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#1 SirMaximusOwnage

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Posted 03 February 2013 - 07:13 PM

Okay, this is a big topic for me. I have no idea where to even start. I've never bought or even used a cooling system other than fans before, and those just came with my system.

Is there any tips for buying a cooling system? Pros and cons to each type (Liquid versus... whatever other types there are.)?
I've heard of some sort of vegetable oil ran cooling system? Is that even real? I'm guessing there's a nitrogen based cooling system that I would probably never need, but I would still like to know about it.

I know most equipment comes with fans and cooling systems that are supposed to work fine at factory default. But since I'll be sticking so much into my computer, and I will probably OC it in the future (If not with this current hardware, then with the next.), so I want to keep it cool. I also just don't want any problems with my computer, as I've had a long history of computers with problems. Adding overheating and broken hardware would just be one more thing to worry about.

Current setup (Not yet decided on a motherboard.):
Intel 3570k
2x HIS Radeon HD 7970 GHz edition
G.Skill Ripjaws Z Series 4x4GB (16GB) (Note: I know that 8GB runs any powerful game just fine at any speed. I wanted to grab 12 gigs just to be safe as well as speed up things like file converting and multi-tasking, but there was no in-between that had heat spread. Plus, blue is cool. =D)
I will update this as I decide on more things like my 2 SSD's, a sound card, network card (Do I even need one of these anymore?), Blu-ray drive, power supply and tower (Did I miss anything?), but it's no doubt that my computer will be producing a high amount of heat especially when playing heavy games.

Edited by SirMaximusOwnage, 03 February 2013 - 07:14 PM.


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Posted 03 February 2013 - 10:09 PM

To be honest, cooling isn't that tough on a Socket 1155 system. Any decent quality tower cooler (ie Hyper 212+) will do a fine job of keeping the temps down. Ivy Bridge CPUs naturally run hotter due to the core/heatspreader junction (thanks Intel), and even a good liquid cooler doesn't show huge improvements temperaturewise. I am currently running a 3770K@4.6 with a Corsair H100, and it still hits the mid 70C range when spooled up. Frankly, If I hadn't had an H100 sitting around, and a case made for it, I would have thrown on a tower air cooler and been done with it.

If you go with a Socket 2011 setup, then you have to place a higher priority on cooling. Overclocking those, and you can run 160+ watts though a CPU, and that is a lot of heat to dissipate.

As far as next generation, who knows. Haswell is a massive departure from the status quo with integrated voltage regulation. No telling what the thermal specs are on that.

You are correct that your computer will be producing a lot of heat.....from those video cards. That is where you have to put the effort as far as cooling. Make sure the case is set up for proper airflow to get that videocard heat out of there before it can effect your CPU too much.

Edited by dpunisher, 03 February 2013 - 10:12 PM.

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Posted 03 February 2013 - 11:32 PM

Don't bother using the reference model of the 7970 as they are loud and run hot especially the top card. If your not gonna OC right now, then the stock cooler would be adequate and it's fairly quiet.

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System1: CPU- Intel Core i7-5820K @ 4.4GHz, CPU Cooler- Noctua NH-D14, RAM- G.Skill Ripjaws 16GB Kit(4Gx4) DDR3 2133MHz, SSD/HDD- Samsung 850 EVO 250GB/Western Digital Caviar Black 1TB/Seagate Barracuada 3TB, GPU- 2x EVGA GTX980 Superclocked @1360/MHz1900MHz, Motherboard- Asus X99 Deluxe, Case- Custom Mac G5, PSU- EVGA P2-1000W, Soundcard- Realtek High Definition Audio, OS- Windows 10 Pro 64-Bit
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Posted 03 February 2013 - 11:44 PM

Where should I even begin looking to find out what sort of system would work for me? I generally start from tomshardware and then branch out from there by googling questions I have, but with a lack of experience I have no idea if a $10 cooling system will do fine, or if I should get some sort of liquid cooling system. I plan on overclocking those graphics cards. Not sure how much extra power I will squeeze out of them, but I think those graphics cards will last me quite some time (Or at the very, very least, till the end of the year. I really wish I hadn't missed Black Friday last year.).

I remember reading... somewhere, in wikipedia, that Intel said Haswell was expected to perform at higher temperature's than normal, even after they've been out for awhile.

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Posted 03 February 2013 - 11:55 PM

I suppose Haswell would run hotter because of the smaller die. Stock cooler for the CPU for now since you are not overclocking yet. The Gigabyte 7970 has a pretty good cooler and i have friend runs these in Crossfire and the temperature is good.

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System1: CPU- Intel Core i7-5820K @ 4.4GHz, CPU Cooler- Noctua NH-D14, RAM- G.Skill Ripjaws 16GB Kit(4Gx4) DDR3 2133MHz, SSD/HDD- Samsung 850 EVO 250GB/Western Digital Caviar Black 1TB/Seagate Barracuada 3TB, GPU- 2x EVGA GTX980 Superclocked @1360/MHz1900MHz, Motherboard- Asus X99 Deluxe, Case- Custom Mac G5, PSU- EVGA P2-1000W, Soundcard- Realtek High Definition Audio, OS- Windows 10 Pro 64-Bit
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Posted 04 February 2013 - 12:14 AM

Well, I'm running HIS's version of the Radeon HD 7970, which is the GHz edition.

I'll have an update to what I plan as my final setup here, soon, after I decide a sound card.

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Posted 04 February 2013 - 12:25 AM

Which HIS 7970 do you plan to get?

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System1: CPU- Intel Core i7-5820K @ 4.4GHz, CPU Cooler- Noctua NH-D14, RAM- G.Skill Ripjaws 16GB Kit(4Gx4) DDR3 2133MHz, SSD/HDD- Samsung 850 EVO 250GB/Western Digital Caviar Black 1TB/Seagate Barracuada 3TB, GPU- 2x EVGA GTX980 Superclocked @1360/MHz1900MHz, Motherboard- Asus X99 Deluxe, Case- Custom Mac G5, PSU- EVGA P2-1000W, Soundcard- Realtek High Definition Audio, OS- Windows 10 Pro 64-Bit
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Posted 04 February 2013 - 12:34 AM

It says it up there, but I'll say it again.

I plan on getting 2 HIS Radeon HD 7970 GHz edition. I'm not sure if there's a difference between regular GHz Edition, and the ICEq, but I figure it's a part of the GHz edition, as I can't find the ICEq edition for sale in it's GHz form.

Edit: That's right, I didn't get the ICEq because it had no GHz edition. That would be why.

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Posted 04 February 2013 - 03:22 AM

What i am talking about is the card either reference or non-reference.

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>Michael 
System1: CPU- Intel Core i7-5820K @ 4.4GHz, CPU Cooler- Noctua NH-D14, RAM- G.Skill Ripjaws 16GB Kit(4Gx4) DDR3 2133MHz, SSD/HDD- Samsung 850 EVO 250GB/Western Digital Caviar Black 1TB/Seagate Barracuada 3TB, GPU- 2x EVGA GTX980 Superclocked @1360/MHz1900MHz, Motherboard- Asus X99 Deluxe, Case- Custom Mac G5, PSU- EVGA P2-1000W, Soundcard- Realtek High Definition Audio, OS- Windows 10 Pro 64-Bit
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Posted 04 February 2013 - 04:02 AM

Well, if you call them by reference or non-reference, I don't really recognize those names at all. But I see that the non-reference model is the ICEQx2, which has no factory overclocked edition that I know of. So based on that, I'll be getting the reference model, I suppose.

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Posted 04 February 2013 - 07:13 AM

It's best to avoid the reference model as runs hotter and is much louder, basically get any other cards that does not use the reference cooler.

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System1: CPU- Intel Core i7-5820K @ 4.4GHz, CPU Cooler- Noctua NH-D14, RAM- G.Skill Ripjaws 16GB Kit(4Gx4) DDR3 2133MHz, SSD/HDD- Samsung 850 EVO 250GB/Western Digital Caviar Black 1TB/Seagate Barracuada 3TB, GPU- 2x EVGA GTX980 Superclocked @1360/MHz1900MHz, Motherboard- Asus X99 Deluxe, Case- Custom Mac G5, PSU- EVGA P2-1000W, Soundcard- Realtek High Definition Audio, OS- Windows 10 Pro 64-Bit
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Posted 04 February 2013 - 03:00 PM

Well, it would be nice to have the ICEq, but it doesn't seem to have as much power, normally. Unless "effective clock speed" is how much it's actually playing at, the 925MHz version gets poorer results.

Actually, I've been considering an alternative, but I'm not sure it will work, so I won't mention it until I have more info.

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Posted 04 February 2013 - 03:07 PM

There is plenty of cards that use non-reference cooler that is factory overclocked to 1000mhz or more which is basically a GHZ edition.

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System1: CPU- Intel Core i7-5820K @ 4.4GHz, CPU Cooler- Noctua NH-D14, RAM- G.Skill Ripjaws 16GB Kit(4Gx4) DDR3 2133MHz, SSD/HDD- Samsung 850 EVO 250GB/Western Digital Caviar Black 1TB/Seagate Barracuada 3TB, GPU- 2x EVGA GTX980 Superclocked @1360/MHz1900MHz, Motherboard- Asus X99 Deluxe, Case- Custom Mac G5, PSU- EVGA P2-1000W, Soundcard- Realtek High Definition Audio, OS- Windows 10 Pro 64-Bit
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Posted 04 February 2013 - 03:17 PM

Oh man, I've been doing this for too many days straight. I'm out of it. Looking at the pictures of the one I have in my newegg cart, I actually do have the non-reference. When I was shopping around, I wasn't looking at the pictures at all, and so I didn't really recognize the looks until I double-checked.

Darn, why can't benchmark's use the same name? XD
IceQx^2 is actually also the GHz edition, for future reference. Posted Image

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Posted 04 February 2013 - 11:31 PM

Do you mind posting the current parts you have in your cart?

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System1: CPU- Intel Core i7-5820K @ 4.4GHz, CPU Cooler- Noctua NH-D14, RAM- G.Skill Ripjaws 16GB Kit(4Gx4) DDR3 2133MHz, SSD/HDD- Samsung 850 EVO 250GB/Western Digital Caviar Black 1TB/Seagate Barracuada 3TB, GPU- 2x EVGA GTX980 Superclocked @1360/MHz1900MHz, Motherboard- Asus X99 Deluxe, Case- Custom Mac G5, PSU- EVGA P2-1000W, Soundcard- Realtek High Definition Audio, OS- Windows 10 Pro 64-Bit
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