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#1 Scarlett

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Posted 27 March 2006 - 11:30 PM

(1.) Will these protests influence the laws of our country?

(2.) Should they have to go back and then return legally?

(3.) Or should they be allowed to stay for five years before they leave?


My perspective. Americans (legal Americans) do have a right to peacefully protest. But all of the protestors were not legal American citizens.

What would happen if an American dared to illegally enter another country, and when and if said country decided to crack down on illegal immigration through due process of law, by imposing more stringent immigration laws.
Then ... take to the streets in organized protests throughout the country in which they were residing illegally.
Waving the United States Flag, cutting off major freeways, etc. What would be the outcome of that?
Food for thought....

There are legal immigrants here in America. That is all well and good. I welcome them. But to expect to be able to break the law and then form protests across the country, whenever they are being called on for what they have done to break the law, some may look upon as ludicrous.


All protestors were not peaceful eiether, for instance.

More than a dozen arrests were made in Escondito in San Diego County, the North County Times said.

Police said some students threw rocks and bottles and damaged police cars. Police pepper-sprayed one teen demonstrator, who was treated at a hospital.

http://www.signonsandiego.com/news/state/2...ionrallies.html




Why was this even allowed in the first place?

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Posted 28 March 2006 - 03:47 PM

Yeah, i never understood how they can protest since they're ILLEGAL aliens, and it's ILLEGAL to cross the border without the proper paperwork... It'd be like trying to protest that people who kill other people shouldn't be arrested...

Instead of the gov't saying "Illegally coming to this country should be punished", we've basically been saying "It should be frowned upon"....

Not exactly sure where i stand on the issue. I know that it should be illegal, but placing stricter enforcements won't really end everything. If people want to get in (or out) of a place, there's little you can do to ultimately end it.

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Posted 28 March 2006 - 10:56 PM

Scarlett: There are legal immigrants here in America. That is all well and good. I welcome them. But to expect to be able to break the law and then form protests across the country, whenever they are being called on for what they have done to break the law, some may look upon as ludicrous.


Yes Scarlett this is America and not France. It seems that some have all been “dumbed down” with this idea that socialism is the answer to all of our problems. Throw in a little religion and see what you get. Add politics and this hamburger won’t fly without the help of the MSM and Hollywood.

HM: Not exactly sure where i stand on the issue. I know that it should be illegal, but placing stricter enforcements won't really end everything. If people want to get in (or out) of a place, there's little you can do to ultimately end it.


I agree HM, but at some point we have to try don’t we? If we were to rule out the political and religious stuff, would that give US a better chance? When a nation comes to the point where socialism replaces common sense, it is in deep DooDoo. If you have no faith in your country, all is lost. Zilch, DoDa and goodbye.
At some point we need to do something besides complain about the current state of affairs and do something.
But then again, I also wonder if we can really do anything about it now anyhow. It may be to late in the game.
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Posted 28 March 2006 - 11:20 PM

Well I think they should send them back. If we were to try it like scarlet said we would be sent back. If the US made it harder to get through maybe many would think twice before coming over illegally.

Im not against anybody here. We have good friends that are mexicans and they came here legally as far as I know. They are good citizens and work hard just like us. But those who flood the USA and earn and do not do taxes just cost america money.

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Posted 28 March 2006 - 11:26 PM

I agree. If they are legally in this country, then I have no problem with immigrants. But I see no problem with the government trying to crack down on illegal immigration. If they want to stay here, they need to do it the right way...protesting because the government is trying to enforce the law makes no sense.

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Posted 29 March 2006 - 12:56 PM

And if we would stop providing FREE taxpayer provided social programs and other services to these ILLEGAL immigrants, the problem would partially resolve itself.
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Posted 30 March 2006 - 12:48 AM

(1.) Will these protests influence the laws of our country?

I can only hope so and for the better in a stricter sense. As the laws we have now are almost ineffective, so easy to get around. Can't see a mass of illegals,waving the wrong flag and demanding more not opening the eyes of Congress. If you were to have behaved in this manner in Mexico....well you'd probably already be jailed, then praying someone realizes your missing at home and knows you were there.

(2.) Should they have to go back and then return legally?

Absolutly !! Why should they be allowed to 'cut in line' ahead of all those who have been waiting to be proper. Undocumented people can be carrying diseases (and other things) that we have eliminated here.

(3.) Or should they be allowed to stay for five years before they leave?

NO. No offense meant but kind of a silly question as they don't leave any way. Perhaps should have asked can they stay 5 more.
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Posted 30 March 2006 - 01:15 AM

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I asked the third one because it has been mentioned as one solution.
Not what I'd pick that one I can assure you.
I agree with you and everyone else here.

Do you know that in the Hispanic schools in L.A. they were announcing the protests on the public address system? Public schools mind you.
That just dont sit right with me.
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Posted 30 March 2006 - 11:52 AM

Immigration Protests Hit Miami's Streets

The protesters tell CBS4 they are prepared to break the law, by engaging in what they called ‘acts of civil disobedience’, to express their anger at the proposed changes to US immigration law.



Excuse me, they are not even US citizens. "Prepared to break the law? "Civil acts of disobedience"?
The arrogance shown is beginning to frighten, and concern me.
Protests? I think not, more along the lines of riots! These riots were Nation wide!
Police were taken away from their duties in order to attempt to gain control of the mobs.
Busses were brought in to round them up.
Tax payer money, the security of our U.S. cities all were at risk!


100 Westchester students face citations for walkout
Originally published Wednesday, March 29, 2006
Updated Wednesday, March 29, 2006

"When you're walking the wrong way on a freeway where cars are going 75 miles an hour, that has nothing to do with free speech; that's insanity," Los Angeles Police Chief William Bratton said. "We cannot tolerate that."


A 14-year-old tried to grab a deputy's "beanbag" shotgun from his hand, prompting the deputy to fire two beanbag rounds at him, Rogers said. The teen ran into the crowd but was pulled out by deputies who arrested him.

When students walk out of class, their schools stand to lose thousands of dollars in state funding. The state calculates how much money schools get based on how many students are in class. Schools in the Los Angeles Unified School District, for example, receive $28.13 a day for each student.

The district may have lost more than $1 million in two days of demonstrations, based on the number who walked out.


Oceanside schools ordered closed after immigration protests

By Sherry Saavedra, Kristina Davis and Helen Gao
UNION-TRIBUNE STAFF WRITER
March 30, 2006

Some students hurled food, milk cartons and plastic bottles at officers, prompting law enforcement to shoot pellets filled with pepper spray at the crowd's feet, police said. Three boys threw chunks of concrete at officers and were arrested on suspicion of assault with a deadly weapon, Oceanside Sgt. Leonard Mata said.

“The rest of the city is operating with a skeleton crew right now,” Mata said.

About 20 sheriff's deputies and several California Highway Patrol officers were called in to help.


Poor education and school overcrowding - consequences of mass immigration

• The California State Department of Education estimates that 16 new classrooms will need to be built every day, seven days a week, for the next five years. That's effectively one new school per day! The number of teachers will need to be doubled within ten years, meaning that 300,000 new educators will need to be required.

• Immigration will account for 96 percent of the increase in the school-age population over the next 50 years. If mass immigration continues, the education of all children in America will continue to be undermined. Education costs will continue to escalate and quality of education will continue to decline.

• The total K-12 school expenditure for illegal immigrants costs the states $7.4 billion annually—enough to buy a computer for every junior high student nationwide.

It has been said by a protestor in Chicago
that this may be the start of an immigration civil rights movement.
Again arrogance is the word. How can one even possibly form the idea that
they can be allowed to protest their civil rights, when indeed they are not citizens.
Illegal aliens do not, and should not have the rights of United States citizens!


We are being taken down from within! Mark my word!

Edited by Scarlett, 30 March 2006 - 11:52 AM.


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Posted 30 March 2006 - 02:40 PM

The discussion thus far does not recognize that these illegal immigrants are all potential voters for a certain political party that wants to regain its power. The MSM has joined them in this cause. Anyone or any party which takes enforcement seriously will be portrayed as anti-immigrant, racist and suffer the loss of a growing voting block. Thus, I suspect many political leaders will back down despite the fact that the majority of the American people want strict border enforcement.

And what happens to state budgets when twelve million illegal aliens become eligible for Medicaid, food stamps, welfare, educational and other tax payer funded benefits?

The Medicaid program alone has already begun to devour state budgets. "Medicaid," former Virginia Governor Mark Warner told the National Governors Association last July, "could actually bankrupt every state in the country before 2020 unless we can get a handle on it."

BTW, heres some more interesting news:

Houston High School Principal flies Mexican Flag at School
Mexican flag flies over community in Florida
Hispanic Groups Plan U.S. Worker Strike
Marchers say gringos, not illegals, have to go

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Posted 30 March 2006 - 11:05 PM

I know, Scarlett,I was being as bit sarcastic. I don't like it when people spit in my face or dump on my country either. I have no problem with legal immigration. In fact I know first hand of it. It takes years to get it right. I married a German girl. It took seven years to get her here legally. Many trips to the consulate. Well worth it I may add. So,I don't feel amnesty or dropping the proceedure should be changed. Not because I had to do it. But because I met so many people waiting for the rest of their families. Plus if we are keeping these people in line,what happens to them if we allow all of these to jump in front. Do they wait longer because of those who sneak in or overstay their visas. Well ,that will just sell an awful lot more one way tickets here. We cannot handle the burden now.
These protests are arrogance and disrespect for our country as a whole.
I agree with the comment on a voting 'commodity' as they are told vote for this person. Doing so will get you free this and that. I wish I'd kept the photo my cousin sent me from Miami airport. It said "Mayor Musto,Welcomes you to Union City, NJ." This city is a mess as many border towns are,as it is overrun with illegals. All city services are taxed to the max. Perhaps the word Taxed is inappropriate as they're not contributing to the tax base. Only a burden on it with multiple accounts drawing on it. But he was buying votes and these people were being misled anyway. I can tell you many many instances of how they are milking the US that I have seen. I guess I am getting off topic. Everyone cannot have their way. There needs to be serious tightening of the reins. Or I'll be putting the sign up at the airport that says...Will the last American out, please take down the flag !
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Posted 30 March 2006 - 11:10 PM

Mexican flag flies over community in Florida

Attempting to assume occupation???

Hispanic Groups Plan U.S. Worker Strike


A socialist stance???

Marchers say gringos, not illegals, have to go


A threat of war???

Preposterous? Am I going over board? Exaggerating?
Think about it.......

We are being taken down from the inside!
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Posted 30 March 2006 - 11:35 PM

We are being taken down from the inside!

In many ways

I do agree with this. WE all should be angry over this and tell our representatives so. I've made this comment myself in another post (just don't remember which).
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Posted 31 March 2006 - 08:36 AM

Telling your reps probably will have little effect.

The political ramifications of all this are profound.

If conservatives appear too strict and anti-immigrant they will loose all the gains they have made in garnishing the Hispanic vote. If they appear too weak they will loose base support from the majority of the American people. Catch 22.

Liberals, on the other hand, do not have to do anything but sit back and watch or criticize. Although the majority of them want full amnesty the MSM will not report that. Many will speak out that conservatives are racist and taking extreme anti-immigrant measures which will be reported by the press. These attacks along with attacks from a bias media will be the headlines immigrants (and the less informed) read and believe. This has been the course of almost all news reporting since the protesting began.

Hispanics are now the largest minority in the U.S. and still growing. If the Hispanic voting block moves into the Democrat's column along with their existing African-American base, the sheer numbers will give them the ability to win almost any major election for generations to come.

Conservatives will become a minority party and probably never recover. Liberals will be back in power and able to control their agenda for a brave new world. America will become a socialist welfare state just like its European counterparts.

Politics is similar to a chess game where you are always looking several steps ahead, anticipating how your opponent will attack. Your reps are keenly aware of the political ramifications I have just outlined but they are still unsure how to proceed.

Choices:
Anger the base and loose an election or two in the short term.
Anger the Hispanic community and loose all major elections in the long term.

Question: Which choice would you rather live with?
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Posted 31 March 2006 - 09:18 AM

Yea that has got some mention...i dont think there are too many irish involved in the protests though...too busy working or drinking...

America is not the only country in the world with this problem...In ireland if you are from Nigeria you can sneak in, claim assylum..get free lodgings free tv, cable work illeagly pay no tax...we pay for their kids...bla bla bla...same ol story..its the price we pay for a free open society...america has always had this problem..its kinda new to us but its the price we pay for success. I welcome people who come to this country from eastern europe and china/india to work because thats what they do...WORK...i have a number of friends from Nigeria, who work hard but for every 1 that works hard 50 claim social benefits..




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