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HDD or CPU failing/failed - Safe mode only.


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#1 noknojon

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Posted 08 April 2013 - 05:07 PM

Hi -

I have been running this XP in Safe Mode with Networking for a month or most likely 3 now, since this is the only way it can operate with any logic -

Yesterday, for some totally unknown reason it started in Normal Mode, so I was able to run a few diagnostics that will not run in Safe Mode. This included Speccy that will not run in Safe Mode.

I have posted it here and highlighted the SMART area as it is either the HDD or the CPU that seems to cause the problems mainly. If anyone would care to review it, I have left it below, and will wait for your ideas -

 

The computer is always cleaned, and was Malware free, since I could run scans in Normal Mode for a change I updated MBAM and SAS as well as MSE for the first real scans in months -

 

http://speccy.piriform.com/results/1kuuxJJZbDNho2MSu3yZuMH


S.M.A.R.T
 01 Read Error Rate 200 (200 worst) Data 0000000000
 03 Spin-Up Time 140 (136) Data 0000000F97
 04 Start/Stop Count 099 (099) Data 0000000786
 05 Reallocated Sectors Count 200 (200) Data 0000000000
 07 Seek Error Rate 200 (200) Data 0000000000
 09 Power-On Hours (POH) 084 (084) Data 0000002DD8
 0A Spin Retry Count 100 (100) Data 0000000000
 0B Recalibration Retries 100 (100) Data 0000000000
 0C Device Power Cycle Count 099 (099) Data 0000000779
 C0 Power-off Retract Count 200 (200) Data 0000000092
 C1 Load/Unload Cycle Count 200 (200) Data 00000006F3
 C2 Temperature 117 (093) Data 000000001A
 C4 Reallocation Event Count 200 (200) Data 0000000000
 C5 Current Pending Sector Count 200 (200) Data 0000000000
 C6 Uncorrectable Sector Count 200 (200) Data 0000000000
 C7 UltraDMA CRC Error Count 200 (200) Data 0000000000
 C8 Write Error Rate / Multi-Zone Error Rate 200 (200) Data 0000000000
 Temperature 29 °C

 

Below was the last scan I had about 6 months earlier -

 http://speccy.piriform.com/results/ON3BfqEcPmbMiIIejkcQpwk
 

Thanks to any that care to review this -



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Posted 09 April 2013 - 06:57 AM

Hard drive looks fine.  No bad sectors or reallocations.

 

Still booting normally?


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Posted 09 April 2013 - 07:11 AM

The computer has only ever booted to Normal Mode about once in a month -

 

I must exist on Safe Mode only. Otherwise I have no response (dead computer) in Normal Mode.

 

There must be major problems for this to occur on every startup over months -

 

Any ideas except for the badly overheated CPU ??

 

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Posted 09 April 2013 - 07:38 PM

Does it start in VGA mode? 

 

Just don't see any indication of a CPU overheating. 

 

EDIT:  Anyone feel free to chime in.  I will be out for a few hours.


Edited by dpunisher, 09 April 2013 - 07:40 PM.

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Posted 09 April 2013 - 08:18 PM

Thanks for your input as it is hard to diagnose over the internet -

 

Referring to the CPU, I was talking of these 2 readings taken from earlier, when I stored a snapshot and today -

Current CPU readings from Speccy -
CPU Intel Core 2 Duo E6600 @ 2.40GHz: 71 ° CConroe 65nm Technology
From 5 or 6 months ago -
CPU Intel Core 2 Duo E6600 @ 2.40GHz: 27 ° CConroe 65nm Technology

 

They just seem to not be correct for the same computer ? This is why I left an old Speccy and a current one.

 

On start up I can only get to the XP screen, and 1 or 2 runs of the loading bars running across then nothing ....

The computer will just sit there and look at me and say "What do you want to do now" :mellow:

In Safe Mode it will always start, as I am on it now, and use it most days like this -



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Posted 09 April 2013 - 08:59 PM

TJ max is 80-85C on that CPU.  Seems more like a corrupted OS.  Tried a repair install?


Edited by dpunisher, 09 April 2013 - 08:59 PM.

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Posted 09 April 2013 - 11:17 PM

Sorry -

No XP  CDs

Plus in Safe Mode the 2 CD / DVD drives are refusing to work - USB drives work, but cannot access I386 files

 

I am left with the CD / DVD unit on my Win7 only -


Edited by noknojon, 09 April 2013 - 11:23 PM.


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Posted 10 April 2013 - 02:01 AM

Have you tried mounting the heatsink and reapplying thermal paste for the CPU? The reading for voltage on speccy show :

Voltage
 

CPU CORE: 
1.168 V
MEMORY CONTROLLER: 
1.832 V
+3.3V: 3.312 V
+5V: 4.944 V
+12V: 0.056 V
See or confirm this reading by your BIOS utility menu or using another 3rd party monitoring software. Maybe needs a BIOS upgrade also to correct certain bugs http://www.asus.com/Motherboards/P5B/#support_Download_17

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Posted 10 April 2013 - 02:37 AM

Thanks mate -

That was one item we seem to have missed so far -

 

EDIT -

Compared to my Win7 =

CPU CORE:
1.056 V
MEMORY CONTROLLER:
1.840 V
+3.3V: 3.312 V
+5V: 4.968 V
+12V: 0.112 V


EDIT 2 -

The internet just went out, so I will try it ASAP -


Edited by noknojon, 10 April 2013 - 02:45 AM.


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Posted 11 April 2013 - 12:34 AM

I entered the BIOS of the XP and found the voltage readings there - It seems that Speccy misread them a bit.

 

CPU CORE: 
1..120 to 1.36 V
 
+3.3V: 3.312 V
+5V: 5.068 V
+12V: 12.038 V
 


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Posted 11 April 2013 - 12:45 AM

There are only 2 things left to take as its either mounting and reapplying a thermal paste on the CPU and updating the BIOS version since reinstalling is still out of the equation at this point.

since this is the only way it can operate with

I'm wondering by what does this mean?


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Posted 11 April 2013 - 06:33 AM

>>> mounting and reapplying a thermal paste on the CPU <<< This was done on the last cleaning, about 2 months ago -

 

 

>> I'm wondering by what does this mean? << (it means) The computer will not operate in any other method ...........

If I start in any other mode, the XP screen will not even fully load. It stops after 1 or 2 scrolls and freezes dead -

 

Do you think I would be able to apply the BIOS update in safe mode if I use a USB stick to transfer it ??

Internet will not work on that computer now, but I am trying another PSU in the next few days -

 

Installing files via USB has not improved anything yet, and I do not think it will get much better unless I start to install new components -



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Posted 11 April 2013 - 08:00 PM

@ jhayz -

I have internet re-enabled (but not I.E.) so I tracked your link to ..........

Your link leads to a vague ASUS site and no directions for the download I need -

 

Thank You -

EDIT - There is a PSU that I can try on the weekend, if you think it may help -


Edited by noknojon, 12 April 2013 - 04:03 AM.


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Posted 12 April 2013 - 10:45 AM

BIOS version 2104 after selecting OS - Win XP. http://www.ehow.com/how_6898763_update-bios-asus-p5b.html

It can be use as a last resort if the thermal paste reapply and PSU swap did not worked.


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Posted 13 April 2013 - 05:39 PM

I have attempted all of the items, PSU, Re-pasted CPU, updating BIOS, that I think was already done -

 

Problems seem worse now, so I may need to junk the computer and get  a new box - :smash:






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