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Need EXPERT Help on MAXIMIZING My HP dc7800 SFF PC


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#1 Phabeon

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Posted 21 February 2013 - 07:56 PM

KnuckKkaz is broke so I have come to the realization that I will NOT be getting a new PC anytime soon.. So I'ma have to do with what I got now...  LUCKILY these were all FREE.. I have ans HP dc7800 gathering dust in the corner of  my room along with 2 17" skinny monitors.. 

 

 

HOW CAN I GET THE MOST OUTTA THIS COMPUTER  ??? 

 

Computer:    HP dc7800 Small Form Factor 

 http://h10010.www1.hp.com/wwpc/ca/en/sm/WF06a/12454-12454-64287-3328898-3328898-3459241.html?dnr=1

 

 

 

Here is what I want in order of WANT/NEED:

 

1. Be able to RUN dual monitor setup

2. Be able to comfortable run Adobe CS3 products or HIGHER if possible, CS4, CS5, CS6.

3. Run Autodesk Maya 2008

4. Play Computer games? 

 

 

What ALL can I do to make this the most UPDGRADEABLE possible? 

 

Please let me know what you all think and your recommendations...

 

ReALLY, REALLY Appreciate it!

 

 

oNe

 

 

 

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1. Monitor (sold separately)

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HP Standard Keyboard (PS/2 or USB) or HP USB Smartcard Keyboard 2. Rear I/O: (6) USB 2.0, (1) standard serial port, (1) optional serial port, (1) parallel port, (2) PS/2, (1) RJ-45, (1) VGA, (1) audio in, (1) audio out 7. (1) 3.5" external bay for optional HP 16-in-1 Media Card Reader, diskette drive, or other 3.5" device 3. (1) low profile PCI slot, (2) low profile PCI Express x1 slot, (1) low profile PCI Express x16 (ADD2/SDVO) slot; (2) full-height PCI slots optional (require PCI riser card)* 8. (1) 5.25" external bay for optional optical drive, or other 5.25" device (bay tilts up for device removal and insertion) 9. (1) 3.5" internal bay 4. Front I/O: (2) USB 2.0, headphone and microphone 10. 240-watt or 240-watt 80 PLUS® power supply, 80% efficient, Active Power Factor Correction (PFC) 5. 2-Button Optical Scroll Mouse (PS/2 or USB)
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Fast facts HP product rating Performance 46x16_blue_03.gif Expandability 46x16_blue_03.gif Operating system installed Genuine Windows Vista® Business 32-bit, 
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FreeDOS Processor Intel® Celeron® Processor 420 (1.60 GHz, 512 KB L2 cache, 800 MHz FSB) or Intel® Pentium® Dual Core E2160 / E2180 / E2200 / E5200 (1.80 to 2.50 GHz, 1 to 2 MB L2 cache, 800 MHz FSB) or Intel® Core™2 Duo Processor E4500 / E4600 / E6550 / E6750 / E6850 / E7200 / E7300 / E8200 / E8300 / E8400 / E8500 (2.20 to 3.16 GHz, 2 to 6 MB L2 cache, 800 to 1333 MHz FSB) or Intel® Core™2 Quad Q6600 / Q6700 / Q9300 (2.40 to 2.66 GHz, 2 to 8 MB L2 cache, 1066 to 1333 MHz FSB) Cache 512 KB, 1, 2, 3, 4, 6 or 8 MB L2 cache Processor front side bus 800, 1066 or 1333 MHz Front Side Bus Chipset Intel® Q35 Express Memory slots 4 DIMM Memory Upgrade Expandable to 8 GB through four industry-standard DIMM slots Maximum memory 8 GB DDR2-Synch DRAM Internal drives Internal hard disk drive 80, 160 or 250 GB SATA 3.0GB/s 7200rpm with NCQ; optional dual drive RAID Hard disk drive speed 7200 rpm Hard disk controller SATA 3.0Gb/s Internal drive bays 1 internal 3.5 inch External drive bays 1 external 5.25 inch, 1 external 3.5 inch Optical drives SATA DVD-ROM Drive, SATA SuperMulti LightScribe DVD Writer Drive Flexible disk drive Optional 1.44 MB Diskette Drive System features Chassis Type Small Form Factor Graphic Subsystem Name Intel® Graphics Media Accelerator 3100 Video adapter, bus PCI Express™ x16 Video adpater driver Microsoft® Windows® XP Home, Microsoft® Windows® 2000 and Microsoft® Windows® Vista® Enterprise Video adapter features 3D/2D Controller: support is fully compliant with Microsoft® standard API such as Microsoft DirectX®9, DirectXVA®, VMR9, GDI/GDI+; OpenGL® 1.4.; Integrated VGA Controller; integrated 400 MHz RAMDAC; 400 MHz Controller Clock Speed; Overlay Planes: Single overlay support with 5x3 filtering; Maximum Color Depth: 32 bits/pixel; Multi-display Support: 2 displays can be supported via the motherboard's VGA connectors and DVI ADD2 card Graphic Subsystem Video Card Memory Graphics memory is shared with system memory. 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Posted 22 February 2013 - 08:50 AM

That SKU has a number of CPU's available, which one do you have?  Do you have a graphics card already installed in the PCI-E X16 slot?  According to the site above, it says it has a power draw of 240W, which means you probably have a fairly low capacity power supply.  What is the wattage of your PSU?  The small form factor will limit you in terms of what you can get.


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Posted 22 February 2013 - 03:00 PM

Ok, I will look into it when I get home..

 

Besides the the power supply anything else/info needed to help me MAXIMIZE this pc?? 



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Posted 22 February 2013 - 04:19 PM

that PC, if its stock, has no capability for dual monitor support, unless you have a splitter, but then you can only mirror (both monitors will display the exact same image) You can upgrade the ram up to 8 gigs total, perhaps a CPU upgrade, though that old finding new CPUs is likely to be expensive, and may not be worth it depending on what actual CPU you have. To upgrade the video card, like DJ said you will likely have to upgrade your PSU. Are you able to spend any money on this  machine, and if so, what is your budget?


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Posted 06 March 2013 - 03:09 PM

Patriot11, we meet again... hehe

 

K, so I get that maximizing these PC's is probably not feasible.. 

 

So I'm probably going to have to change my goals..

 

These are Intel Core Duo CPU's

E6550@2.33Ghz x2

980mb of RAM

 

Not sure what the E6550, 2.33Ghz really is..  any good? 

Also it looks like I have about 1gb of RAM right?  <-- haha thats awesome, I have never used a PC with that much on it!! 

 

 

1. How do I verify my PSU rating? i.e. is it 240 or 750watts   ??

 

2. The graphics card is the embedded one, so I need to replace that with a LOW PROFILE graphics card..

     What is the best LOW PROFILE card you recommend?  It would be great if it could be play games such as Farcry 3 or Crysis 1/2, but ULTIMATELY i just need it so that I can connect my 2 DVI monitors to it... i.e. DUAL monitors..  also if it ran Adobe CS3 suite that would be extra butter!!

 

3. What is the latest and greatest Operating System I can throw in this mug?  Would love Windows 7 but Ubuntu if I must..

 

4. How do I know which memory goes in this?  the above just says 4 DIMM slots.. and that it supports up to 8GB of RAM but what kind/type?  Brands to get?

 

 

I don't really have  budget, but ALSO would rather NOT throw too much $$ into this as it seems to be an OLDER computer by today's standards.. 

 

Ultimately the goal would be in order of IMPORTANCE:

 

1. run DUAL MONITORs, 

2. run Autodesk Maya 2008

3. Run Adobe Master Suite CS3 

4. Overall just to run pre Vista sofware, I'm talking XP era software versions, i.e.  Flash CS3, Illustrator CS3, Maya/3DS 2008, ect, ect..  see #2 and #3 above  :]

5. SLIGHT web browsing... 

 

Please let me know..

 

 

oNe



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Posted 06 March 2013 - 09:31 PM

as far as the CPU, 2.33 ghz core2duo, it depends on what your definition of bad. By modern comparisons, its old and antiquated-almost dinosaur era (almost) However, if you dont do stuff like gaming or heavy auto-Cad, its not a bad CPU at all, should perform fine. 1 gig isnt much either, even when that CPU was current, 1 gig was considered to be more minimum-with 2-4 being preferable.

 

As for running dual monitors, least with technology that old, you will need a dedicated graphics card. Theres no way around that, however if you watch neweggs shell shockers you can often find a low budget video card for around $20 that will run dual monitors just fine.

 

As far as the PSU you will have to take the panel off the computer and actually look at the PSU unit, there should be a sticker on the side that lists the total wattage as well as the amperage on the individual rails.


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Media Center: Motherboard: Gigabyte mp61p-S3, Processor: AMD Athlon 64 x2 6000+, Memory: 6 gigs Patriot DDR2 800, Video: Gigabyte GeForce GT730, Storage: 500 gig Hitachi, PSU: Seasonic M1211 620W full modular, OS: Windows 10.

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Posted 27 March 2013 - 06:02 PM

k, so I have been reasearching the crap outta this..

 

I will try to get another gig of RAM but I am on a 32bit win xp SP2.so regardless I would max out at 2gb's..

 

I opened up the case, Power Supply:

   240watts MAX

   +12.0v = 7.5a

   - 12.0v = 0.15a

 

 


 


 

if you watch neweggs shell shockers you can often find a low budget video card for around $20 that will run dual monitors just fine.
 
THIS!!
 
I have been looking and looking.. and have NOT seen anything for $20...   but hey I would be willing to pay up to $50 man!! 
 
ideas and suggestions on whats the best card? 
 
not quite sure what to look for...    64bit v/s 128bit  and 512mb v/s 2gb?    This graphics card stuff is confusing..
 
 
v/s 
 
 
but hey, since really DUAL MONITORs is what i'm looking for a $20 card would be good to..
 
problem is, it has to be a LOW PROFILE CARD..
 
your suggestions as always are VERY WELCOME!!
 
oNe


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Posted 27 March 2013 - 08:24 PM

the shell shocker deals change daily. its often a matter of patience, you have to check them every day, I see usually at least one low profile card pop up on them a week, sometimes two. If all your after, is running two monitors at a decent res, then you shouldnt need anything to high end-and with low profile your not going to get to powerful anyway. Your probably going to want to upgrade to a 350-400 watt PSU, though im not sure if your case uses a standard PSU, Im thinking from looking at pictures, that your going to need something like this But its hard to tell from that case, it might be a HP custom setup, and you might be out of luck.

 

As for memory, a 32 bit OS can typically recognize between 3.25 and 3.75 gig, depending on the video setup, how the OS is setup, etc. If your board has 3 or more memory slots, another gig would probably give you a max of 3 gig, which would give you a decent performance gain, if its only got 2 slots, replacing the 2 1 gig modules with a 2 x 2 setup will give you another gig or so of ram, but the downside is you paid for most likely, 3/4s of a gig that you will never use. Just food for thought.

 

For video card, in nearly every case, the higher the numbers-the better the card. 128 bit memory bandwidth is better then 64 bit, a 2 gigs of onboard memory on the card will outperform 512 mb, etc. If your planning on running both monitors on high res, your probably going to want a card with at least a gig of onboard, 512 will do the job, but I would go with 1+ gig if it were me.


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Posted 29 March 2013 - 07:01 PM

Thanks for the info on graphics cards..very helpful!

so were these pc's just not meant to run dual monitors or what?

I did not think it would be this difficult to get dual monitors going on this.

PROBLEM is, funds are limited(aren't they always?) but really tho is like if I spend $100 on this for agraphics card and a power supply,it takes away from my dream build fund, thats a $100 less from a DREAM build I was hoping for, ya feel me?

I was told either of these should work for me:
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814125431

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814102960


HOWEVER both of these cards per the newegg spec's, require a 400watt power supply..
per Neweggs site:

System Requirements: Minimum of a 400 Watt power supply.

Am I missing something?

At this point I am ready to throw all my wants out and settle on just having a card that runs dual monitors regardless of anything else..

URL for these shell shock deals, I will have to watch them on a daily basis.

THANKS!

oNe

Edited by Phabeon, 29 March 2013 - 07:02 PM.


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Posted 29 March 2013 - 10:56 PM

to your first question, correct most OEM computers including that one, was not designed for dual monitor support, as the average consumer does not use dual monitors. As far as those video cards, either will work, as long as your not planning on doing any serious gaming, both are good cards, I would use the gigabyte one simply because its cheaper.

 

As far as power supplies, yes like I said in my previous posts, most modern video cards require a 350-400+ watt PSU. If you look at my previous post you will see I linked a PSU which I believe (though hard to be certain I can't find the actual tech specs on the case your computer uses) will work with your system and run the video cards in question.


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Media Center: Motherboard: Gigabyte mp61p-S3, Processor: AMD Athlon 64 x2 6000+, Memory: 6 gigs Patriot DDR2 800, Video: Gigabyte GeForce GT730, Storage: 500 gig Hitachi, PSU: Seasonic M1211 620W full modular, OS: Windows 10.

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Posted 01 April 2013 - 06:22 PM

thanks for the reply patriot..

For some reason I thought these were business PC's and not something a consumer would buy..

The monitors are both DVI monitors but I think I only have 1 adaptor.. the adaptor is DVI on one end and well since its a stock video card it would have to be a VGA on the other end right? i.e. dvd/vga adaptor...

If I get the Sapphire card then I wouldn't need anything else right?( assuming I have 2 DVI cables) but it is $57

Yes, the Gigabyte is only $36 but looks like I would need to buy an adaptor right? I see 3 options, 1 dvi, 1 hdmi, 1 vga... Or would the one I mentioned above work?

so close..

almost there, bear with me forum!<br /><br />oNe

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Posted 01 April 2013 - 09:05 PM

yes, if both of your monitors are DVI you would need a VGA to DVI adaptor for one of them if you bought the gigabyte, but not with the saphire, and the saphire does offer a better cooling solution but not a huge difference in performance.


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Media Center: Motherboard: Gigabyte mp61p-S3, Processor: AMD Athlon 64 x2 6000+, Memory: 6 gigs Patriot DDR2 800, Video: Gigabyte GeForce GT730, Storage: 500 gig Hitachi, PSU: Seasonic M1211 620W full modular, OS: Windows 10.

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Posted 02 April 2013 - 02:31 PM

Ok, so finally had a chance to check out the inventory..

Inventory:

Monitors: HP LP1965 x3 HP LP1965 19-inch LCD Monitor overview - HP Large Enterprise Business products

PC's:
dc7800 x2
dc7700 x2

Cables:
DVI to VGA x3
DVI to VGA Adaptor x1 NOT sure why this was even here? as dont' see how it was used..

So with that mind I think the $36 Gigabyte card is the best choice..

It allows me to do what I want(run dual monitors) WITHOUT any other purchase aside from the $36 card itself...

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814125431

no extra adaptors needed

no need to UPgrade the power supply

per your description its a nice lil powerhouse so I think I'm set

UNLESS I am missing something...

but I get paid Thursday so I plan on pulling the trigger then!

THANK YOU SHYGUY!!

oNe

p.s. I googled my monitors and they seem like they are a pretty dope model!

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Posted 02 April 2013 - 05:36 PM

ummm perhaps we had a miscommunication. a power supply upgrade to 400 watts is required for either card. 240 watts that comes with your computer is not enough.


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Media Center: Motherboard: Gigabyte mp61p-S3, Processor: AMD Athlon 64 x2 6000+, Memory: 6 gigs Patriot DDR2 800, Video: Gigabyte GeForce GT730, Storage: 500 gig Hitachi, PSU: Seasonic M1211 620W full modular, OS: Windows 10.

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Posted 02 April 2013 - 06:14 PM

well I ran this "TRUE" Power Supply calculator..

 

Looks like I'll be squeezing by... barely I guess!

 

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