowledge and the broadening of the mind, means that you survey ALL sources of information and references, NOT just those spoken or published which suit your own restricted  parameters and considered "nice".

 

In any case, you simply cannot call a person "looney" who conquered all of Europe, most of Eastern Russia up to the very gates of Moscow and fought a tough war on 3 fronts. And I may add, Russia won WW2 not the Allies. Two thirds of the German armed forces were deployed on the Eastern Front. If Hitler had not attacked Russia, the Third Reich would still occupy all of Europe even today.

 

I find your comment unfair in terms of the independent and intelligent  study of ALL information, good and bad. You will  find that any University course in History does not concentrate on what is  considered "good", the  course covers ALL history, good and bad. That is called a comprehensive subject study. 

 

Unlike Hollywood, the good guy does not always win.

 

 

actually, it was a joke. sorry if you took it wrong. Except for the looney part-Hitler was extremely looney-and he made several tactical errors because of it. and you should actually do a little more historical research. Russian didn't beat Hitler, Russia, was just one of Hitlers mistakes. Hitler, made the mistake of fighting a war on to many fronts-if he had just gone after england and kept his treaty with russia, or left england alone, and gone after russia, he probably would have been fine. In fact, it wasn't even the russian military that stopped hitler-it was the russian winter. Hitler creamed russias military hands down, until winter hit-and germanys vehicles and troops were not prepared for the cold weather. Having a superior tank, does one no good when you cant start it because all the diesal fuel gelled up the night before, and the crews half froze to death anyway. The russians, were not able to turn the german advance until winter hit-Russia had had a longer summer, moscow would have fallen.

 

What beat Hitler, was not just russia, it was a combination of all the allies fighting hitler at the same time and wearing him down, combined with several severe tactical errors that he made-against his own generals advice. Hitler was a power hungry loon-who started out good, with superior technology and tactics then everyone else. In the beginning his blitzkrieg was amazing-but his military was focused entirely around a fast moving assault, and it wasn't designed around long scale warfare, and when he was stopped at britain and stalingrad, he refused to adapt his military around long scale warfare. Just one example of this blunder, was lack to ever create a 4 engine bomber. A 4 engine bomber, would have allowed nazi forces to bomb both russia and britain to the ground without losing any forces, as neither britain or russia had any fighters capable of reaching the altitudes a 4 engine bomber could. It could have very easily of turned the tide. Instead, all they had were single and 2 engine bombers-which are great for a fast moving invasion, but not for a drawn out assault against another world power.

 

Another major blunder, was failure to fully utilize the V-2 rocket. amazing technology, did a lot of damage, but hitler did not fully utilize or develop it.

 

Yet another, was their jet fighter. And by jet fighter, it didnt come into play until later in the war-and Hitler didn't want it to be a fighter, he wanted it to be a bomber, and at the stage of the war when it was being developed, the tide was beginning to turn, and germany was starting to go on the defensive-they didnt need a bomber at that point, they needed a fighter capable of turning back the american bombers so that they could mount a counter defensive. But instead of developing it as a fighter, they focused on the bomber-and by the time they finally started fully developing the figher, it was a day late and a dollar short. Sure, they had them-but not in the numbers they needed.

 

It was one blunder after another. Sure, Hitler made a strong start-but it went downhill from there. Even several of his closest generals said towards the end he was mentally unstable.


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