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#1 slow235comp

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Posted 09 October 2012 - 08:22 PM

1.5ghz, 1g RAM, 80GB harddrive, Dell Optiplex gx240 desktop, XP SP3, IE8

It makes my blood boil, I sometimes lay down while web pages load. I didn't go to any shady websites like porn or anything, I only click on ones Norton shows are OK after a Google search. I fully reformatted and have like nothing installed. I ran tons of scans and found no spyware or anything,


It was as slow a few months ago. I made a thread and found that no capacitors are leaking, fans are clean, it's not a
hardware problem and malware logs were clean and i ran about 5 of the best antispyware scans (adaware, spybot, windows defenter, SAS, malwarebytes, etc) and a full Norton scan were all clean. We found it to be Constat Guard (free antivirus, mostly ID protection free with Comcast I thought was needed to have Norton installed) installed along with Norton Security Suite. I uninstalled Constant Guard, did a full XP reformat and it was faster for about 3 months. I reformatted again and reinstalled XP and it got slow. I reformatted again and again and it's slow as hell.

All I have installed is flashplayer, updated gfx card driver, IE8, norton secutiy suite, google earth, and Windows XP
updates. It's not just slow for webpages, like loading add/remove programs list takes too long. I always delete cookies and temp files. Compatability mode doesn't help loading pages.


norton requiremnts are:
•300 MHz or faster processor.
•256 MB of RAM.
•300 MB of available hard disk space


After the reformat that made it slow, I had to install an XP SP3 version intended for IT developers for multiple computer or something like that it said. Now when you go to update windows after installing the CD, it gives you an error code saying windows update won't work. They should just explain it doesn's support non-SP3 XP and link SP3 insted of giving a code. I googled the error code, found many with the same proble and all different solutions, but all you need to do is download SP3 from windows (or sp1/2 first if the cd is just plain XP with no SP1). Windows says on the webpage and I called them that to just go ahead and install the only SP3 they are offering, the 'IT developers installingon multiple third party computer, for just one computer, a smaller better version is available' or something like that it says. So I install that then do all the 100+ mostly security updates and its slow. Other computers on my router are fine. I don't wanna risk turning Norton off to see if it's the problem. We recently had a new Router installed from Comcast which made the other computers faster, so it's not that. The other computers have about the same specs.One has XP SP3 (not the IT developer version) and NOrton and the other has Norton and vista. I checked my internet wire with a tester and all the individual wires and the ground wire are okay.

Everythig's up to date. Thing is, I ran okay with Norton before formatting and installing the IT developer sp3 which windows says all over is fine for a regular comp.

THANK YOU.

Edited by slow235comp, 09 October 2012 - 09:32 PM.


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Posted 09 October 2012 - 10:20 PM

What I suggest to find out if Norton is the cause: suggested because when it comes to security what works for one person may not play nice with your computer

Download a free antivirus program and save it to your desktop. Microsoft Security Essentials will work if you want to try it.

Uninstall Norton. After uninstalling and rebooting, run the Norton removal tool

Reboot and install the free antivirus. After installing you will be able to quickly tell if Norton was slowing the computer.

Did you install the Xfinity toolbar? If so, uninstall it. It can also cause a slow down.

Edited by Queen-Evie, 09 October 2012 - 10:29 PM.


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Posted 11 October 2012 - 12:15 PM

You need to ditch Norton, and also Windows Defender.

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Posted 12 October 2012 - 07:07 PM

My goal's to run decent with Norton like a few month ago.
If this might help anyone, I posted this thread here and got different info
http://forums.cnet.com/7723-6122_102-575182/rip-my-hair-out-slow-computer/?tag=StickyWin_1349828373578;createThreadPopup

http://community.norton.com/t5/Norton-Internet-Security-Norton/Rip-my-hair-out-slow-computer/td-p/822456

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Posted 12 October 2012 - 07:31 PM

Hi -
Have you followed the first step of advice above from Queen-Evie yet ??
This may sound simple, but you have reinstalled and no longer have exactly the same setup as you did earlier - - - - - -
You have altered installed programs etc. and this will always cause a change - Do the Simple things first -
Remember that each daily update from Norton alters the program that you ran last year -

Thank You -

Edited by noknojon, 12 October 2012 - 07:32 PM.


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Posted 14 October 2012 - 05:05 PM

if it were mine ,i would would be thinking i had a hard drive that is getting bad ,and would check it with manufactures hdd utility

Edited by caperjac, 14 October 2012 - 05:06 PM.

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Posted 14 October 2012 - 05:55 PM

My goal's to run decent with Norton like a few month ago.
If this might help anyone, I posted this thread here and got different info

Your systen will never run 100% like it did in an earlier state - FACT - You may get it close to how it was running, but that is all
Post on many forums and you will get many answers, except for the programs site - They will, naturally, blame every other process and program that you have running

Download Security Check by Screen317 from HERE or HERE, and Save it to your Desktop.
* Double-click SecurityCheck.exe
* Follow the onscreen instructions inside of the black box.
* A Notepad document should open automatically called checkup.txt; please post the contents of that document.
Note: If a security program requests permission to access the Internet, allow it to do so.

Thank You -

Also the idea of failing hard drive from caperjac is not far from a very good idea - You do not have the same computer you had last year.
How many other programs have you installed, removed, altered, updated, etc in the last year ??

EDIT - I had to install an XP SP3 version intended for IT developers for multiple computer or something like that it said.
This is the Standard Download Site for XP SP3 now -

Edited by noknojon, 14 October 2012 - 06:00 PM.


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Posted 21 October 2012 - 11:48 PM

Did you do Error Checking on your hard drive?

Edited by ronald.teng, 21 October 2012 - 11:51 PM.


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Posted 29 October 2012 - 06:16 PM

Stumped? I have a better computer now but I want to find what's wrong with this one. Thanks for all your help so far.

In order, I:

checked capacitors, inside, etc. Everything seems fine and dust-free.

Drivermax found 12 outdated drivers. I updated bridge-to-bridge, mouse, human interface, and I forgot the other. I didn't get to update all 12 drivers because I was eventually forced to reformat and Drivermax only allows 2 a day for free. All were only outdated a few months and ancient anyway.

I tried Dell's online full diagnosis but kept getting 'The application failed to initializse properly'.

I ran Dell's driver update and downloaded 51 updates. All were 'Optional' except Smart Reader Keyboard was 'reccomended'. None installed. It gave me files I didn't know what to do with. I didn't feel the need to learn how to install all those optional ancient updates or risk messing anything up so I left them in a folder.

I don't have Diagnosis, PSA, cPSA or anything in BIOS for a built-in boot diagnosis.

I ran 2 CPU temperature programs to see how bad new heatsink compound paste is needed. Bafflingly both wouldn't show CPU temp. One said HDD was 39C which I read is okay. My BIOS doesn't show temps.

I ran PC Pitstop PC Matic online scan + tune up. It optimized 16 things like internet speed settings, disabled GoogleUpdateTaskMachineCore, updated some drivers, defragged, and deleted junk files.

I ran MaxMySpeed.com. Could have paid to fix 90% of 2789 problems were disk optimizer category, the rest were in privacy protector, system cleaner, registry cleaner, and registry optimizer categories.

Everything ^ was either found suggested on forums or flagged as safe and reliable by Norton. The computer got worse.

I removed an unknown program in add/remove. I forgot the name. It got installed somewhere along doing everthing I listed but i'm pretty sure I never OKayed to install anything other than what I listed. It warned that the internet might not work right if removed. My PCI internet jack card has it's own program and diagnosis, it wasn't named anything in relation to that card so I deleted it. Next, like nothing worked. My quicklaunches disapeared and I couldn't restore them, I couldn't open anything from MyRecentDocuments, but I could find files and open them. I couldn't open IE with any method. The diagnosis for my PCI internet jack said working, receiving and sending.

Next, I changed Hard drives to a different one of the same model and fully reformatted MS's IT Developer XP SP3. I always delete the previous partition first, which I read might matter. When trying to Boot from CD to install Windows, the new (but old) HDD kept freezing at 'initializing MBA'. I changed the little pin location for Master/Slave/CS etc from Master to CS and got Windows to install. There's only one harddrive though, nothing's chained.
The computer was worse with that HDD than the previous one which i'm back on now, which, again somehow passed it's manufacturer's online test.

So, I switched back to the original HDD/better of the two and reformatted XP to it. I did Windows Update and installed Norton. Somehow, this HDD's worse than before I switched it. It was basically an indentical set-up of bare minimum but everything froze up etc worse just a few days later.

I tried Dell's online full diagnostics again and got "the application failed to initializse properly" even if saving the .exe instead of running it etc. The individual component tests gave the same error.

I have a Dell Drivers and Resource CD that says it's for a Dell Dimension which this computer isn't. However, it showed all of my drivers and seemed to work for it's diagnostics boot CD section. I booted from CD, it said 'starting Windows 98' and did a 2 hour diagnosis reporting 6 errors: DE CDROM 3 failed confidence, read, and seek "incompatable CD for testing" and Diskette drive B failed read, write, and seek tests "the device did not respond in a fixed time to an access attempt".

I guess the Registy's fine since I keep reformatting, so I didn't run any Registry check programs.

I couldn't get freeisoburner, ISO Recorder, or ImgBurn to burn an ISO for Ultimate Boot CD. UBCD is tons of diagnostics, AV, etc freewares on a boot CD that compares a system to the known good system files on a XP/whatever formatting disk/flash drive/etc. I tried numerous new CDs and drives. Burning CDs always seemed to work. I built UBCD ISO with another system. I fully reformatted this computer yet again then ran Ultimate Boot CD without installing SP3 or anything, just to keep it very clean for the UBCD tests.


In UBCD I did/tried in order:
Memtest86+ v4.10: passed
HD Tune 2.55 Hard Disk Utility Error Scan: Clean/no damaged blocks. Said temp 39C then 50C.
Quickbench:'completed successfully!'
RoadKill's Disk Wipe: 1 pass, '16129 errors erased'
Disk Check UP: 60C HD temp warning
Prime95 Torture Test (pushes hardware to limits as test): Passed 8 tests for 3 hours.
CPU Bench: 'can't detect video card'
Window UPdate List: Won't open
WinCupid: obsolete test/won't open
WinAudit: won't open
Unknown Devices: obsolete test/won't open
System Info For Windows: won't open
Key Finder: won't open
Joshua's Key Finder: won't open
HW Monitor: 37C HD temp
CPU-z Latency Test: won't open
Cool Mon: won't open
H2test: didn't work
EMSA Diskcheck 1.077: 'bad file name or number' error
Check Flash Memory: 'not formatted' error
Bart Stuff Test v5.1.4: 'not a recognised file system'
Drive Eraser: 'out of memory' error
Eraser: won't open
RoadKill's Disk Wipe version 1.2: again with 3 passes

Next, I did another full XP format, didn't install anything and went straight for DBAN Derik's Boot and Nuke HDD wiper. I did the 7 pass Department of Defence-worthy write everything as 1's wipe. Had to make the DBAN .iso CD with other system, DBAN wasn't on UBCD but can/should be.

After the DBAN wipe, I formatted XP again. At this point, it was worse than ever.
Restarting took 10 minutes. Flash wouldn't install,but later poped up as a suggestion to download while at tomshardware, and it worked. but still was suggested on all sites using it.

Windows update worked first try, then it didn't. I installed IT developer SP3 from WIndows then ran Update and downloaded many updates, restarted and tried Update again because it always misses some after the first run. It told me I needed SP3 to use Update as if I didn't install it.
http://support.microsoft.com/kb/2497281#AlreadyInstalled
suggest these methods that didn't work:
Tried downloading the latest version of the Windows Update Agent, got error that it's not supported on my x86 OS.

Auto updates were on, I tried their cmd command to check for updates, it said it wasn't a recognized command.

Tried their "fix it for me" app and got an error installing it. Googled the error code 2755. There are many ways/work arounds to fix 2755, but I wanted to make sure I didn't screw anything up and then make the system less bare so it's easier to find the problem(s) to blame, so I reformatted yet again hoping not to get errors next time.


So, I reformatted with a different but still old SP2 CD. I ran it for a day with no AV at all or Service pack/windows updates and it was slow as usual, so it's not Norton. Then, I reformatted again in case I picked up anything while on a bare system.


This is where I'm at now. Win Update works. I figured I have to disable Norton to install Flash. Dell's online full diagnosis still says 'The application failed to initializse properly'.
However, music production software still runs as good as years ago when the internet and windows explorer werern't nearly as slow. About the same for video games too.


The same PC with XP and Norton (norton 2003, not the current Security Suite I'm running) is on eBay and says "The computer boots quickly and is perfect for browsing the internet and other tasks". There are others with XP but no info about speed.

Maybe the XP CDs I format with got screwed up/scratched? I've had errors when formatting that a file was missing once or twice in the past, so I un-did the whole format, started again, and it installed with no errors but the PC was still slow.The erros are hit or miss amongst 4 CDs of XP SP0, SP1, or SP2.

Someone suggested a new CMOS battery.

I Googled variations of: diagnostics diagnose computer hardware full free etc.
I found the following which I might run but am pretty sure I'll end up forced to reformat from worsening after a few:
RadarSync PC Updater 2012
HWiNFO32
testmyhardware.com
CPU-Z
Dr. Hardware
BurnInTest Professional

Any suggestions? Thank you.

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Posted 04 November 2012 - 09:56 PM

thanks for help. I found possible caues with the help of two other threads if it's actually useful/interesting to anyone
http://community.norton.com/t5/Norton-Internet-Security-Norton/Rip-my-hair-out-slow-computer/td-p/822456
http://forums.cnet.com/7723-6122_102-575182/rip-my-hair-out-slow-computer/

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Posted 06 November 2012 - 05:49 PM

My 'new' PC's way worse than the other.You can kind of skip the whole thread if you haven't read it and start here if you want to help.

It's a Sony Vaio PCV-RX651 80G HD, 256MB ram, 1.72ghz running XP.

The previous owner left XP SP2 on it. I basically just went to add/remove and saw tons of bells and whistles, tool bars, etc, stress tested explorer and IE, and it ran decent, like 10x better than the other PC I made this thread about. Of course I wanted to fully reformat it to get the most performance out of it though.

Next, I did 14 passes with DBAN with the computer case open and a fan on the components and left it for a day untill it fininshed. Once wiped, I turned it off for an hour before formatting XP. Forums say DBAN can't damage hardware though.

The XP CDs I install from are sort of unknown burnt copies but legal with licenses and keys etc, but I was told they're just universal XP CDs. Again, as already said in this thread, I've had them say something like "file not found. Retry?" I hit Retry, and it continues. I had no errors like that from all the formats in this thread including this one though.

It's basically uselessly slow. The other PC I can barely put up with is DBAN'd and ready for recycling unless I fully reformat and update to SP3 and Update, so please pardon un-researched questions.

So I updated this computer from Windows SP1 to SP3 and did Windows Update hoping that would make it faster, but it didn't. It was
rediculously slow right after the XP install.

Could the XP CDs I have be damaged resulting in a slow OS even if no errors were displayed? Damaged in a way that damages hardware too?I checked online for XP OS CDs to buy to see if it's the CDs I used that are the problem. I thought an XP OS CD was an XP OS CD, but found specific brand and model ones with drivers for that machine. I guess those are obsolete compared to a plain/universal XP OS CD and going to the manufacturer's website to downlaod even more recent drivers, no? Though, again, the tons of updates I got for the other PC I made this thread about were all 'optional' except for a keyboard one.


Do you suggest I do anything different than this link? Can I just go to the downloads site right after windows installs instead of burning drivers to a CD?
http://esupport.sony.com/EN/osmig-test/xpclean.html

Drivers for my PC link: Suggestions? Looks like the important ones in the other link are missing from what they offer me.

I installed the fan one and it stopped running so loud. The other I tried said I 'need SP1 installed. please DL it from link' and I have sP3.
http://esupport.sony.com/US/p/model-home.pl?mdl=PCVRX651&template_id=1&region_id=1&tab=download#/downloadTab


Since I don't have any VAIO CD, do I need to get one even if I don't want the VAIO programs? Same with burning a Sony Shared Library insstall CD? Those programs seem like things I don't even need/can just download something similar if I do. I'm basically fine with just plain windows and adobe flash and reader.

Maybe I can save the PC I made this thread about too.



f6 to instlall RAID driver?

Thank you.

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Posted 06 November 2012 - 07:04 PM

Hi, if what you say about the computer specs. is true RE (It's a Sony Vaio PCV-RX651 80G HD, 256MB ram, 1.72ghz running XP. ) I'm surprised it even runs.
I believe the minimum ram recommended for XP is 1GB .




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Posted 06 November 2012 - 10:46 PM

^I said it ran decent before I formatted it. It was fine, pretty fast.

FWIW, I have more ram, but not sure it's compatable/will upgrade to a GIG.

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Posted 29 November 2012 - 09:01 PM

XP SP3 and it's updates with or w/out Norton barely runs with 1.7 ghz and 1GB ram.

Edited by slow235comp, 29 November 2012 - 09:02 PM.


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Posted 30 November 2012 - 05:06 AM

FWIW - VAIO PCV-RX651 Memory Specifications
Standard Memory 256 MB (removable)
Maximum Memory 1.0 GB
Memory Expansion 2 sockets




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