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#1 Jove

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Posted 17 December 2012 - 07:01 PM

I have a DELL 2350 here and I installed an WXP Pro Edition and am having a bit of trouble with it, . .

Main thing is I have to activate it and since the system is from a borrowed disc, and the DELL 2350 Dimension was given to me and that party had it given to them, . . I know that I will probably have a problem with MS.

I don't think I would mind maybe 50 dollars, and know that upgrading the RAM is gonna cost me that much.

I figured to run MS test for an authentic OS and legalization, etc., then get acquainted with what they wanted to do, . but I am having problems with a driver and also with IE.

I can't seem to locate the PCI Parallel Port drivers, don't know why but it worked in the last install.

Any way if the WXP Pro is a no can do I am getting ready to install WXP and upgrade from CNET SP1a,

but what I need to know for the time being is, . .since I asked for an XP free D/L I get this from CNET
Windows Installer (Windows XP/2003)

What the Dell is it ?

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Posted 17 December 2012 - 09:46 PM

Hello Jove, :)

You ask some interesting questions, but we must first touch base with what you're working on and trying to do:

You mention you're installing XP Pro, then you're asked for an activation code.

This is not uncommon when changing Operating System versions. What was the previous OS version that you've installed XP Pro onto? And what disks have you used to re-install the new OS (Dell disks or other)?

This is the System Building and Upgrading forum, so I'd like to ask you what system are you trying to upgrade? Can you give some specs for us to help you?

By your first post, I've found these specs: http://support.dell.com/support/edocs/systems/dim2350/specs.htm

Does that fit your system?

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A RAM upgrade will cost some money and it will certainly help, but also take into account that Windows XP security updates will be ending very soon (in a couple of months time) as well. Have you thought about upgrading to Windows 7 or above? Or is that not a feasible plan for you?

Let me know what your plans are, and then we can see where to go from there.

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Posted 18 December 2012 - 09:52 AM

Yes I am thinking that this forum is for more advanced users so I
Hope this doesn't crash the party !

I have installed the Windows XP pro onto the desktop Dell Dimension 2350, it is was an installation disc for a laptop, . . the previous OS was WXP SP1,as far as I know, . .

The disc used to install the present OS was a; Re installation CD
Microsoft Windows XP Professional Service Pack 3, . .

BTW, . I just found here a Re installation Disc XP Home Edition Including SP1
so that resolves the first question, however I am not sure about the activation question,
for this.

Yes upgrading is feasible in a couple months so I guess this is no real emergency, but I'd like to get it going if feasible from your point of view, . .

also I am not sure what you want me to do with the document on tech. specs., so I posted, Systm. Info

OS Name Microsoft Windows XP Professional
Version 5.1.2600 Service Pack 3 Build 2600
OS Manufacturer Microsoft Corporation
Activation Status Activation Pending (21 days remaining)
System Name ________ 417332229
System Manufacturer Dell Computer Corporation
System Model Dimension 2350
System Type X86-based PC
Processor x86 Family 15 Model 1 Stepping 3 GenuineIntel ~1694 Mhz
BIOS Version/Date Mitac International A01, 12/17/2002
SMBIOS Version 2.3
Windows Directory F:\WINDOWS
System Directory F:\WINDOWS\system32
Boot Device \Device\HarddiskVolume2
Locale United States
Hardware Abstraction Layer Version = "5.1.2600.5512 (xpsp.080413-2111)"
User Name BOING-417332229\Administrator
Time Zone Eastern Standard Time
Total Physical Memory 512.00 MB
Available Physical Memory 366.99 MB
Total Virtual Memory 2.00 GB
Available Virtual Memory 1.96 GB
Page File Space 1.22 GB
Page File F:\pagefile.sys

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Posted 18 December 2012 - 05:46 PM

Maybe the Windows XP Pro is not compatible with the DELL dimension 2350 ?

Please see;
Dell Dimension 2350 Intel Chipset Driver 4.04.1007
http://drivers.exdat.com/readme/19745/Dell+Dimension+2350+Intel+Chipset+Driver+4.04.1007


2. One of the following operating systems must be
fully installed and running on the system
before installing this software:

Windows* 98SE 4.10.2222 (Original Release)
Windows* Me 4.90.3000 (Original Release)
Windows* 2000 5.00.2195 (Original Release)
Windows* XP 5.10.2600 (Release To Manufacturing (RTM))

No mention of XP Pro, this is a 2012 doc.

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Posted 18 December 2012 - 06:53 PM

Hi again,

Maybe the Windows XP Pro is not compatible with the DELL dimension 2350 ?

XP Pro is certainly compatible on your Dell! Compatibility is not an issue at all, so no worries there. :thumbup2:

The disc used to install the present OS was a; Re installation CD
Microsoft Windows XP Professional Service Pack 3, . .

The disk didn't say "Dell" on it, correct? Assuming you didn't use a "Dell" re-installation CD with the same version of XP as before, then see below:

I have installed the Windows XP pro onto the desktop Dell Dimension 2350, it is was an installation disc for a laptop, . . the previous OS was WXP SP1,as far as I know, . .

What I was asking was, what version of WXP was installed before? XP Pro, XP Home, or XP Media Center Edition?

The "SP1" is only referring to your Service Pack that is installed. If you've installed XP Pro when the old version was XP Home, you'd need a new activation code for XP Pro. That may not work very well.

If the old version was the same as the new version (XP Pro), you'll only have to enter the 25-digit Product Key Code usually found on the case of the computer and that should get you activated.

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If your old version is different from Pro, then you might want to find a disk with the same version as your old version and try re-installing again using the Product Key Code on the case. That should correct the activation issue. Make sense?

====================

For what it's worth, Dell Machines work perfectly with "Dell" re-installation CD's...as long as you're using the same version as your last installation.

On a Dell machine, using a Dell re-installation CD, and the same version as the old install (XP Home, XP Pro, XP Media Center Edition), you'll never be asked for an activation code. I've done this plenty of times, and never had a problem.

See what kind of disk you can get your hands on (either from a relative, co-worker, or friend), and try the above suggestions.

Hope that helps! :)

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Posted 18 December 2012 - 09:50 PM

I see, . . yes it was a DELL Disc, but I was under the impression this is a MS Issue, . .
I mean yes I need an activation code, and so I am willing to pay MS if they have a fee, . .

I was also under the impression that my friend or a relative was entitled to allow one or two reproductions etc, using that disc, ?

in any case I will never get to pay a fee if they happen to have one if I can not get the

driver for PCI Parallel Port because I can not get on line, . .

I am not sure if this is right,
it is the correct location, . .but the numbers don't seem to jive, .
anyway if DELL has that It isn't coming up for me.

Device Properties:
Driver Description BCM V.92 56K Voicemodem
Driver Date 2/24/2003
Driver Version 3.5.24.0
Driver Provider Broadcom Corporation
INF File oem1.inf
Hardware ID PCI\VEN_14E4&DEV_4212&SUBSYS_00021028&REV_02
Location Information PCI bus 1, device 4, function 0
PCI Device Broadcom BCM V.90 56k Modem

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Posted 19 December 2012 - 01:16 AM

Dell has more than the reinstallation disc necessary to reinstall. There is also at least one drivers and utilities disc. I have two, plus a few others. The drivers for the dial-up modem is on one of those drivers and utilities discs.

A note about license: If your friend, relative, etc. is using the license already, you cannot also use it. You need a different one.

From the EULA (PDF article). Bold face mine.

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server, used only to install or run the Product on your other Workstation Computers over an internal network;
however, you must acquire and dedicate an additional license for each separate Workstation Computer on or
from which the Product is installed, used, accessed, displayed or run. A license for the Product may not be shared or
used concurrently on different Workstation Computers.

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Posted 19 December 2012 - 09:05 AM

Thanks Orange Blossum,

The re-installation disc is from a laptop that is no longer in use, although I would be considered a one time transfer etc.

I have that Utilities disc, and I placed it in the player but it did not spin, . . I am not sure what the problem is there, . .
anyway I'll try it again.

As stated I will try this driver, (I'll let you know) :
Device Properties:
Driver Description BCM V.92 56K Voicemodem
Driver Date 2/24/2003
Driver Version 3.5.24.0
Driver Provider Broadcom Corporation
INF File oem1.inf
Hardware ID PCI\VEN_14E4&DEV_4212&SUBSYS_00021028&REV_02
Location Information PCI bus 1, device 4, function 0

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Posted 19 December 2012 - 10:21 AM

I got that driver in for now and am installing AVG Free 2013, and it is telling me,

This computer does not meet the minimum system requirements.

and that I need to choose customize, etc.

Could this be do to W-updates, if so what would be the best option at this point?

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Posted 19 December 2012 - 06:53 PM

Hi again,

One of the things I noticed is that your driver download link from the first post takes you to a non-Dell website. Third party drivers are not recommended, and you should try and get them from the Dell website (not to mention that there are a few spelling errors in that link which brings up a red flag).

Another thing I noticed was that your system is only running 512MB of RAM which I believe is the bare minimum for running AVG 2013.

Your processor speed is below the recommended system requirements for AVG 2013 as well.

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All that being said, XP security updates are going to be discontinued soon enough. If you're willing to pay some money to get this machine activated, and you'll probably need to spend some money for a RAM upgrade just to run certain programs as well...why not just upgrade the RAM (your machine should be able to handle 1GB) and grab a fresh copy of Windows 7 to finish the job right now?

It just doesn't pay to spend money on an XP activation for a couple of months, only to have to pay again to upgrade RAM and to Windows 7 soon. There also doesn't seem to be too much you can do to upgrade other things. Upgrading the motherboard would be the best investment to continue to the next level. That will allow even higher RAM and graphics options for the future.

Take a look at the Windows 7 system requirements: http://windows.microsoft.com/systemrequirements

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Edited by bloopie, 19 December 2012 - 07:06 PM.
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Posted 19 December 2012 - 07:37 PM

OK Boopie, Thanks, . .

Found the driver and believe it to be signed is a Broadcom.

I have AVG 2013 in and scanned etc.

This is an XP Pro Edition, I am not sure you new that but anyway I don't know much about their updating etc.

The max RAM for this if I am not mistaken is 1000, I guess that's a gig.

I did find a Corrupted executable file, C:\Documents and Settings, it has been moved to Virus Vault.

I will read over and look at 7 as you suggest, .

so yes I will upgrade the RAM and now having two machines plan to use one for communications and the other for graphics and filing.
therefore I am not sure about spending more for 7 or more for the Pro license if it is actually needed per the ruling that allows one user to have the installation.

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Posted 24 December 2012 - 11:32 PM

After much retrying to install modem drivers,

and getting a lot of no modem found,

I am now looking at the PCI Modem Card

and it appears that the external part connection to the card
has corrosion,externally in the dialup connection port and internally section on the green card part,solder points as well. see photo below;

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Posted 26 December 2012 - 10:32 PM

Hi Jove,

By the looks of it, your best bet may be to replace the card itself, or bring the machine to a specialist nearby that handles these things.

I cannot provide you with the proper soldering techniques if you want to go that route...you'll need to gather as much information as possible about the circuit board you wish to solder, and the proper solder points in question to make this work properly.

You may be charting territory that BC cannot be held accountable for, or help in those areas if something goes wrong and we cannot provide the solution for you.

I would suggest (given the above information), that you take this machine to a repair shop nearby, and let them diagnose your machine for a fix.

Let us know what happens with that, or any other suggestion! :)

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Posted 02 January 2013 - 02:28 PM

Considering my current budget I will probably buy a new card to see if that works,

then your suggestion of a shop will follow.

However, I went back to this PC just to search some old disc, and have found

that there is no sign of word pad and will only open programs of such as notepads,


Considering this is an OS WXP Pro, and has a pending activation date,

I am not sure what to attribute this change to at this time.

Do you think that it may be related to the card that is now uninstalled ?

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Posted 02 January 2013 - 02:50 PM

Hi again,

Buying a new card may help to alleviate the trip to the repair shop.

About the notepad, that may be a file association issue...we can check by running Rkill:

Please download Rkill by Grinler and save it to your desktop.Link 1
Link 2
  • Double-click on the Rkill desktop icon to run the tool.
  • If using Vista, right-click on it and Run As Administrator.
  • A black DOS box will briefly flash and then disappear. This is normal and indicates the tool ran successfully.
  • If not, delete the file, then download and use the one provided in Link 2.
  • If it does not work, repeat the process and attempt to use one of the remaining links until the tool runs.
  • If the tool does not run from any of the links provided, please let me know.
Do not reboot the computer, you will need to run the application again.

Now see if the items still open in notepad only.

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Do you think that it may be related to the card that is now uninstalled ?


Changing cards and some other hardware could prompt an activation of Windows, but I'm not sure if that's what you're asking...? Are you wondering why it's asking for activation, or why the notepad is the way programs open now?

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