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#1 golfdude

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Posted 19 February 2013 - 09:45 PM

Non-Gamer..just a movie addict,

 

I need to upgrade my main machine.  I currently have a Q6600 processor with 4 Gig of Ram- with Windows 7 64bit Home Premium. I have (2) Seagate 320 GB internal HD's Raid 1, and 6 TB's of external HD's connected via USB.  The internal HD's store the OS and pictures/Word Docs/Music/Programs.  The external HD's contain over 1,200 movies in VOB format.  In the past I used Media Center to peruse my titles and watch movies.  This quit working when my library exceeded 1,000 movies.  When I start Media Center and turn on the power strip with the external HD's- the machine locks up.  So, I have had to use Windows Media Player to open the movies which somewhat defeats the purpose of having a remote control to browse and play movies.

 

I realize that I could probably prolong the current config by doubling the RAM.  However, it has been 5 years since I was bleeped out for buying a new computer and I think the time is right to make an upgrade.

 

I am partial to Intel- a friend of mine works for the company.  I am planning to reuse my case, PS, and Graphics Card (750 watt PS and GTX 260).

 

Here is what I am thinking for MOBO and CPU:

i7-3820 and Intel BoxDX79SR

 

I will probably go with (4) 4GB DDR-3 1600 memory cards- leaving (4) slots for future upgrades.  I will want a SSD for the OS and probably go with (4) 2TB's of internal HD's- RAID 0 for the movie collection (I always have the disc if a HD fails).  I will use the old external HD's to make backups of other crap. 

 

Any thoughts or suggestions?

 

 


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Posted 20 February 2013 - 12:07 AM

An i7-3820 for watching movies is an way overkill. Is your current desktop connected the to the TV? If it is then i would go with a nice quiet compact HTPC which would suit your needs.


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Posted 20 February 2013 - 11:51 AM

Hi golfdude!

 

I can see that your problem lies in the accessing of your external drives.  Have you ever tried using Firewire?  It can really speed up access times.  


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Posted 20 February 2013 - 04:06 PM

  In the past I used Media Center to peruse my titles and watch movies.  This quit working when my library exceeded 1,000 movies.  When I start Media Center and turn on the power strip with the external HD's- the machine locks up.  So, I have had to use Windows Media Player to open the movies which somewhat defeats the purpose of having a remote control to browse and play movies.

 

Curious.  Did these lockups occur when you hit the "1000" mark in your library exactly?  Is there some sort of software limit on how many files/movies WMC can keep track of?  Why do you think additional RAM will help the situation?  What led you to believe there was a hardware problem specifically?  Have you tried plugging in your external drives into a separate strip on an extension cord on another circuit to eliminate any sort of power problem?

 

Just spitballin' here.  It is an odd problem. 

 

Agree with killerx525 above.  If you want to upgrade you can build a nice cool running HTPC build now that will do a great job of media work without the expense, heat, and power consumption of a Socket 2011 build.


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Posted 20 February 2013 - 07:18 PM

Is your current desktop connected the to the TV?

Yes- a 65" Vizio via HDMI

 

An i7-3820 for watching movies is an way overkill.

I also use the gear for doing CAD drawings.  What can I say- I like speed!

 

I can see that your problem lies in the accessing of your external drives.  Have you ever tried using Firewire?

The "problem" slowly occurred as the library grew.  Yes, I use Firewire connections between my video recorder and my PC.  However, this is not an option with my external HD's- nor is it the problem with accessing my library.  The PROBLEM is the software (Media Center) and the hardware.  The DVD (JPEG) covers alone add up as the software tries to load in the movie library.

 

Curious.  Did these lockups occur when you hit the "1000" mark in your library exactly?  Is there some sort of software limit on how many files/movies WMC can keep track of?

As I mentioned above, the loading of the movie library gradually got slower as the library grew.  The reason I can watch the movies through WMP is that I am opening the files directly and not loading the whole library into one software.  I really believe it is a memory problem, but if you guys aren't going to further the cause with the wife.. (hint- this is where you say I need a new computer- a fast one)- then maybe I came to the wrong place.  Just Kidding.

 

Really looking for some insight on building a descent machine.


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Posted 20 February 2013 - 11:37 PM

Hm, a i7-3770 would do for CAD drawing with 16GB of ram plus a low end graphics card would suit your needs.


Edited by killerx525, 21 February 2013 - 01:05 AM.

>Michael 
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Posted 21 February 2013 - 12:29 AM

golfdude, what would be the budget of you new rig - how high do you intend to go?


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Posted 21 February 2013 - 06:15 PM

Hm, a i7-3770 would do for CAD drawing with 16GB of ram plus a low end graphics card would suit your needs

  

 My thoughts are looking to the future, and I am thinking that LGA2011 will be around longer than LGA1155.  I considered the i7-3770, but it uses LGA1155.  That being said, I had a computer built in June 1997 with a Pentium II- 300Mhz- which was a Slot 1 socket.  That didn't last very long!

 

golfdude, what would be the budget of you new rig - how high do you intend to go?


 

I haven't put an exact dollar amount on the upgrade.  I want the machine to be useful for several years.

 

Some of main questions:

1. Is the LGA2011 going to be around for several years like LGA775?

2. Is the Intel MoBo a decent one, or should I go with another manufacturer?

3. What Solid State drive should I go with?  How big?

4. What RAM should I go with?  The Intel MoBo has (8) slots and if I go with this I will start with (4) banks of 4GB's.

5. What 2GB hard drives should I go with?  I have had good luck with Seagate in the past.

 

I do not plan on changing out the video card right now.  the GTX-260 is working well.  Eventually I will upgrade this.  Probably when I upgrade the TV- probably with a DP interface.

 

Any help would be appreciated.


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Posted 21 February 2013 - 11:40 PM

1. 2011 will be replaced by Ivy Bridge-E sometime this year or next year.

2. Intel mobo are pretty decent.

3. If you want speed, then the Samsung 840 Pro 256GB or the OCZ Vector.

4. Basically any quad channel ram kit.

5. Any Seagate Barracuda or Western Digital Blue drive would do.

Edited by killerx525, 21 February 2013 - 11:40 PM.

>Michael 
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Posted 23 February 2013 - 04:13 AM

sandybridge_zps6795e4a9.jpg My research has shown that the Ivy Bridge/Sandy Bridge will work with the 2011.  Most likely not for the Haswell E.


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Posted 23 February 2013 - 04:57 AM

Do note those are leaked roadmaps and anything can change during the year. 


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Posted 01 March 2013 - 12:26 AM

here's a $500 build for a computer built on the new Sandy Bridge platform
cpu: Intel Pentium G840 Sandy Bridge 2.8GHz LGA1155 ($89)
motherboard: Foxconn H61MX LGA 1155 Intel H61 ($55)
ram: G.SKILL NS 4GB (2 x 2GB) DDR3 1333 ($27)
graphics card: EVGA 01G-P3-1450-RX GeForce GTS 450 (Fermi) 1GB, recertified ($90)
hard drive: Seagate Barracuda ST500DM002 500GB 7200 RPM ($40)
optical drive: LITE-ON DVD Burner - Bulk Black SATA Model iHAS124-04 ($20)
power supply: XIGMATEK NRP-PC 400W 80 PLUS BRONZE Certified Active ($35)
case: COOLER MASTER Elite 430 Mid Tower ($50)
OS: Microsoft Windows 7 Home Premium SP1 64-bit - OEM ($95)
total: $500.87 ex.shipping, all parts from Newegg.com
assumption is you use your old monitor, speakers, keyboard & mouse.



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Posted 01 March 2013 - 12:34 AM

here's a $500 build for a computer built on the new Sandy Bridge platform
cpu: Intel Pentium G840 Sandy Bridge 2.8GHz LGA1155 ($89)
motherboard: Foxconn H61MX LGA 1155 Intel H61 ($55)
ram: G.SKILL NS 4GB (2 x 2GB) DDR3 1333 ($27)
graphics card: EVGA 01G-P3-1450-RX GeForce GTS 450 (Fermi) 1GB, recertified ($90)
hard drive: Seagate Barracuda ST500DM002 500GB 7200 RPM ($40)
optical drive: LITE-ON DVD Burner - Bulk Black SATA Model iHAS124-04 ($20)
power supply: XIGMATEK NRP-PC 400W 80 PLUS BRONZE Certified Active ($35)
case: COOLER MASTER Elite 430 Mid Tower ($50)
OS: Microsoft Windows 7 Home Premium SP1 64-bit - OEM ($95)
total: $500.87 ex.shipping, all parts from Newegg.com
assumption is you use your old monitor, speakers, keyboard & mouse.

Not really suitable for the OP's uses especially for CAD drawings.


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Posted 01 March 2013 - 03:09 AM

Beepin' Aussie,

 

I am getting real close to purchasing the upgrade material.  This is what I am set on buying:

i7-3820 Processor

Intel BoxDX79SR Motherboard

 

Need some advice on:

Fan/Heatsink- Was thinking about this-  http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16835103099

 

I need a good fan that is quiet.

 

RAM- (DDR3-1600)  I contacted Crucial to get their recommendation:

Thank you for contacting Crucial. The Intel BoxDx79SR Mother Board you are currently using has eight memory slots, each memory slot can hold up to 8GB of RAM. Your system can max out at 64GB of RAM. The i7-3820 Processor you have can only use DDR3 PC3 12800 memory modules. This speed is specific to your processor. If you want to maximize your RAM memory at 64GB you will want to buy four 16GB kits.

He went on to say:

Ballistix Sport- Entry level Ballistix for mainstream users and enthusiasts.


 

In terms of specifications the sport modules offer slightly improved performance over crucial branded memory however as they are JDEC standard they are still compatible with OEM(original equipment manufacturer) systems that would otherwise not be able to support performance memory. Sport modules are available in DDR2 as well as DDR3


 

 


 

Ballistix Tactical-  Gaming Ballistix for performance enthusiasts.


 

The Tactical range offers lower latencies over crucial equivalents. It supports XMP, which is a standard that allows for easy overclocking in the BIOS on supported motherboards. Ballistix Tactical modules are DDR3 and are available in standard or with smart tracer lights.

And, finally:

If you would like to purchase our Ballistix modules. It would be most effective to buy two 32GB kits.

 

Not thinking I need 64GB's of RAM.  Since the MoBo has (8) slots with a max of 64GB- I was going to buy (2) 8GB sticks to start out with.  Maybe (4) for a total of 32.  I can always buy additional at a later date.

 

Anyway, What are your thoughts on RAM manufacturers and what is a good bang for the buck and also rock solid?

 

Smart Tracer Lights?  Not thinking I need this option!

 

Thanks.


Edited by golfdude, 01 March 2013 - 03:12 AM.

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Posted 01 March 2013 - 03:21 AM

The Coolermaste Hyper 212 Evo is a great budget cooler and it would be able to handle the heat from the processor but if you truly want quiet, you should have a look at this Noctua cooler but do note that it is a very very big cooler but it performs exceptionally well.


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