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#1 44guy

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Posted 22 September 2012 - 05:54 PM

I have an older Gateway laptop, with a celeron processor. It is about 4 or 5 years old.
All of a sudden, two things happened:

1, The computer now has no sound. I went into device mgr etc and it states there is "no sound device", even though the sound driver is apparently installed and "works".

Although I don't know for sure, I believe the sound card may be part of the motherboard.
In the event it is not, my question is are there external sound card that can be puot on this computer, without the horror of trying to open up the laptop?

2, The screen display does also not work now. I know that on most monitors there is a flimsy connector behind the screen, which I have fixed on IBM computers when this happens, however, this screen does not appear to come apart easily. Before this, the screen, for a long time, had a white line down the middle, vertically, which I understand was the first sign of beginning to fail.

On this laptop, also, I do not see a ribbon
going into the screen, although there conceivably could be one somehow threaded through the screen hinges. I'm sure it is a connector problem because sometimes it will come on.

I am using an external monitor now, which works fine, but I would like someone's knowledgeable advice on how to get to the screen ribbon connector, without ruining the screen. Frankly, these laptops are a pain in the neck to work on.

I would appreciate advice on both of the above. Thanks

44 Guy

Edited by hamluis, 22 September 2012 - 06:09 PM.
Moved from XP to Internal Hardware - Hamluis.


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Posted 22 September 2012 - 06:08 PM

<<...it states there is "no sound device", even though the sound driver is apparently installed and "works".>>

Hmmm...how did you determine that...if there is no sound device reflected?

In any case, let's try the following:

Please download MiniToolBox , save it to your desktop and run it.

Checkmark the following checkboxes:
List last 10 Event Viewer log
List Installed Programs
List Users, Partitions and Memory size.

Click Go and paste the content into your next post.

Also...please Publish a Snapshot using Speccy - http://www.bleepingcomputer.com/forums/topic323892.html/page__p__1797792#entry1797792 .

Do you have the CDs which should have come with this laptop?

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Posted 22 September 2012 - 07:02 PM

Hamluis: I will try to paste results of the mini tool box results (2 different logs) and the Specy report, below.

I determined "no sound device" by going into device mgr scrolling down to "sound devices" and double clicking on it.
Got message :no sound device.

Yes, I have two C/Ds which came with the computer which are an
XP Small Business Disk and an XP Media disk.

This computer originally had VISTA, which I had yanked and replaced with XP, the minute I bought it. The guy at the store had the facility to do this. It has been working relatively well till now, although I have had to struggle with it through various things, mostly caused by deficient Microsoft software.

Let's see if I can post these reports. Too bad you can use attachments like in e mail:

MiniToolBox by Farbar Version: 23-07-2012
Ran by Robert (administrator) on 22-09-2012 at 19:39:41
Microsoft Windows XP Home Edition Service Pack 3 (X86)
Boot Mode: Normal
***************************************************************************

========================= Event log errors: ===============================

Application errors:
==================
Error: (09/22/2012 05:38:46 PM) (Source: MSSQLServerADHelper) (User: )
Description: '0' is an invalid number of start up parameters. This service takes two start up parameters.

Error: (09/22/2012 02:37:20 PM) (Source: ESENT) (User: )
Description: wuaueng.dll (3660) SUS20ClientDataStore: The version store for this instance (0) has reached its maximum size of 8Mb. It is likely that a long-running transaction is preventing cleanup of the version store and causing it to build up in size. Updates will be rejected until the long-running transaction has been completely committed or rolled back.

Possible long-running transaction:

SessionId: 0x02670320

Session-context: 0x00000000

Session-context ThreadId: 0x00000E50

Error: (09/22/2012 02:36:12 PM) (Source: ESENT) (User: )
Description: wuaueng.dll (3660) SUS20ClientDataStore: The version store for this instance (0) has reached its maximum size of 8Mb. It is likely that a long-running transaction is preventing cleanup of the version store and causing it to build up in size. Updates will be rejected until the long-running transaction has been completely committed or rolled back.

Possible long-running transaction:

SessionId: 0x02670320

Session-context: 0x00000000

Session-context ThreadId: 0x00000E50

Error: (09/22/2012 02:32:01 PM) (Source: ESENT) (User: )
Description: wuaueng.dll (3660) SUS20ClientDataStore: The version store for this instance (0) has reached its maximum size of 8Mb. It is likely that a long-running transaction is preventing cleanup of the version store and causing it to build up in size. Updates will be rejected until the long-running transaction has been completely committed or rolled back.

Possible long-running transaction:

SessionId: 0x02670320

Session-context: 0x00000000

Session-context ThreadId: 0x00000E50

Error: (09/22/2012 02:26:21 PM) (Source: MSSQLServerADHelper) (User: )
Description: '0' is an invalid number of start up parameters. This service takes two start up parameters.

Error: (09/21/2012 06:53:13 PM) (Source: MSSQLServerADHelper) (User: )
Description: '0' is an invalid number of start up parameters. This service takes two start up parameters.

Error: (09/21/2012 09:47:22 AM) (Source: ESENT) (User: )
Description: wuaueng.dll (3460) SUS20ClientDataStore: The version store for this instance (0) has reached its maximum size of 8Mb. It is likely that a long-running transaction is preventing cleanup of the version store and causing it to build up in size. Updates will be rejected until the long-running transaction has been completely committed or rolled back.

Possible long-running transaction:

SessionId: 0x026703C0

Session-context: 0x00000000

Session-context ThreadId: 0x00000620

Error: (09/21/2012 09:41:09 AM) (Source: MSSQLServerADHelper) (User: )
Description: '0' is an invalid number of start up parameters. This service takes two start up parameters.

Error: (09/20/2012 08:41:50 PM) (Source: MSSQLServerADHelper) (User: )
Description: '0' is an invalid number of start up parameters. This service takes two start up parameters.

Error: (09/20/2012 08:35:29 PM) (Source: MSSQLServerADHelper) (User: )
Description: '0' is an invalid number of start up parameters. This service takes two start up parameters.


System errors:
=============
Error: (09/22/2012 05:39:37 PM) (Source: Service Control Manager) (User: )
Description: The Routing and Remote Access service terminated with service-specific error 340 (0x154).

Error: (09/22/2012 05:39:09 PM) (Source: Service Control Manager) (User: )
Description: The SQL Server Active Directory Helper service terminated with service-specific error 3221225572 (0xC0000064).

Error: (09/22/2012 05:39:09 PM) (Source: Service Control Manager) (User: )
Description: The MCSTRM service failed to start due to the following error:
%%2

Error: (09/22/2012 05:39:09 PM) (Source: Service Control Manager) (User: )
Description: The Human Interface Device Access service terminated with the following error:
%%2

Error: (09/22/2012 05:39:09 PM) (Source: Service Control Manager) (User: )
Description: The ScRegSetValueExW call failed for FailureActions with the following error:
%%5

Error: (09/22/2012 05:39:09 PM) (Source: Service Control Manager) (User: )
Description: The ScRegSetValueExW call failed for FailureActions with the following error:
%%5

Error: (09/22/2012 02:27:29 PM) (Source: DCOM) (User: NT AUTHORITY)
Description: The server {4EB61BAC-A3B6-4760-9581-655041EF4D69} did not register with DCOM within the required timeout.

Error: (09/22/2012 02:27:08 PM) (Source: Service Control Manager) (User: )
Description: The Routing and Remote Access service terminated with service-specific error 340 (0x154).

Error: (09/22/2012 02:26:47 PM) (Source: Service Control Manager) (User: )
Description: The SQL Server Active Directory Helper service terminated with service-specific error 3221225572 (0xC0000064).

Error: (09/22/2012 02:26:47 PM) (Source: Service Control Manager) (User: )
Description: The MCSTRM service failed to start due to the following error:
%%2


Microsoft Office Sessions:
=========================
Error: (09/22/2012 05:38:46 PM) (Source: MSSQLServerADHelper)(User: )
Description: 0

Error: (09/22/2012 02:37:20 PM) (Source: ESENT)(User: )
Description: wuaueng.dll3660SUS20ClientDataStore: 080x026703200x000000000x00000E50

Error: (09/22/2012 02:36:12 PM) (Source: ESENT)(User: )
Description: wuaueng.dll3660SUS20ClientDataStore: 080x026703200x000000000x00000E50

Error: (09/22/2012 02:32:01 PM) (Source: ESENT)(User: )
Description: wuaueng.dll3660SUS20ClientDataStore: 080x026703200x000000000x00000E50

Error: (09/22/2012 02:26:21 PM) (Source: MSSQLServerADHelper)(User: )
Description: 0

Error: (09/21/2012 06:53:13 PM) (Source: MSSQLServerADHelper)(User: )
Description: 0

Error: (09/21/2012 09:47:22 AM) (Source: ESENT)(User: )
Description: wuaueng.dll3460SUS20ClientDataStore: 080x026703C00x000000000x00000620

Error: (09/21/2012 09:41:09 AM) (Source: MSSQLServerADHelper)(User: )
Description: 0

Error: (09/20/2012 08:41:50 PM) (Source: MSSQLServerADHelper)(User: )
Description: 0

Error: (09/20/2012 08:35:29 PM) (Source: MSSQLServerADHelper)(User: )
Description: 0


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========================= Devices: ================================

Name: Realtek RTL8185 54M Wireless LAN Network Adapter
Description: Realtek RTL8185 54M Wireless LAN Network Adapter
Class Guid: {4D36E972-E325-11CE-BFC1-08002BE10318}
Manufacturer: Realtek
Service: rtl8185
Problem: : This device is disabled. (Code 22)
Resolution: In Device Manager, click "Action", and then click "Enable Device". This starts the Enable Device wizard. Follow the instructions.


========================= Memory info: ===================================

Percentage of memory in use: 99%
Total physical RAM: 958.04 MB
Available physical RAM: 6.69 MB
Total Pagefile: 2312.89 MB
Available Pagefile: 1260.07 MB
Total Virtual: 2047.88 MB
Available Virtual: 1968.87 MB

========================= Partitions: =====================================

2 Drive c: () (Fixed) (Total:74.52 GB) (Free:50.61 GB) NTFS

========================= Users: ========================================

User accounts for \\ROBERT-EE90CD16

Administrator ASPNET Guest
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**** End of log ****




Should have pasted four different reports...not sure that I did this correctly. Let me know.

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Posted 23 September 2012 - 08:32 PM

If you correctly follow the directions for generating a Speccy report,..the only output to post will be a link. The only report requiring pasting of any sort...is the 1 MiniToolBox report (which is pasted).

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Posted 24 September 2012 - 08:00 PM

Speccy link, you should have told me, is generated from File menu..it does not automatically come up.

http://speccy.piriform.com/results/Y5MVhK4ypBU6lSHNqr0WRA5


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Posted 25 September 2012 - 04:41 PM

What model system is this, please?

I suggest that you cease using FixCleaner.

Bleeping Computer DOES NOT recommend the use of registry cleaners/optimizers for several reasons:
  • Registry cleaners are extremely powerful applications that can damage the registry by using aggressive cleaning routines and cause your computer to become unbootable.

    The Windows registry is a central repository (database) for storing configuration data, user settings and machine-dependent settings, and options for the operating system. It contains information and settings for all hardware, software, users, and preferences. Whenever a user makes changes to settings, file associations, system policies, or installed software, the changes are reflected and stored in this repository. The registry is a crucial component because it is where Windows "remembers" all this information, how it works together, how Windows boots the system and what files it uses when it does. The registry is also a vulnerable subsystem, in that relatively small changes done incorrectly can render the system inoperable. For a more detailed explanation, read Understanding The Registry.
  • Not all registry cleaners are created equal. There are a number of them available but they do not all work entirely the same way. Each vendor uses different criteria as to what constitutes a "bad entry". One cleaner may find entries on your system that will not cause problems when removed, another may not find the same entries, and still another may want to remove entries required for a program to work.
  • Not all registry cleaners create a backup of the registry before making changes. If the changes prevent the system from booting up, then there is no backup available to restore it in order to regain functionality. A backup of the registry is essential BEFORE making any changes to the registry.
  • Improperly removing registry entries can hamper malware disinfection and make the removal process more difficult if your computer becomes infected. For example, removing malware related registry entries before the infection is properly identified can contribute to system instability and even make the malware undetectable to removal tools.
  • The usefulness of cleaning the registry is highly overrated and can be dangerous. In most cases, using a cleaner to remove obsolete, invalid, and erroneous entries does not affect system performance but it can result in "unpredictable results".

Unless you have a particular problem that requires a registry edit to correct it, I would suggest you leave the registry alone. Using registry cleaning tools unnecessarily or incorrectly could lead to disastrous effects on your operating system such as preventing it from ever starting again. For routine use, the benefits to your computer are negligible while the potential risks are great.
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Edited by hamluis, 25 September 2012 - 05:01 PM.


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Posted 25 September 2012 - 06:54 PM

The laptop is running on high temperature readings. There is a probability that its going to retire if the cause of this screen display problem is from overheating.

This computer originally had VISTA

Did you find an XP audio driver on gateway support site?

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Posted 26 September 2012 - 11:23 AM

Gentlemen: in response to your reply questions:

1. Laptop is Gateway model #ML3109.

2. I have not searched the Gateway site for a driver, since the computer indicates the current driver is okay.

3. As to running hot, I don't know what I can do about that. I keep the lap top elevated on two boards, which do not block any air intakes. I must tell you that this laptop is on all day at my place of business and I sometimes also run it at home in the evening. I doubt seriously that this has anyting to do with the lap tops monitor. At any rate, I am using an exterior flat screen monitor now, which works fine.

If you have suggestions for cooling it down, let me know.

4. As to FixCleaner, I know your policy on registry cleaners. I rarely use it, however, in their defense, their support team was the only way I was able to fix the print spooler from constantly shutting off. Although I generally agree with you, they seem to care about their customers and to have some expertise which can help you at times.

Getting back to the "no sound" situation, I can't understand what this could be other than a hardware problem...is the sound card on this computer part of the motherboard, or does is plug in? Is is possible to provide another sound card by USB connection?

I'm sure you are pursuing ideas I can't think of, and I appreciate it and look forward to your advice as to whether there is any solution to the "no sound" situation.

Thank you for your efforts.

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Posted 26 September 2012 - 11:58 AM

FWIW: The temps that I looked at for the CPU are well under the stated maximum temperature (100 Celsius) and the hard drive temperature is in the normal range for hard drives.

Your system has onboard sound (provided by motherboard), it's a laptop.

http://support.gateway.com/s/Mobile/2007/Apache/1014550R/1014550Rsp2.shtml

Gateway lists no XP drivers for that system, http://support.gateway.com/us/en/product/default.aspx?partNumber=1014550R . Unless that motherboard has been changed,

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Posted 26 September 2012 - 12:19 PM

Have you attempted to uninstall and reinstall the driver in device manager?

On a side note I've got to agree with hamluis. Stay away from automated "registry cleaner" software. If there is indeed something that needs to be fixed or removed, it is better done with discretion by or under the guidance of an experienced person using regedit. More than once, I've had customers clean their registries into a no-boot oblivion because a free program told them to do so.
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Posted 26 September 2012 - 01:19 PM

Thank you Gentlemen: As I figured, the sound device is in the motherboard. Apparently it has cashed it in and is no more.

Yes, I have tried reinstalling the driver. I get a message that the driver is good, so it must be a hardware problem, which, I take it, we cannot solve.

Yes, I will delete Fixcleaner, as you recommend.

I guess it's time to look for another computer, which I use mainly for wordprocessing in business and for computer e mails and research. I'm told to wait for Windows 8 to come out, because Windows 7 is a real dog. So, I guess I should try to limp along until late October.

I'd really like an Apple, but the price is a big much.
Any recommendations? Is Asuz still a good computer? I see Best Buy is selling it, which makes me think it is not what it used to be.

Do I need a later dual core, such as i5, 6 or 7 for Windows 8?

What's a good AMD processor...I lost track of their offerings.

Thanks.

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Posted 26 September 2012 - 01:33 PM

No, you do not need a high-end processor to run Windows 8. Microsoft is working to ensure backwards hardware compatibility with operating systems. That is to say, a system that had Windows 7 should be able to run Windows 8, etc.

The FX8150 is showing the highest benchmark based on what I just looked at, $189.99
The Phenom II X4 and Phenom II X6 also perform well, and the unlocked versions of all three are good for overclocking.

If you intend on doing high-end graphics/computing for games or professional applications like CAD or Adobe CS, you might wish to look into Intel Core i5 processors, however for general computing needs I typically recommend AMD processors because of the lower price :)
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Posted 26 September 2012 - 01:54 PM

Thanks MD, but I have to confess I don't know what the FX1850
and the Phenoms are - a computer? A Processor?
Who makes it--what brand?

I lost track of AMD processor numbers. Is that what FX1850 and the Phenoms are?????

I appreciate your help very much.

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p.s. Are you anywhere near Poolesville? Years ago I went to Lehigh University with two guys from Poolesville... wild and crazy guys, for sure!

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Posted 26 September 2012 - 02:16 PM

<<I'm told to wait for Windows 8 to come out, because Windows 7 is a real dog>>

Well...opinions abound...but we should always remember that opinions are not facts. But, moving beyond that...you probably ought to do a little reading and less listening to unfounded opinions...and compare for yourself what is currently known about Win 7 and Win 8.

For starters...see the following:

Windows 7 vs Windows 8- Comparisons and Specs - http://windows7vswindows8.com/

Windows 8 vs. Windows 7 Benchmarked ZDNet - http://www.zdnet.com/windows-8-vs-windows-7-benchmarked-7000002671/

Google Results

As for buying a new computer system...there are a few steps I consider basic to not regrettting in which direction I throw my money.

a. Do some reading. The jargon used in ComputerLand about systems and components...can be confusing. I find Google to be a great tool for such.

b. Define what my needs are first, then define my wants. Any purchase should address one or the other or, possibly, both.

c. Determine how much money I'm willing to part with.

d. Determine if I am capable and willing...regarding the support/maintenance the new system will require. Users who cannot/do not want to involve themselves in such...are probably better suited for an OEM system built/sold by Dell, Lenovo, et alia, who remove that "burden" from the hands of those who cannot/do not want to handle it.

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Posted 26 September 2012 - 03:17 PM

FX8150 and Phenoms are processors. As hamluis stated, what I gave was just my opinion. You should definitely form your own since you will be the one using the computer.

One fact I can firmly state though, any computer which can handle Windows 7 can also handle Windows 8.
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