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#1 Replacement

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Posted 26 February 2013 - 11:22 AM

I have tried to get her to change her computer habits and it is not
going to happen so I want to upgrade her computer so it can handle how
she uses it. The issue is that it is not uncommon for her to have 100+
tabs in chrome open along with 25 outlook emails. This has been
slowing down her computer to the point where she has to wait for the
computer to catch up and causes a lot of wasted time. I have told her
to not have as many open, but she is not going to change.



She is always multi-tasking and I hope I can salvage what she has and make some upgrades to be able to keep up with her.



Her brother built this computer about 3 years ago. It has W7 32-bit
with 4gb of RAM. The Motherboard is a Biostar A760G M2+, The processor
is a AMD AMD Athlon™ II X4 630 Processor, 2800 Mhz, 4 Core(s), 4
Logical Processor(s).



I was thinking that I could install W7 64-bit on a 128gb SSD and install 8gb of RAM.

I have the W7 32-bit disk and someone told me that I might be able to
use the same key and disk and get W7 64-bit out of it. Is that true or
do I have to get a new copy of W7 64-bit? The disk says "Licensed for
distribution only with a new PC".

I would have to get a SSD to put the OS on.

I would also have to buy 8gb of RAM as well.



Does this seem like it will speed up her computer to be able to keep up with her?



Any suggestions on what else I can do without spending $500 + on this
upgrade? Please keep in mind that usage habits are very unlikely to
change. I would like to stay under $350 if possible.

Any suggestions on specific hardware?



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Posted 26 February 2013 - 12:38 PM

I was thinking that I could install W7 64-bit on a 128gb SSD and install 8gb of RAM.

I have the W7 32-bit disk and someone told me that I might be able to
use the same key and disk and get W7 64-bit out of it. Is that true or
do I have to get a new copy of W7 64-bit? The disk says "Licensed for
distribution only with a new PC".

 

This is a very good idea.  Only change I would make is going with a 256gig SSD as they are regularly under $175 now if you look around.  You should easily be able to go with a 256gig SSD and 8 gigs of fast RAM for under $240......if you shop a bit.

 

WIN7 64.....You will need a 64 bit install disk.  The ISOs are out there.  Your current key will work with both 32 and 64 bit installs.

 

Crucial M4 and the Samsung 840 seem to be the SSD value leaders, although if given a choice, I would try to find a Samsung 830 sitting on someone's shelf.  840 is a good value drive, but still not too sure on MLC NAND yet.  If you budget a bit more, you might find a Samsung 840 PRO, but those don't go on special very often, but they are soooo quick.
 

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Posted 26 February 2013 - 12:53 PM

I totally Agree with dpunisher

 

256Gb SSD at least. I would try it with the 4Gb of memory first. That may well be enough. Leaving Virtual memory on the SSD will also be a help as it is so much faster than a 7200 RPM Drive

 

Here is what may last Generation Intel SSD shows for speed.

Intel® SSD 320 Series
(300GB, 2.5in SATA 3Gb/s, 25nm, MLC)

 

 

The newer ones as SATA6 should benchmark better.

Part of what makes a SSD better is the access time as well as a relatively flat transfer rate across the entire drive.

Plus they never need a defragmentation.

 

For contrast my 1Tb Seagate 7200 drive shows a access time of 14ms versus the SSDs time of 0.1ms

Average transfer speed of 99.3Mb/sec. versus 209.3Mb/sec.

 

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Posted 26 February 2013 - 03:37 PM

You may get away with 4GB of ram but do note Chrome uses a lot of memory when there are many tabs open.

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Posted 26 February 2013 - 06:33 PM

Her surfing habits are similar to mine, in addition to 64 bit  Windows, she needs a new AM3+ Motherboard, a minimum of 8gb 1600mhz ddr3 RAM( I recommend 16gb cos win7 uses all the ram it can get) and an ssd 120-128gb  minimum for starters

If all that doesn't help upgrade the cpu 



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Posted 26 February 2013 - 11:44 PM

Getting a new motherboard won't really help to improve performance.

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Posted 27 February 2013 - 08:39 AM

I agree on upgrading the RAM, which is the bottleneck when it comes to opening multiple browser tabs, and generally, multiple instances of applications.  

 

When your wife is doing her thing on her computer, ask her for a quick timeout and take a look at the Windows Task Manager (right-click on the Windows Taskbar, select Task manager, click on the Processes tab).  You will see a lot of "chrome.exe" image name instances, each taking a considerable chunk of memory.


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Posted 27 February 2013 - 12:24 PM

Getting a new motherboard won't really help to improve performance.

Then how does he get the 8-16gb 1600mhz ram?



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Posted 27 February 2013 - 03:14 PM

The motherboard can already support up to a maximum of 8GB of ram which is plenty and at 1600mhz is unnecessary. 


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Posted 27 February 2013 - 04:15 PM

The motherboard can already support up to a maximum of 8GB of ram which is plenty and at 1600mhz is unnecessary. 

So why are you using it then, as per your sig?

I am currently using 10.2gb of 16gb installed.

I recently added 4gb, when I had 12gb win 7 was using 11gb+ Now I have 16 its using up to 13gb+ and IIRC even 15gb at one time

OP is using an AM2 mobo, good luck finding 8gb of 1333mhz at a decent price



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Posted 27 February 2013 - 11:45 PM

At the time of building my system, the price difference between 1333 and 1600 was virtually identical. The OP is really only opening outlook and chrome, 8GB is sufficient. DDR2 1333 ram does not exist...
 


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Posted 28 February 2013 - 12:00 AM

I dont know if a motherboard upgrade is necessary either, at least not from a processeor standpoint, the performance difference between a AM2+ and a AM3+ won't give you enough of a boost to notice when multi tasking, especially not with a athlon quad core, unless you want more then 8 gigs of ram. there is however, a problem when upgrading the ram, Problem is, ops current motherboard according to newegg doesnt support DDR3, it only supports DDR2 800/1066, and the motherboard only has 2 memory slots, and 4 gig sticks of DDR2 were virtually impossible to find when DDR2 was new, now its next to impossible. If you want 8 gigs of ram, you may have to upgrade the motherboard to one that either has 4 memory slots or supports DDR3. And when going with DDR3, while killer is correct with most applications theres not a huge difference between 1333 and 1600 mhz ram-with the amount of multi-tasking the ops wife is using, you may very well notice the difference, and go with the 1600 ram if not 1833 mhz (if op decides to upgrade motherboard)

 

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Posted 28 February 2013 - 12:58 AM

I dont know if a motherboard upgrade is necessary either, at least not from a processeor standpoint, the performance difference between a AM2+ and a AM3+ won't give you enough of a boost to notice when multi tasking, especially not with a athlon quad core, unless you want more then 8 gigs of ram. there is however, a problem when upgrading the ram, Problem is, ops current motherboard according to newegg doesnt support DDR3, it only supports DDR2 800/1066, and the motherboard only has 2 memory slots, and 4gig sticks of DDR2 were virtually impossible to find when DDR2 was new, now its next to impossible.If you want 8 gigs of ram, you may have to upgrade the motherboard to one that either has 4 memory slots or supports DDR3. And when going with DDR3, while killer is correct with most applications theres not a huge difference between 1333 and 1600 mhz ram-with the amount of multi-tasking the ops wife is using, you may very well notice the difference, and go with the 1600 ram if not 1833 mhz (if op decides to upgrade motherboard)

 

Just my .02 cents.

 

Exactly why I just recommended a new mobo from the get go.

ddr2 is 2 generations old AM2, AM3,and the current standard Am3+

At the moment even Am3 is being phased out so why stick with AM2? 

So killer you want the Op to get 8gb of 1066mhz... really?



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Posted 28 February 2013 - 01:15 AM

not really any need for sarcasm diggi, And theres nothing wrong with 1066mhz ram-for DDR2, thats the best that board can support (they did make 1200 mhz ram for DDR2, but is hard to find) and if you were to stay with that board, that would be my recomendation is finding 8 gigs of 1066 mhz, its the best the board supports. Problem is, like I already mentioned, its virtually impossible to find-realistically, that board is limited to four gigs of ram. If you want more, vista does have that cool feature that allows you to use a USB thumb drive or SD card to give you extra ram.  All yyou have to do is plug in a empty flash drive, go to my computer, right click on the flash drive, click properties, and choose the tab that says readyboost. you can choose how much of the drive to use. However, this ram will only perform at maybe DDR speeds, it may help with multi-tasking however, until such a time as you can find a new board that supports new ram.


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Posted 28 February 2013 - 01:29 AM

@OP, i mentioned before that you may get away with 4GB ram, can you please have a look at the memory usage in Task Manager when all those tabs and outlook is opened? :)


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