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#1 daic

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Posted 02 September 2012 - 03:50 PM

Hello,

I am currently selecting new parts to build a computer.
The computer will be used for gaming (MMORG and the like), Video editing (using x64 bit video editing software), and of course normal internet use.

I will be getting the MAX memory (64 GB on this motherboard), or close to it (since the 2400 memory doesn't have 8GB ram stick yet).
The PC tower itself (with included parts) will cost me around $1600.00, (Not including Mouse/Keyboard, Monitor, Speakers).


I believe I am going to go with:
Intel Core i7-3820 Sandy Bridge-E 3.6GHz (3.8GHz Turbo Boost) LGA 2011 130W Quad-Core Desktop Processor BX80619i73820
ASUS P9X79 PRO LGA 2011 Intel X79 SATA 6Gb/s USB 3.0 ATX Intel Motherboard with USB BIOS


Anyone have any ideas weather these two products are worth the cost, or what would compliment the system build (IE: Computer case, or Memory that would compliment the motherboard/CPU).

Also, I am still considering which motherboard to get, as there are 3 versions of this motherboard: Normal, PRO, and Deluxe.

~Thank you for your time, anything helps, please post your opinions.
-daic


P.S. If further clarification is needed, please let me know.

Edited by hamluis, 03 September 2012 - 05:55 AM.
Moved from Internal Hardware to System Building - Hamluis.

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Posted 03 September 2012 - 10:27 AM

64gb of ram!?!

That is a LOT. I really don't think you will utilize a entire 64 gigs. I use 8gb with my gaming pc and never utilized an entire 8 gigs. But who knows, I never really got into video editing and maybe rendering videos requires a lot more ram.

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Posted 03 September 2012 - 02:29 PM

Why do you need so much memory? Most gaming computers need 8GB but I'm not too sure about video editing, 3D rendering may require more however. Depending on what you are editing, 16GB may be a good amount. What program are you going to be using to edit the videos and what is the memory footprint during editing?

Unless you are doing some hardcore video editing, or using this computer mostly as a work related PC for video editing, there are most likely some lower cost alternatives. Remember, the LGA 2011 platform is designed for enthusiasts and is priced appropriately.

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Posted 03 September 2012 - 03:30 PM

64gb of ram!?!

That is a LOT. I really don't think you will utilize a entire 64 gigs. I use 8gb with my gaming pc and never utilized an entire 8 gigs. But who knows, I never really got into video editing and maybe rendering videos requires a lot more ram.


Why do you need so much memory? Most gaming computers need 8GB but I'm not too sure about video editing, 3D rendering may require more however. Depending on what you are editing, 16GB may be a good amount. What program are you going to be using to edit the videos and what is the memory footprint during editing?

Unless you are doing some hardcore video editing, or using this computer mostly as a work related PC for video editing, there are most likely some lower cost alternatives. Remember, the LGA 2011 platform is designed for enthusiasts and is priced appropriately.


Thank you both for replying.
With the higher end RAM (2400 i believe) i will most likely settle for 16 to 32 gb.

For video editing, most of the higher end programs require a 64Bit system (Like Adobe CS5). The more RAM the better the file is rendered, since there is no delay in system response, which also entails the ending file size to be smaller.
I am not sure of the memory footprint during editing.

The excess in ram is also due to wanting to 'alt-tab' during heavy action while playing a game, should the need arise.
This could be in the category of "heavy multi-tasking".

Those are a couple things i can think of at the moment. This computer is also being built to not need to be upgraded for some years, thus the excessive nature on the overall price.

Again, thanks for replying. I am also still considering which version of the motherboard to get, brand of memory, and also the case+fans.

~thanks for your time
-daic

P.S. Thanks also to Hamulus for moving this into the correct section.

EDIT: Another thing I forgot to mention, is if it's best to go with a Single High End Video Card or to go with SLI/Crossfire.

Edited by daic, 03 September 2012 - 05:32 PM.

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Posted 03 September 2012 - 06:00 PM

More RAM doesn't equal a better quality video. The video file is on the hard drive and, when needed by the CPU, the needed bits move to the RAM and finally the CPU. More RAM may equal a faster render, but that depends on how the program utilizes the RAM. Windows 7 and 8 also manage the RAM a bit differently by loading some programs in it to increase speed. To further increase speed, I would go for a large SSD. I currently have 16GB of RAM with Zune, Raptr, File Explorer, ten windows open in IE 64-bit, Windows Live Mail, and Steam going, so far, only 4GB of memory is being used.

With alt-tab and games, unless the games are native 64-bit, they are limited to 4GB of address space. Moreover, not all games support alt-tabbing flawlessly, some may introduce graphical artifacts, some may have reduced stability, some may simply not allow alt-tabbing at all.

With GPU's, it is usually best go for a single high-end GPU, then add another one later on, preferably once the model you already have goes EOL.

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Posted 03 September 2012 - 06:32 PM

More RAM doesn't equal a better quality video. The video file is on the hard drive and, when needed by the CPU, the needed bits move to the RAM and finally the CPU. More RAM may equal a faster render, but that depends on how the program utilizes the RAM. Windows 7 and 8 also manage the RAM a bit differently by loading some programs in it to increase speed. To further increase speed, I would go for a large SSD. I currently have 16GB of RAM with Zune, Raptr, File Explorer, ten windows open in IE 64-bit, Windows Live Mail, and Steam going, so far, only 4GB of memory is being used.

With alt-tab and games, unless the games are native 64-bit, they are limited to 4GB of address space. Moreover, not all games support alt-tabbing flawlessly, some may introduce graphical artifacts, some may have reduced stability, some may simply not allow alt-tabbing at all.

With GPU's, it is usually best go for a single high-end GPU, then add another one later on, preferably once the model you already have goes EOL.


Thanks again for repling.
It was not my intention for it to sound like the more RAM i have the better the Video will become. That of course it not the case.
The extra RAM is just so I am able to do thing while a video is rendering, and not make the final move 'skip/jolt' during playback, which trickles down to the cause of why the movie would come out to a bigger size if this occurs.

Furthermore, other than the overall RAM to be used and GPU (thank you for the tid-bit about that, that was also something i considered, solves my concern on that), here is whats left to consider:

Case: Needs to stay cool (probably going with one that can have a few decent ones attached to the frame) since the room the computer is in, tends to get overly hot. Also, to not have to deal with overheating issues in the future. (IE: when a second GPU is installed)

Case Fans: Haven't searched for these in some time as well, any suggestions?

Ram: Any suggestion on which Manufacturer to look into for the higher end sets? Whichever I go with will be what i use to max out the system (should it be 32GB, 64GB, et cetra)

Power Supply: This obviously has to rate at the correct watts to work with the GPU; how much would you recommend going over the suggested amount, to insure that there is no power issues (this can be replaced later, should adding a second card require the additional power)

This is all i can thing about at the moment, will add more if i am able.

~Thank again for taking the time
-daic

P.S. Query:
When the motherboard states this: (as shown on newegg.com of product page)
8×240pin DDR3 2400(O.C.)/2133(O.C.)/1866/1600/1333/1066

This entails that the DDR3 2400 RAM can be used when the board is OverCharged, correct?

Edited by daic, 03 September 2012 - 06:34 PM.

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Posted 03 September 2012 - 07:15 PM

Case: Commonly used are the Mid-towers. They should provide enough room for 2 GPUs, depending on the size. You have a lot of choices in this area.
Great reviews is the HAF X, it does have a lot of plastic though so It may feel cheap. But it is a great case IMO.
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16811119233

The 2nd one I recommend in the Antec nine hundred, awesome case. TONS of room.
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16811129021


Case Fans: You can basically go with any fans, there are high performance fans (ones that spin at a higher RPM), quiet fans, cheap fans, LED fans, all sorts. Generally, you want as big as you can go because they move more air /rpm.

Ram: Alright, you want good quality ram. The cheap stuff wont do justice. Theres great brands out there, G.Skill (particularly for gaming), Corsair, Crucial, Patriot, Kingston. You want to look at first what ram your mobo uses, DDR3, DDR2, DDR. Most mobos nowadays use 240 pin DDR3. If shopping at Newegg or any large retailer, look at the reviews, the timings, Mhz, all that. I personally wouldn't get 64gb of ram, 32gb at max.
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820231507

Power Supply: 2 GPUs will use a lot of wattage. You are probably looking at 700-1000 watts. Theres nothing wrong with going overboard, people tend to do that. Extra wattage never hurts. Again though, look at the reviews, I'd recommend modular (Better cable management, you plug in the cables you need and not have a ball of molex cables bunched up in the bottom of your case.) Corsair makes fantastic PSU IMO.
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16817139011

So yeah, reviews help, do a little research into each model.

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Posted 03 September 2012 - 08:27 PM

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Thank you for all you're input, it helped me narrow down my search.

I was also looking more into the ASUS P9X79, ASUS P9X79 PRO, and the ASUS P9X79 Deluxe. I will be going with the ASUS P9X79 PRO, if i wanted to put a little more into the motherboard id go for the ASUS P9X79 Deluxe (just to have the Bluetooth v3.0 instead of the v2.1)

I will search a little more into the motherboard, i do like the LGA 2011, although the LGA 1155 motherboards are cheaper.

If anything has anything else to add, please feel free to do so.
I will post back with my findings.

~Thanks again everyone
-daic

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Posted 04 September 2012 - 11:59 AM

When a motherboard lists RAM as (O.C.) or it goes past what is considered normal for a platform, that typically means you can install RAM rated for that speed by default, however, you may need to go into the BIOS to enable that speed. For instance, I'm using DDR3-1600 on an AM3+ platform which is rated at DDR3-1333 speeds, but the motherboard can accept 1600 if I go into the BIOS and specifically enable it. However, the jump from 1333 to 1600 is so minor, there is almost no reason to do this.

The case is largely determined by the graphics cards, a longer card should have a longer case. If you use multiple cards, you really should get a larger case. Which card have you chosen? I would go for either the Radeon 7900 series or GTX 680. I currently use the XIGMATEK Cooling System XLF XLF-F1255 in my full-ATX case.

As for which platform to use, the LGA 2011 is meant for an enthusiast who wants the best no matter the cost. This leaves the LGA 1155 and AMD platforms for everyone else. LGA 1155 2500/2500K/2600/2600K are nearly equal to AMD's FX-8150. With the FX, the more threads that are thrown at the CPU, the better it does. Same with a program that prefers actual CPU cores to HyperThreading. You may want to check to see, you could have a solid alternative there. Unfortunately, the FX does use a bit more power than the 2500K/2600K at load, and when overclocked, the power usage is much higher. Moreover, the design is unusual and performance is slightly hindered on Windows 7, you need Windows 8 to get the maximum benefit.

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Posted 05 September 2012 - 12:49 AM

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Thank you for your input, sorry for the delay in my response, you're input is appreciated.

I currently don't have a set Video Card yet (though i do have an idea) as I'm still finalizing the other items.
As with your description of the LGA 2011 and the rest, I think i'll be sticking with the LGA2011. The P9X79 board is a bit over the top, but I am looking for that in this build.

When I do have more of a finalized set of what i am going to purchase, I will post them here.
Of course, I will add any other tid-bit I think of in the meantime.

~Thanks again for the reply, and also to everyone else who has given a response.
-daic

Edited by daic, 05 September 2012 - 12:50 AM.

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Posted 05 September 2012 - 01:02 AM

You might be interested in the 7970 GHz Edition which is currently the fastest graphics card on the market with the GTX680 closely following by.

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Posted 05 September 2012 - 01:05 AM

You might be interested in the 7970 GHz Edition which is currently the fastest graphics card on the market with the GTX680 closely following by.


Thank you for your reply.

I will keep this Video Card in mind when I start delving more into the Video Card portion.

~Thanks again
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Posted 06 September 2012 - 06:30 PM

Some Stray thoughts. I do edit / Encode/ Author to BluRay My HD 1080i video captures and and do other things on the computer. I notice no lag doing other things when encoding. I run an Older I7 930. 6Gbs Triple channel memory. The encode would go faster with a newer CPU. I just haven't been able to justify in my mind the expense versus the small increase in speed for a newer CPU and Motherboard.

For Me 6Gb has been more than enough, If it does need more the virtual memory being on a SSD has a low impact on the system performance.

Best performance for video work is read the file from one physical hard drive D: for example, encode to another Physical hard drive E:(not a partition) and author to the second hard drive D:.
This allows the video software to get the maximum read and write speeds. The only way to go better would be to use SSD boot drive + SSD D: and a SSD E: and a regular hard drive for miscellaneous storage.

Not Enough memory or CPU power will have no effect on file size. filesize = bitrate x running time. It will affect encode times.

Raise or lower either one and the file size goes up or down. Resolution doesn't even come into it it is simply filesize = bitrate x running time nothing else can affect it.

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Posted 06 September 2012 - 07:11 PM

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Thanks for replying!
You are correct, the hard drive read time is where it counts. But a lower end computer running an encode, if used, causes the computer to think, and there fore the file becomes longer.

I aim to be able to play games (etc) while doing an encode. That way, should the need arise to do so, there will be no doubt that there is sufficient performance to do both without extra load times or the encoding becoming compromised.

This computer is OVER the top, but this is what I am looking for as I don't want upgrade later.

As of right now, at the initial purchase, I will be dropping the memory down in GB.
I am still debating on doing the same for the Video Card and the Power Supply, and upgrade the three at a later time.

Still looking over everything, though, I can't wait for when this built is completed.

~Thanks again
-daic

Edited by daic, 06 September 2012 - 07:13 PM.

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