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#1 picklepaul56

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Posted 05 October 2012 - 04:48 PM

Hi all
have decided to build a new rig and thought it would be easy!splashed out on parts but now find they may not be compatible.
started with an amd 1100t black cpu- reveiws and ebay price suggested it was a better processor than the new bulldozers.I want to make a future proof media centre with a large
libary including my vinyl l.p.s and any I can scrounge !also c.d.s, d.v.ds and downloads and watch in H.D.

PARTS ARE-

Case ENERMAX ECA 3250 C.W. 1 case fan 120mm rear mounted. u.s.b 2+3
C.P.U. AMD 1100T black with A.M.D. C.P.U.cooler
M.B. ASUS M5A97PRO
P.S.U. ENERMAX 650w
SOUND INTERFACE M-Audio Audiophile 2496 PCI Audio Interface [to have audio imput from record deck via Quad amplifier]
2TB SEAGATE BARRACUDA 7200.14 64MB cache 6Gbps [have been advised to get another one and set them with RAID]
S.S.D. CRUCIAL M4 128GB SATA 6Gb/s 2.5 inch S.S.D
D.D.R.3 16GB kit 2-8GB SPORT DDR-3-1600[PC3-12800] CL9@1.5v [thats the one I now think is very wrong maybe needs to be 1066 not 1600 and looks like cpu will only support 4GB?]
OPTICAL DRIVE LG Internal blue ray disc rewriter BH10 [with light scribe function]
ADVANCE MULTI CARD READER
BLUE TOOTH DONGLE [yet to buy]
SYSTEM WINDOWS 7 64 bit

I have someone to assemble this for me but I think he`s fed up with my trouble choosing parts[I`ve read to many Micro Marts!]
SO LOOKING FOR CONSTRUCTIVE CRITICISM PLEASE and ADVICE! THANKS, Paul

Edited by picklepaul56, 05 October 2012 - 04:59 PM.


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Posted 05 October 2012 - 08:01 PM

That older CPU being better is subjective, depending on what you're doing. The FX CPU's are more efficient and, depending on what programs you are using, are either as fast or faster. Only programs that cannot take advantage of their unique architecture have lower performance when compared to Phenom II. You also need a graphics card, if you're not gaming, a Radeon 7750/7770, if you are gaming but don't want to spend a lot of money, the 7850/7870 are great. Also, keep in mind that Windows 8 will be out October 26, so you may want to wait.

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Posted 05 October 2012 - 10:38 PM

Is there a reason why you want to RAID the 2TB drive?

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Posted 05 October 2012 - 11:22 PM

Are you trying to make an HTPC to tie in to your entertainment system, or a system to use by itself with a monitor and powered speakers?

At this point in time for an HTPC, I would seriously lean towards an Trinity and FM2 board with a nice HTPC case.
http://www.newegg.com/Product/ProductList.aspx?Submit=ENE&N=100006519%2050001028%2040000343%20600372025&IsNodeId=1&name=Socket%20FM2
http://www.newegg.com/Product/ProductList.aspx?Submit=ENE&N=100007625%20600370105&IsNodeId=1&name=FM2
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16811112228

Just something to consider. (and nothing is futureproof)http://www.anandtech.com/show/6335/amds-trinity-an-htpc-perspective

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Posted 06 October 2012 - 03:38 AM

Hi all
Won`t there be on board graphics with M.B..
The Rig will run with my H.D.D. ready T.V. [32 inch],and my old audio amplifier and speakers,may install a second screen as a monitor see how the money goes!.
Really need to find out about that DDR3 thing,think I need to return 16GB kit but don`t know.
I should get a windows 8 upgrade option but it looks like it will take till the end of the month to get the right parts
I have been advised its good to back up files as it will take so long to load all my L.p.s [its a time investment thing] so the raid system was suggested
I would get another H.D. and install ,so would have mirror drives.
I did look at A.M.D. A8think it was5500? but could not find one to buy over here in England and then got too impatient!!!
Thanks for your imput people

Edited by picklepaul56, 06 October 2012 - 06:18 AM.


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Posted 06 October 2012 - 06:59 PM

Overclock.co.uk and ebuyer.com are two websites that sell PC components to the UK. Below is an idea, but you may want to get two drives with it instead of one. I would go for the SSD and a traditional hard drive. Below in AMD build I suggested for another member.

I priced out a build over at Overclock, a mid-range AMD build.

Motherboard: Gigabyte GA-970A-D3 AMD 970 AM3+ - With an AM3+ FX CPU, you should get a 900 series based motherboard chipset. The 970 is the basic, cost effective variant. 62.99

RAM: Corsair 2GB Value Select 1333MHz DDR3 - I would buy two of these. You don't really need more than 16GB unless you are doing some video editing. 8.51 per stick.

CPU: AMD FX-6100 Black Edition 6 Core 3.3GHz - This is not the fastest, nor slowest, FX CPU. You could get the FX-8120 or 8150, AMD should be releasing their upcoming Vishera CPU soon, which will take the AM3+ motherboard socket. 82.98

HDD: Seagate ST1000DM003 Barracuda 1TB SATA3 - This should be enough for most uses. 53.99

Case: Gigabyte GZ-X2 Black ATX - A good mid-range case, don't expect to cram huge top-tier graphics cards into it, however. 29.99

Power Supply: PowerCool 650W PC-650AUBA - I'm not familiar with this brand. This is enough to power most graphics cards. 38.99

ODD: Samsung SH-S222BB 22x SATA Dual Layer DVD-Rewritable Black - This is a standard DVD drive. 11.58

GPU: Asus 1024MB GDDR5 AMD Radeon HD 7750 - This is a mainstream graphics card. It can handle gaming well, but lacks the performance of the 7800 and 7900 series. 76.50

OS: Microsoft Windows 7 Home Premium 64Bit - You need this. Windows 8 will be out in about three weeks, you may want to wait until then. 67.50

Grand Total: 458.93, all of these prices include VAT.

If you want to save a bit of money and do not game, you can remove the GPU and swap out the motherboard and CPU for the components below.

Motherboard: Asus F1A75-V PRO AMD A75 Socket FM1 - AMD's new FM2 CPU's are out, but there aren't many in stock. 78.90

CPU: AMD Llano A8 X4 3850 Quad Core 2.9GHz Socket FM1 - This is AMD's APU design that has a graphics card on the CPU itself. The GPU isn't fantastic, but can handle all standard PC activities well and light gaming. Price 72.95

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Posted 07 October 2012 - 05:11 AM

Hi again
Thanks for that,but I guess my first post was not clear [learning on the hoof so to speak!] Those parts listed I actually have, sorry it wasn`t a "fantasy" build.
I can say that I sent back DDR3, when I get a refund fromm Micron,I will order RAM 2x4 Kingston or Crucial but need to find something at 1066 http://www.crucial.com/uk/store/partspecs.aspx?IMODULE=CT2KIT51272BB1067Q as I Found somthing on the ASUS Website about the 100 seris AMD C.P.U. only suporting that although the board will suport more 1133.MHz
Hope you guys can understand I was like a kid in a sweet [candy] shop! and now have to make the best of it.I could not resist a mini keyboard whilst looking for remote controls,its about the size of my flat hand!.
One thing I have noticed is we [in U.K.] pay in Pounds Stirling what you pay in U.S. Dollars and its not so cutting edge!.

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Posted 07 October 2012 - 06:41 PM

Hi again
Thanks for that,but I guess my first post was not clear [learning on the hoof so to speak!] Those parts listed I actually have, sorry it wasn`t a "fantasy" build.
I can say that I sent back DDR3, when I get a refund fromm Micron,I will order RAM 2x4 Kingston or Crucial but need to find something at 1066 http://www.crucial.com/uk/store/partspecs.aspx?IMODULE=CT2KIT51272BB1067Q as I Found somthing on the ASUS Website about the 100 seris AMD C.P.U. only suporting that although the board will suport more 1133.MHz
Hope you guys can understand I was like a kid in a sweet [candy] shop! and now have to make the best of it.I could not resist a mini keyboard whilst looking for remote controls,its about the size of my flat hand!.
One thing I have noticed is we [in U.K.] pay in Pounds Stirling what you pay in U.S. Dollars and its not so cutting edge!.


Dude your first ram set was good. I'd advice a min. of 1600mhz, 1066 is too slow the 1100t and 970 series motherboard will will be much faster with 1600mhz than 1066

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Posted 07 October 2012 - 07:02 PM

AMD has DDR3-1333 as their fastest standard for AM3/AM3+ CPU's. Anything over that is considered overclocked RAM. There isn't much difference between 1333 and 1600 RAM in terms of speed, but if you can get a good deal on 1600, go for it.

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Posted 08 October 2012 - 09:37 AM

AMD has DDR3-1333 as their fastest standard for AM3/AM3+ CPU's. Anything over that is considered overclocked RAM. There isn't much difference between 1333 and 1600 RAM in terms of speed, but if you can get a good deal on 1600, go for it.



Well now reading round the forum leads me to guess- 2x4 DDR3 at either 1333 or 1600 RAM will fit in with my build and run a G.P.U. say RADEON 7750 as suggested,by the way bought a sound card, its an M-AUDIO AUDIOPHILE 2496 .
Just had India on the phone trying to sell me some sort of M/S cleanup but sure my old computer is fine anyway would rather spend the loot on my new build,I think its a scam?
thanks Paul

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Posted 08 October 2012 - 03:19 PM

Yes it is definitely a scam when these type of calls come up.

Edited by killerx525, 08 October 2012 - 11:57 PM.

>Michael 
System1: CPU- Intel Core i7-5820K @ 4.4GHz, CPU Cooler- Noctua NH-D14, RAM- G.Skill Ripjaws 16GB Kit(4Gx4) DDR3 2133MHz, SSD/HDD- Samsung 850 EVO 250GB/Western Digital Caviar Black 1TB/Seagate Barracuada 3TB, GPU- 2x EVGA GTX980 Superclocked @1360/MHz1900MHz, Motherboard- Asus X99 Deluxe, Case- Custom Mac G5, PSU- EVGA P2-1000W, Soundcard- Realtek High Definition Audio, OS- Windows 10 Pro 64-Bit
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Posted 08 October 2012 - 05:16 PM

I agree with killerx525, he is right as usual.

Interesting reading here as regards scams: http://www.dslreports.com/forum/scambusters

https://www.google.com/search?sclient=psy-ab&hl=en&safe=off&site=&source=hp&q=uk+fake+mS+call&btnG=Search

Fake call from Microsoft

Virus phone scam being run from call centres in India
Britons targeted by cold callers pretending to be from Microsoft phoning to fix a fake computer problem

http://www.panwa.org.uk/news/scam.../141-fake-call-from-microsoft.html - Cached
The scam always starts the same way: the phone rings at someone's home, and the caller – usually with an Indian accent – asks for the householder, quoting ...


Does this remove any doubt that it was a scam?

Cheers
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Posted 09 October 2012 - 09:36 AM


AMD has DDR3-1333 as their fastest standard for AM3/AM3+ CPU's. Anything over that is considered overclocked RAM. There isn't much difference between 1333 and 1600 RAM in terms of speed, but if you can get a good deal on 1600, go for it.



Well now reading round the forum leads me to guess- 2x4 DDR3 at either 1333 or 1600 RAM will fit in with my build and run a G.P.U. say RADEON 7750 as suggested,by the way bought a sound card, its an M-AUDIO AUDIOPHILE 2496 .
Just had India on the phone trying to sell me some sort of M/S cleanup but sure my old computer is fine anyway would rather spend the loot on my new build,I think its a scam?
thanks Paul


Hi all
Still a little unclear about DDR3 RAM;If I bought the 1600 would I have to get `under the bonnet` to tweak it for overclocking or does it just happen?And then I guess I`d need an after market C.P.U. fan?
Thanks as always Paul

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Posted 09 October 2012 - 09:50 AM

Hi all
Still a little unclear about DDR3 RAM;If I bought the 1600 would I have to get `under the bonnet` to tweak it for overclocking or does it just happen?And then I guess I`d need an after market C.P.U. fan?
Thanks as always Paul

You would most likely have to get under the hood in the BIOS to set it to 1600. But that is memory. The only way you would need a better CPU fan would be if you were overclocking the CPU. Overclocking the Memory has no effect on the CPU.

You also said

Well now reading round the forum leads me to guess- 2x4 DDR3 at either 1333 or 1600 RAM will fit in with my build and run a G.P.U. say RADEON 7750

There is no correlation between the amount of memory on the Motherboard and GPU capability. GPU compatibility depends on the Slot it goes in and their being drivers for the windows version and if the power supply can handle the GPU load.
For example you could be running that card with Windows 7 and 1Gb of memory. The card would be fine. Windows would be slow due to the low amount of memory.

Good Luck With Your Build
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Posted 10 October 2012 - 12:07 AM

I suppose another reason to get a aftermarket cooler is for quietness.

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