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#1 Darren De Wilde

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Posted 13 March 2006 - 11:03 AM

Could any of you guys shed some light on whether or not to study for MCSE?

I read on one site that they are changing the MCSE certification..I have been thinking about it for a while but am a bit scared of it if you get my drift...I do have a passion for Windows but reading the exam practice questions make the whole thing very daunting.

Is there a good market share in the IT world for MCSE certified people or is it all just a licence to print money for Mr Gates?..Of course I will complete an A+ certification but I would like to be fully loaded with knowledge backed up on paper...

Thank you for your advice as always

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Posted 13 March 2006 - 11:31 AM

Is there a good market share in the IT world for MCSE certified people or is it all just a licence to print money for Mr Gates?

Yes and Yes :thumbsup: A+ = kids stuff
MS also has it's second shot program going until june 30th.
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Posted 13 March 2006 - 08:33 PM

I have heard this certification but never looked into it. What are the costs?
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Posted 14 March 2006 - 04:48 PM

I don't know what the tests cost, but I see that training can cost $5-7,000.
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Posted 14 March 2006 - 06:22 PM

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Posted 14 March 2006 - 08:38 PM

Darren De Wilde:

Any certification that you do in a classroom setting, taught by a MS certified trainer, will not be cheap. If you're not working in the IT field now, these courses can be a waste of time and money. When I started my first job in an IT related job, I had a wall full of paper certification(not really). The certification helped me get my first job...but, the tech that I worked with that had no certifications.... knew more than I did... and he had no certifications, and a few years of experience...

With all that said, if I were to hire someone with no experience, I would want them to have a base level of certification so I wouldn't have to spend a lot of time training him/her. A+, Network +, MCP, a post secondary education, and all the soft skills that we are looking for, might get you an entry level job. After you get in the door, you can worry about filling your wall with certifications. Most places that I worked for will pay for the Training/Certification tests. My current employer gives us access to a full library of online training.

If I had to do it on my own, I would read the MCP books and practice my skills on a test computer(s).
I also couldn't live without the practice tests.

Good-luck. :thumbsup:
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Posted 14 March 2006 - 11:20 PM

Good to know. I retire in 42 months at the ripe old age of 49. I think this could be something I would be interested in.
Sorry if I hijack the thread.
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Posted 15 March 2006 - 07:31 AM

might get you an entry level job

What does this mean? I have come to see this mean several things. It could mean $8 per hour job at a major retailer, or it could mean $50,000 a year with benefits. I was just curious as to what you were referring to. Thanks.

I appreciate the info regarding MCP. I was not aware of it's existence. But I will now follow it's path...
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Posted 15 March 2006 - 03:56 PM

What does this mean? I have come to see this mean several things. It could mean $8 per hour job at a major retailer, or it could mean $50,000 a year with benefits. I was just curious as to what you were referring to. Thanks.


AF: I was using my workplace as an example, which isn't the $8 per hour job....Most individuals that start off at an $8 and hour job, if they are any good and are willing to work on their skills, can move on to something bigger and better after some time.

At my workplace, we use Novell Netware on our server and Windows 2000 on the desktops. In that environment, there was no point in me getting my full MSCE.(unless I was looking for work elsewhere). I stuck with a MCP in Windows 2000, and the Novell certification -CNA/CNE. MS also offers the MCDST certification - Looks like another good entry level certification.

acklan:With the lab of computers that you have at home....and the experience you're getting helping around here, I am sure you won't have any problems. After you do a couple of the tests, you get used to the type of questions that you will get. Again, I wouldn't study without the practice tests.
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Posted 15 March 2006 - 04:30 PM

At my workplace, we use Novell Netware on our server and Windows 2000 on the desktops. In that environment, there was no point in me getting my full MSCE.(unless I was looking for work elsewhere). I stuck with a MCP in Windows 2000, and the Novell certification -CNA/CNE. MS also offers the MCDST certification - Looks like another good entry level certification.

Thanks. I am looking into it. I do not work in a corporate setting, and rarely work with servers or Windows 2000 for that matter. MCP in XP, or MCDST might be good for me. I already have A+, and 4 Dell certs (Inspiron, Latitude, Desktops, and Servers).
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Posted 16 March 2006 - 10:52 AM

Thanks Joshuacat. I will start looking into that very soon.
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Posted 16 March 2006 - 11:03 AM

Can I use the equipment I have now to experiment on? Is it too old? P-III vintage. Paralell print server.
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Posted 16 March 2006 - 03:46 PM

I have been working in the industry since 1985 and I don't have any certifications. One of my fellow techs does have some certifications, but says he won't get any more certs because thay are just a piece of paper. People just cram before the tests and pass them, but don't retain much of what they studied. Some employers require MCSE cert, some don't. Some want MCSE plus experience, how can you get experience if they don't give you a job? I BS'ed my way into a job with computers, started in the parts department shipping bad parts out for repairs and such. I asked the techs a lot of questions and learned quite a bit this way. Finally they were hiring another tech and I asked for a shot at it, I got it and got 15 years experience from this place. It's good to have somebody you know pull a string or 2 to help you land the first job, once you get experience you have a little room to play with. Personally I wouldn't worry about getting a cert, try to get some experience first if you can. Good Luck!

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Posted 28 March 2006 - 08:12 PM

Right now I'm just optimizing peoples comps to run good..for free for the experience (usually consisting of porn site removal, bad attachment and download consequences, bad security management et. al). I havent one single cert, but learn from others (such as on here :-))..I feel that xpereience is a pre-requisite to many certs because it is hands on. Also, by helping others for free I get to deal with a wide range of problems from which I can familiarize myself with. MCSE looks extremely daunting, but then so do all cert courses if your not on the level. Right now I'm not, but I'm a fast learner. I learnt with win 3.x deleting files and altering command.com to note the results...very edgy but I sure learnt the hard way..and the best way..:-)


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Posted 28 March 2006 - 08:18 PM

A+ is a great place to start, because it covers computer hardware and basic operating system stuff (mostly Windows).
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