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#1 Blip47

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Posted 26 January 2013 - 11:51 AM

Hi all,

This is my first post, so please be easy on me for the basic questions. I'm not a tech, but I feel ok opening the PC to change memory or add cards, etc. I apologize for the long post. I have a Velocity Micro Edge Z30 desktop. It was purchased in December 2010. It has Intel DH57DD motherboard and Intel i7-875k processor @ 2.93 Ghz, overclocked to 3.33. CPU cooler is Arctic Cooling Freezer7 Pro Rev 2. Graphics card is ATI Radeon HD 5830. Case is microATX. It has 4 GB of Mushkin DR3 10666 ram (2ea 2GB sticks in the blue slots). It has 64 bit Windows 7 pro.

Here is the problem. My Intel DH57DD MB will not accept memory in 2 of 4 DIMM slots (the black ones don't work). I've tried 2 sticks of Crucial memory, and I've tried 4 sticks of Kingston memory, (got the Kingston part numbers from intel.com for my board, so I know they are supposed to work). Neither worked. After installing the memory, all it does is continually power on for one second, then power off. Resetting CMOS by removing battery does nothing. I've done some troubleshooting, and I've taken my machine to 2 techs. Both say the same thing: MB DIMM slots are shot, and this board is known for this issue. Installing original Mushkin memory works fine in blue slots, but not in black slots. One tech even did troubleshooting by removing some components such as wireless cards.

I need help in choosing a replacement board. I'd prefer to keep my i7 processor, but I'm ok in buying a board and processor combo if that would get me what I want. I use the machine for making music, which takes a lot of ram at times to keep up with all of the virtual instruments I use. 4 GB is barely enough for one song! I need usb 3.0 for my external hard drives. I need firewire connection for my external audio interface. I want to stay with a processor at least as fast as what I have. My limit is about $400 for this project. Don't care which brand, as long as it is reliable and has good reviews from you folks.

PLEASE HELP A NEWBIE!

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Posted 26 January 2013 - 10:34 PM

tap,tap is this thing on? Little help?

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Posted 27 January 2013 - 12:39 AM

Hi Blip'
Welcome to BC. Give me an hour or so to do some research, and I will try to advise you.
Kevin.

OK, firstly, your processor is a "first generation" LGA 1156 processor, and to find a NEW motherboard to accept it will be problematic, as Intel in their wisdom changed the Landing Grid Array for the 2nd gen and later processors to LGA 1155 or LGA 2011 (Latest).

So I suggest that you need to look at replacing both!!

I Note that you need a firewire port on the board - again, being a fairly old technology, not many new mobos will have this option available. You should, however, be able to source either a firewire PCI card or a firewire-to-usb adaptor to satisfy that requirement.

My suggestion then:
Gigabyte GA-Z77M-D3H (this is a micro ATX board) 3-year warranty on this board!!!,
Intel Intel® Core™ i7 3770 - 3.40GHz Quad Core, Socket 1155, 8MB L3, DMI Bus, 22nm, x64, Intel VT, Intel HD Graphics 4000 @ 650MHz. This is a (New) 3rd Generation "Ivy Bridge" processor.

Hope that this helps.

Regards,
Kevin

Edited by Kevin384, 27 January 2013 - 01:21 AM.


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Posted 27 January 2013 - 02:23 PM

Hi Blip'
Welcome to BC. Give me an hour or so to do some research, and I will try to advise you.
Kevin.

OK, firstly, your processor is a "first generation" LGA 1156 processor, and to find a NEW motherboard to accept it will be problematic, as Intel in their wisdom changed the Landing Grid Array for the 2nd gen and later processors to LGA 1155 or LGA 2011 (Latest).

So I suggest that you need to look at replacing both!!

I Note that you need a firewire port on the board - again, being a fairly old technology, not many new mobos will have this option available. You should, however, be able to source either a firewire PCI card or a firewire-to-usb adaptor to satisfy that requirement.

My suggestion then:
Gigabyte GA-Z77M-D3H (this is a micro ATX board) 3-year warranty on this board!!!,
Intel Intel® Core™ i7 3770 - 3.40GHz Quad Core, Socket 1155, 8MB L3, DMI Bus, 22nm, x64, Intel VT, Intel HD Graphics 4000 @ 650MHz. This is a (New) 3rd Generation "Ivy Bridge" processor.

Hope that this helps.

Regards,
Kevin



Thanks for the reply. I like the suggestions. Looking in to it now. Looks like I can get the i7-3770k processor cheaper than i7-3770! I think the main difference between 3770 and 3770k is just overclocking?

Edited by Blip47, 27 January 2013 - 02:24 PM.


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Posted 27 January 2013 - 02:47 PM

Hi,
Just so, the "k" denotes the overclocking capability, but if the 3770k is less expensive, go for it! It may be of benefit if there are any updates to your software at a later stage.

Just as an aside, I will always recommend Gigabyte products, as I have had experienced other manufacturers products, and personally feel that the Gigabyte offerings seem to be better constructed, and what's more, they seem to be a lot more innovative than others (which may also be a DISadvantage as it tends to make me want to upgrade more often).

Also of interest is that this mobo has the new dual UEFI 3D BIOS which makes it very compatible with Win 8 if you ever want to upgrade at a later stage, and it also offers the advantage of being able to navigate with your mouse within the BIOS envirionment. Neat hey?

Good luck, and please keep me posted.
Best regards,
Kevin

Edited by Kevin384, 27 January 2013 - 02:48 PM.


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Posted 27 January 2013 - 03:37 PM

Kevin,

Thanks for the suggestions, very helpful. I also like the BIOS feature for future upgrades. So I'm down to this:

Processor:
i7-3770k ($230 usd)

Boards:

1: Gigabyte GA-Z77M-D3H-MVP (rev. 1.1) ($110)
2: Gigabyte GA-Z77MX-D3H (rev. 1.1) ($140)

I can't find the GA-Z77M-D3H (rev. 1.1) locally.

Three more questions, again sorry for the newbie questions!

1: Do I need to install new thermal paste under the fan? What is the best way to apply it, and what type/brand should I use? How best to remove the old paste? Will my new processor come with paste?
2: Is my existing processor heat sink sufficient for the new processor? It is Arctic Cooling Freezer7 Pro Rev 2.
3: I'm assuming my 550W power supply is still adequate (the power requirements in the processor are about 10W lower than my i7-875k). I'm guessing the Gigabyte board is about 1.5 to 2W higher than my old Intel board, but I figure that will be no more strain on the power supply, since I've already reduced the power load overall by switching the processor.

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Posted 28 January 2013 - 01:58 AM

Hi,
sorry for the delay, went and hit the sack at 22h20 SA time, only just logged on now.

The Gigabyte GA-Z77M-D3H-MVP board only differs from the plain D3H in that it incorporates the Lucid Virtu™ Universal® MVP GPU virtualization support which can only be of benifit to you, and it is less expensive than the Z77MX-D3H. Otherwise, it is the same as the D3H!

To answer your queries in order:

1) You will need to intall new thermal paste on your cooler, as when you remove it, the break point interferes with the conduction of the old paste - I would suggest that you use the Arctic cooler paste that you can purchase from most computer specialists, BUT you can also use the thermal paste available at any electronics shop as well, it is just as effective, and it is what I use.

To remove the old paste, I have found that a small amount of pure alcohol will do well: apply it to the CLOTH that you use to remove the paste, never to the components as there is a risk of damage to the CPU or cooler.

To apply new paste, place a SMALL amount of paste on the cleaned surface on the cooler and use a Credit card or something similar to spread it in a thin layer on whole of the heatsink base, then install the cooler onto the mobo as normal - you don't need a lot of paste, as it is very efficient stuff indeed.

(Here in SA the electronic paste is less expensive than the propriatary brands!).

As far as there being paste on the CPU, it won't be there, as it is applied to the bottom of the Intel cooler which is normally supplied with it.

2) I had a look at the Arctic cooler online through Google, it appears to more than sufficient for your purposes, I don't think that you need to upgrade it. (Hint, try to install the cooler in such a way that the fan blows TOWARD any case fan that exhausts your box - this will make its cooling even more efficient!)

3) It has been my experience that a 550W PSU is more than sufficient UNLESS you are going to get involved in high end gaming (mainly to provide power for multiple GPU's), so to my way of thinking it is ok for your purposes - even the mobo will have a LOWER power requirement due to the manner in which the manufacturer uses the best possible high efficiency components (eg. Solid capacitors), which are less power hungry.

Hope this all helps,
Best regards, and Good Luck,
Kevin

Edited by Kevin384, 28 January 2013 - 03:31 AM.


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Posted 30 January 2013 - 09:40 AM

So, I finished my rebuild! Went with the i5-3570k and Gigabit z77mvp board. Put in 16GB of ddr3 -1600 ram. Got a great deal on the processor and board as a combo. The ram was super cheap, at 70 bucks. I had some major issues getting Windows to load again, but after a couple of hours, I realized (to my stupidity) that I hadn't engaged RAID for the hard drives. Sadly, I lost my firewire port, but I'm over it. I was going to install a firewire pcie card, but it needed 15 pin sata connection, which this board doesnt have, I guess. maybe i can connect it to a regular sata header? if not, I'll just sell my firewire audio interface and get a USB.

Happy with the results, and it was quite a learning experience. Next time I need a new machine or upgrade, I will toss the micro ATX case. That is a limiter in my opinion.

Thank you for your patience and help.

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Posted 30 January 2013 - 10:23 AM

Well Done sir,
I am pleased that you are up and running - just one thing, I'm not sure what you mean by a PCIe card needing a 15 pin SATA connection. Can you give me a link to the card that you considered? Just don't discard your firewire audio interface just yet, I would like to see the card that you looked at. :blink:

Regards,
Kevin

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Posted 30 January 2013 - 09:11 PM

It is this one.

Cable looks like this.

4 pin Molex on card side, 15 pin male sata power on board side.

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Posted 30 January 2013 - 11:28 PM

Hi,
OK, had a look at the card, just needed the image. I didn't quite understand the need for the SATA cable. The one that you showed is an adapter power plug that you can use to provide power from a SATA female power plug from your PSU to the "Molex" 4-pin recepticle on the card. You should have spare SATA female connectors on your PSU cables, and you should also have the appropriate "Molex" connectors available, without having to use the adapter cable. NOTE the adapter cable appears to be supplied in the box with the card(?).


Now for the good news - the card is a PCIe X 1 slot type, and that slot is available on the motherboard - there are two slots coloured white on the board, the shorter one is a PCIe X 1 slot whch can be used for the adapter card. All you need to do is plug the card into that slot and restart your machine. If you have a firewire cable to supply the case-front port, plug it into the port on the top of the card, and you have your firewire back!!

Regards,
Kevin

Edited by Kevin384, 31 January 2013 - 01:31 AM.


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Posted 31 January 2013 - 07:40 AM

You are right. I feel like a dumb heel. So the "problem" was the spare SATA connector was tightly bundled together and hidden behind the the DVD drive at the top of the machine! The maker of this computer calls this wire routing the "immaculate custom hand wiring option." I call it, the "route the wires so no one can tell their even in there option."

I didn't get this until you said I should have spare connectors. I didn't even think to look for it since it wasn't in the open! So I already installed the audio interface again and I'm making music. You my friend, rock!

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Posted 31 January 2013 - 09:01 AM

It's my pleasure Blip,
Like all on this site, I am here to add what little I know to the pot, so that those who frequent the forums can learn and thereafter, teach.

You commented that you will purchase a new tower when next you upgrade - do yourself a favour, have a look at the Corsair range of towers, they are AWESOME.

I upgraded to a Corsair Carbide 500R (a mid-range sized tower) a couple months ago, and will definitely not be looking back!!

All of the best, and enjoy your new rig!!
Kevin

Edited by Kevin384, 31 January 2013 - 09:02 AM.





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