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Advice on system build (within the next 6 months)


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#1 Light vs. Dark

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Posted 18 February 2013 - 05:39 AM

For the last year I've been looking at building a new computer.  This will be the my 3rd time building a computer.  The previous builds I had help from experienced family members, this 3rd time I am solely relying on myself and am seeking advice on my selected build.  It is now 2013 and I am looking at bulding a new PC that will last until 2020 or longer.  I went with AMD for my last build so now I will be taking a look at system that is largely Intel based.

 

Additional information:

My budget is between $2800 and $3500.

I will be buying within the next 6 months.

I will be using my new computer for high resource demanding applications such as Adobe Creative Suite as well as everyday and extended use.  Internet, e-mail, pictures, movies, games, at home projects.  Everything just needs to work fast, efficiently, and reliably without fail.

I will be using Windows 7 Ultimate 32 bit.

I have no need for new a new keyboard or monitor.

I need an excellent power strip.  Preferrably with a surge protector.  I will only need 2 or 3 slots, right? ....  Tower, Monitor.

Will I need a second power strip for my speakers to protect them and my motherboard from potential damage?

 

What I am looking for in a PC:

1. Reliability -  Is my system going to overheat or explode, after 5 years?  Hard drive / SSD / CPU going to fail?

2. Power Efficiency  -  80 Platinum Certified sounds good to me.  Anything else I should be looking for?

3. Resource Efficiency  ----  Speed, cooling, storage, read / write time, silence, reliability, compatibility.

4. Cooling Efficiency  -----  I want my system to be cold.  I prefer air cooling.

5. Compatibility  ----  Everything just needs to work without fail.

6. Silence  -----  Anything that will contribute towards a quiet system I am interested in.

7.  Aesthetic ---- While nice, I don't care what form my system takes, but... If the aesthetic helps the efficiency, then I'm all for it.

 

Some questions I may have:

8.  Logistics ----  Will all of the parts that I've selected physically fit together when placed on my motherboard and within my case?

 

I am having a lot of trouble visualizing measurements and just how these parts will fit inside the case I've selected which is the Xclio Windtunnel Advanced.  I don't mind the bigger cases, that is why I am decided on the Xclio.  I will use as many NF-A15 fans as I can fit inside.  What about Corsair's Obsidian 900D...?  I don't mind saving up the funds to buy that case if you think it is worth it.  There seems to be a lot of hype around it, as for wanting that case I am on the sidelines, but I am potentially interested.  I have no problem fitting the Obsidian 900D with NF-15 fans.  :-)

 

Does the Ivybridge overheat...?  I was looking at Sandybridge last year when I heard of Ivybridge and thought that I would get the better of the two, however I've read reports that Ivybridge ....overheats?  Something that is known to overheat I don't want to deal with.  I'm not sure what I should do here.  Should I wait for Haswell in June or move back towards Sandybridge 2600k...?

http://wccftech.com/intels-ivy-bridge-core-i7-3770k-overheating-issue-detailed/

 

What thermal paste should I consider?  I need something that works very well and that I won't have to re-add after 2 months of use.  I've looked into Arctic Silver 5 because that was apparently the best I can get, however I've also read of people saying they've had to re-add AS5 after X period of time...  The person who put together my last build only used the thermal compound once in 2007 when that build was assembled, and I haven't needed it since, my current 2007 build is running absolutely fine, cool, fast, no problems whatsoever.  I'm looking to repeat that sucess with an updated build in 2013.

 

Is my current build sufficient or over the top?  Will everything work well together?  Should I use the Windtunnel Advanced or Obsidian 900D?  What about compatibility, reliability, efficiency, and silence levels....?  Should I opt for Haswell instead of Ivybridge / Sandybridge.  I want to avoid the heating problems in Ivybridge.  I want air cooling and I want my system cold.  Any help towards answering these thoughts and questions will be greatly appeciated.  Thanks to everyone in advance!  :-)

 

My Intel Build:


CPU
Intel Core i7-3770K Ivy Bridge 3.5GHz LGA 1155 77W Quad-Core Desktop Processor
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16819116501

Motherboard
ASUS Maximus V EXTREME LGA 1155 Intel Z77 HDMI SATA 6Gb/s USB 3.0 Extended ATX Intel Motherboard
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16813131858

CPU Cooler & Heatsink
Noctua NH-D14 120mm & 140mm SSO CPU Cooler
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16835608018

Memory
CORSAIR Dominator Platinum 8GB (2 x 4GB) 240-Pin DDR3 SDRAM DDR3 2800 (PC3 22400)
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820233373

Video Card
PNY VCGGTX6804XPB GeForce GTX 680 4GB 256-bit GDDR5 PCI Express 3.0 x16 SLI Support Video Card
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814133475

SSD
Intel 330 Series Maple Crest SSDSC2CT120A3K5 2.5" 120GB SATA III MLC Internal Solid State Drive (SSD)
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820167121

Hard Drive
HGST Ultrastar 15K600 0B23663 600GB 15000 RPM 64MB Cache SAS 6Gb/s 3.5" Internal Hard Drive -Bare Drive
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16822145320

Power Supply Unit
PC Power and Cooling Silencer Mk III Series 1200W Modular Power Supply
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16817703037

Case
XCLIO WTBK ADVANCED Fully Black Finish Chassis: 1.0 mm SECC;Frontpanel: PU coating (ABS) ATX Super Tower Computer Case
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16811103019

 

Case Fans   2x   (Will replace front and rear fans from XCLIO Windtunnel Advanced Case) Noctua NF-A15 150mm Fan

http://www.amazon.com/Noctua-NF-A15-PWM-140x150x25mm-900rpm/dp/B00AED7XFI

 

Speakers

Logitech Z506 75 watts RMS 5.1 Surround Sound Speakers
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16836121044
 

Mouse

I'm having a bit of trouble with this.  I'm looking for a mouse with a fan built into it.  A few years ago I used to have one before it broke.  This may be a niche product, but it is something that I remember taking a liking to.  The only mouse I can find is...

 

Element Cyclone 9 Buttons 1 x Wheel USB Wired Laser 6500 dpi Mouse

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16826254092

 

I think the attached fan on the Element Cyclone looks gimmicky...  I'd rather have it built into the mouse like some of the older mice I've seen.  Do they even make these mice anymore or am I out of luck?  My other options for a mouse include this as an alternative...

 

A4 Tech F4 Anti-Vibrate 3000 CPI Laser Gaming Mouse

http://www.frozencpu.com/products/15724/pad-289/A4_Tech_F4_Anti-Vibrate_3000_CPI_Laser_Gaming_Mouse_MO-A4-XL-747H.html#blank

 

Powerstrip w/ surge protector ect.   2x  -  I'm looking for something that is safe that will protect my PC and is power efficient.

?????????

 

 



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Posted 18 February 2013 - 07:18 AM

Hi!  I must say you have a great  build, there. cool.png

 

I would recommend, at this point, to wait for Haswell to come out before deciding on anything.  See if it really does offer any performance to justify upgrading to it.


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Posted 18 February 2013 - 07:46 AM

First, you have an odd build.

 

I do not know if an EATX board will fit in that case, you might need to research that a bit more.  I have an Obsidian 700, and no complaints here.  Obsidian cases are really happy/compatable with watercooling setups

 

You have a 600GB SAS enterprise drive picked out, an extremely expensive, hot, SAS drive that isn't compatable with the board, and isn't at home in a system that needs to run cool or quiet.  If you have the money to throw at it, just get a pair of Samsung 840 Pro drives, Or a single 256GB 840 Pro, and a WD Black or equivilent drive for data storage.

 

32 bit Win7.....why?   You have one of a few builds that will benefit from more memory.  A 32 bit OS is not even a consideration really.  Grab a 64bit WIN 7 ISO as your present key will work with either 32 or 64 bit.

 

Power supply, not real partial to PCP&C after OCZ took them over.  1200 watts is real overkill for your proposed rig.

 

The 3770K does run warmer than a 2600K due to the heatspreader/core junction, nothing you can do about it.  They run a few degrees warmer than a Sandy, but eventhough they do, they stil overclock really well (up to 4.6 on my 3770K at stock voltage).  Air cooling will suffice.  Thermal compounds are your choice.  AS5 is good, I use Shin-etsu on my builds, just because I got a lot of tubes cheap off of E-Bay.  AS5 is cheap and is in the top 5 as far as TIMs go.  Not a lot of difference between the top compounds nowadays.

 

Noctua fans are overpriced.

 

Your build plans might be a moot point as Haswell is supposed to be released in June, and NVidia is going to release their product refresh by 2Q2013 as well.  You might have a lot of new hardware to choose from in the next few months......which is a good thing.  It sure does complicate build plans though.

 

You have enough budget to consider a Socket 2011 build (6 core goodness), but you have to consider you will be dealing with 130 WATT class CPUs,  and might not be a quiet, or as cool as you would wish.


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Posted 18 February 2013 - 11:47 AM

Thanks for the advice.  :-)

 

After seeing this mod to the Ivybridge I may decide to wait to see what Haswell has to offer.  It sucks that Intel used a low end thermal compound.  I'd rather not have to void the warranty.  Apparently Hasell uses only half the power that Ivybridge uses.  Hopefully_ Haswell won't have the same heating issue as Ivybridge.

 

Would an 850w power supply unit be better suited?

 

As for hard drives, I wanted an SSD to use for system boot, and I would use more reliable mechanical hard drives for my data storage needs.  I was trying to go for high capacity high RPM on the hard drives, but apparently that also raises the noise level.  Maybe I haven't done enough research on them.  I'm not really an expert at being able to read computer specs and applying parts to each other to check compatibility.  I said Windows 7 32-bit because that is what I am using now.  I have not been into the computer building since 2007 so it was my impression that 64-bit Windows operating systems were not compaitible with certain programs.  That may have changed though in the last 6 or 7 years though.

 

From what I'm gathering if the Haswell will be using an all-new socket, that means I will be looking for a newer motherboard as well.  Probably a few other pieces of hardware.  It may just be best for me to continue saving funds for the time being.  I'll wait for June, see what happens once Haswell launches.  I'm looking forward to what Asus will have because I was so excited about the Maximus V Extreme.


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Posted 18 February 2013 - 12:31 PM

You should definitely use the 64-bit version.  The 32-bit version can utilize only 4 GB of ram, while the 64-bit version can even use 192 GB!  

This is a great article about the 32-bit and 64-bit operating system.


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Posted 18 February 2013 - 09:10 PM

850 Watt is more than enough for Crossfire or SLI for any build.

 

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Posted 18 February 2013 - 10:09 PM

You may want to tune down the ram to 2133mhz or even 1600mhz because there will no noticeable performance increase  by using higher rated frequency. 


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Posted 19 February 2013 - 07:36 AM

192 GB wow, does anything even use that much memory?  That sounds awesome though.  I will probably take a second look at Win 7 Ultimate 64 - bit version.

 

As for ram, I think I understand a bit better.  I read a little bit, here is what I found.  So capacity > frequency / latency in terms of overal performance.

http://forums.anandtech.com/showthread.php?t=2152912

 

Thanks for the heads up on the 850w psu.  I'll probably shoot for that then.

 

I was really excited about the Maximus V Extreme motherboard, but I won't be able to use it if I decide to wait for Haswell.  I wonder what kind of motherboard they'll release for the 1150 socket (Haswell).  In the event I wait for Haswell, what components other than the motherboard will I need to change?  Noctua's NH-D14 CPU fan was something I heard was a really exceptional hardware.  Any word on what hardware will be using 1150 socket?

 

So far I'm seeing that if I go with Haswell, I'll need a different motherboard and cpu cooler.



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Posted 19 February 2013 - 03:17 PM

You will definitely need a different motherboard for Haswell and the NH-D14 may need to be changed. 


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Posted 19 February 2013 - 04:17 PM

Yeah, I checked the compatibility of the NH-D14 and for the Intel end of things, it does LGA1366 / 1156 / 1155 / 775    So probably not Haswell  1150

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Posted 20 February 2013 - 12:03 AM

You'll just have to wait as when the current 1155 came out people thought that they can't reuse their cooler but the mounting holes for the socket was exactly same as 1156. So you'll have to wait and see.


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