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#1 blacktiger826

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Posted 23 October 2012 - 08:39 PM

I was looking to upgrade my CPU and needed help on finding the better option. Without worrying about overkill(yes i know most games will max out at around high end i5 given that the computer doesnt bottle neck in any other area)which is better.
1. Sandy Bridge i7 3960x extreme edition
2. Ivy Bridge i7 3770k
Both would run at 3.9 GHz.
Although Ivy bridge should out preform the sandy bridge processor, from the reviews I have read it actually is working the other way around. What ive heard most is.....
1.3960x has a better clock tolerance
2.3960x has a better benchmark(by alot)
3.3960x is made better/there is an issue with the quality of the parts(in the sautering or heat conducting) in the Ivy Bridges.

Before I jump on one or the other, I want to know what you guys think. Ivy Bridge is said to have a better performance compared to sandy bridge over all but I have not seen it from any of the bench tests done with results posted online. Again I know its over kill but Im getting a huge deal(almost half off) on which ever one I buy and well...I get to brag to my friends about my awesome computer :).

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#2 killerx525

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Posted 24 October 2012 - 12:19 AM

Ivy Bridge is faster then Sandy Bridge but it will run hotter and doesn't overclock that well compared to Sandy Bridge. Ivy Bridge is for mainstream users whereas the 39xx is the enthusiast range. It depends on what you use your computer for, the budget you have and your current setup.

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System1: CPU- Intel Core i7-5820K @ 4.4GHz, CPU Cooler- Noctua NH-D14, RAM- G.Skill Ripjaws 16GB Kit(4Gx4) DDR3 2133MHz, SSD/HDD- Samsung 850 EVO 250GB/Western Digital Caviar Black 1TB/Seagate Barracuada 3TB, GPU- 2x EVGA GTX980 Superclocked @1360/MHz1900MHz, Motherboard- Asus X99 Deluxe, Case- Custom Mac G5, PSU- EVGA P2-1000W, Soundcard- Realtek High Definition Audio, OS- Windows 10 Pro 64-Bit
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Posted 24 October 2012 - 06:20 AM

You are comparing apples and oranges. i7 3960x is Socket 2011, i7 3770k is Socket 1155. Socket 2011 has 4 memory channels and that is where it shines. Once you get away from specific apps that require big memory bandwidth, the things tighten up between the two sockets.

Sandy vs Ivy, I would still go Ivy just because of the superior IPC. I don't know if Intel has fixed the heat transfer problems on the latest Ivys yet, but it wouldn't stop me from getting a 3770/3750K.

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Posted 24 October 2012 - 04:05 PM

Intel hasn't done anything yet about the heat transfer problem but as long an adequate cooler is used, it shouldn't be a problem.

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Posted 24 October 2012 - 07:11 PM

Thanks guys I think ill probably go with the 3960x or wait for the next gen(its a work in progress and I expect to figure things out for a couple months before I make a decision)...another question.
Whats your feelings on Hyper X Predator memory. Ive heard that Corsair Vengence is wonderful but at the same time some personal friends have complained about failures and issues with them. Those friends aren't the best at computers so it may be user end, but so far ive only heard good things about predator memory and I wanted to know more opinions on the subject.
On another note, what about Hyper X H2O?
So basicly the question is whats best
1.HyperX predator
2.Hyper X h20
3.Corsair Vengence
4.Another brand you think is great.

Also I will be running these at the highest mhz available so the best one I can buy. Although some tests have been showing that 1600mhz sometimes outperforms 2133mhz or higher in some videogames...hmmm.

And for the question on my budget, There really isnt a max budget because of a friend who can help me get all the parts for around half price.

PS. What do you guys think about the Asus Rampage IV Extreme? Or should I look for a z77 motherboard?

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Posted 24 October 2012 - 09:37 PM

PS. What do you guys think about the Asus Rampage IV Extreme? Or should I look for a z77 motherboard?


It just depends on how much money you have to throw at this project, and if you are willing to pay a $500 premium for a Socket 2011/X79 setup vs a Socket 1155/Z77 setup for about a 4-8% improvement on average. For me personally, it is hard to justify that extra money when I can throw that extra cash into a GTX680 or other top video card.

Memory, here is the sleeper stuff. Don't be fooled by it's stock timing. This stuff really overclocks well: http://www.newegg.com/SAMSUNG-Desktop-Memory/BrandSubCat/ID-1077-147

If you need fancy heatspreaders, I trend towards Kingston for reliability at this time. G-Skill(Ripjaws) is one brand that I am hearing some negatives about now, but personally I have used 2-3 sets of it without problems. Corsair Dominator- good stuff-overpriced, Corsair Vengeance-hearing about problems (reliability). Patriot, I like. Take it with a grain of salt.

Edited by dpunisher, 24 October 2012 - 09:48 PM.

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Posted 24 October 2012 - 11:14 PM

To me coming from a 2600k to a 3930 I saw a huge improvement in my multi encoding. the 3930 + the 680gtx hardware codec blew me away. But for gaming it's the sames as my old 2600k. I actually leave my system on 24/7 and it stays around 43c.

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Posted 24 October 2012 - 11:33 PM

If your looking to do some high overclocking then the Rampage Extreme is the way to go.

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Posted 24 October 2012 - 11:54 PM

Wow thanks so much guys....Ive made computers before but they have always been midlevel or low highlevel...I could always get the "generic" versions rather than specialize and go for the best. I hope im not coming off as an annoying noob but ive got one more question or rather affirmation that I want to find out. I already prety much know what I want(a version of 39--X either the 3930 or 3960) but this was kind of interesting to me.
Intel has many different "extreme" processers. Theres the 39--x series, the x9-- series, and xeon series. If im right the 39--x series is the gaming specific one while the xeon series is more of a server/multi screen video editing/adobe work sort of thing. If thats true, whats the x9-- for? Its aparently benching lower than the 39--x which is then outbenched by the xeons(I assume due to the multi cpu capabilities and/or maybe more cores).



and part 2,
what is a motherboard like the "srx classified" for? It clearly benches the best out of any of the motherboards ive seen But in terms of gaming and similar processes, its being beaten by the rampange IV extreme and other similar mobos. The best answer Ive seen so far is "its only to brag about the amazing bench speeds you have compared to anyone else" but its gota have another purpose right?

Edited by blacktiger826, 24 October 2012 - 11:55 PM.


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Posted 25 October 2012 - 12:09 AM

The Intel Extreme series processor is really for heavy encoding, video editing etc and there is no benefit in getting it for only gaming purposes as a i5 can already do that job. The 990X is the last generation extreme processor and yes, it would be slower then the 3960X. The Xeon is has more cores which is why it is faster then the 3960X. EVGA SRX Classfied is a dual socket workstation motherboard, so it is basically compatible with the Xeon CPUs.

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Posted 25 October 2012 - 12:30 AM

Also the difference between the 3960k and 3930k is not much at all so I would save the extra $500 and invest in a 680gtx like I did. Unless you can get one equally price to 3930k. I once saw a 3960k on ebay for $600. That was a few months ago

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Posted 25 October 2012 - 06:52 PM

got it.

now on to storage.
Im going to get an ssd for sure. It will also be at least 500gbs. The question is what i should get for a second hard drive/more space....
1. get a larger ssd or more 500gb ssds
2.get a normal hard drive of a size like 2-4 tbs.

also what ssds do you guys like(top of the line ones)? ive heard samsung makes a decent one but ive also heard corsair, patriot, ocz, crucial, and kingston are sweet too.

I think ive said it before, but theres not really a set budget and i can pretty much pick and choose what i want because of low prices i have to pay for each. So basicly i want the "best" possible. That said, I still dont believe in throwing money away so if you could tell me both 1. the best and 2. the best with a good price/dollar that would be perfect.

Edited by blacktiger826, 25 October 2012 - 06:53 PM.


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Posted 26 October 2012 - 12:39 AM

Have a look at Samsung's 512GB 830 Series SSD, that are pretty good and fast.

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Games: APB: Reloaded, Hours played: 3100+  System2: Late 2011 Macbook Pro 15inch   OFw63FY.png





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