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#1 sumguy#1

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Posted 23 April 2012 - 02:32 AM

Hi:

First post. I lost my wireless connection from my landlord's [LL's] house. I am in a separate rental unit 300' from my LL's house. I route off of his DSL wireless connection which is a open system, no security.

I had 5 full bars and 54mbps connection for a few months and now no connection. Although my Internet icon shows no Internet connection, it shows that my network is there in Network & Sharing. That I have a excellent connection w/54mbps, but no Internet. On the occasions that I did show I was Internet connected and when I opened a page it would spin endlessly and then time itself out and disconnect. Basically I couldn't do anything with my computer.

When I walk over to my LL's house close to his router I am okay and my computer runs normally as it is now. This is using my internal Intel adapter.

So I am lost as to how or why I lost my connection using the same setup [router/adapter] now, that I was using before. I figure either my configuration on my router is wrong, but I haven't changed anything. Or my new router & new adapter are both malfunctioning. Or my LL has filtered my devices [router/adapter] from within his router settings preventing me from connecting to his signal.

My OS is Vista, 32 bit, approx. 2 1/2 years old. Currently using a Alfa R36 router and AWUS036H adapter.

Any help appreciated, thanks.

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Posted 23 April 2012 - 09:43 AM

A Open wirless is not one of my favorite things to talk about sense it deals with "borrowing his internet" Its kind of on a grey area

From what I can tell you that when you get close to his AP it can get better signal but Does he know that you are using his AP point.

He made of put some security measures in place to prevent someone from unauthorized access

Edited by coxchris, 23 April 2012 - 10:23 AM.

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#3 sumguy#1

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Posted 23 April 2012 - 01:45 PM

That was part of the rental agreement, that I would have Internet. So given my first post, the only way I can figure whether he made changes or not to his router settings is to hook up my computer to his router via Ethernet. Anyone agree/disagree with this?

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Posted 23 April 2012 - 08:14 PM

This is using my internal Intel adapter

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Have you tried using the network adapter connecting your router as access point instead of the usb one? Or maybe checking the usb adapter on how it affects range or distance to signal problem. Maybe you could talk to other rooms having the same setup which they could also be experiencing. I wonder why LAN or wired connection is not available given you have a router available as your access point which is more stable.

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Posted 23 April 2012 - 08:39 PM

jhaz: This is using my internal Intel adapter[/quote].
Have you tried using the network adapter connecting your router as access point instead of the usb one?

sumguy: Not to sure what you are asking, but are you saying try using my internal adapter to connect to my router? If so, given the distance between me and my LL's router the internal adapter definitely won't cut it. The USB adapter is much stronger.

Or maybe checking the usb adapter on how it affects range or distance to signal problem.

sumguy: As stated in initial post, I had 54mbps with this setup.

Maybe you could talk to other rooms having the same setup which they could also be experiencing.

sumguy: The other renter doesn't have a connection issue because they are in the same house as the LL, whereas I am not.


I wonder why LAN or wired connection is not available given you have a router available as your access point which is more stable.

sumguy: Not to sure why I would have a wired connection given the distance between me and LL's wireless router. I sent my router and adapter back to where I purchased it to see if there is any issues with either.

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Posted 23 April 2012 - 08:57 PM

Ok. I think the first suggestion about an open network is best to look into also. Since you are trying to bridge your router with your LL's home network, make sure it is setup with a security encryption. Good to hear you also sent it back for replacement as one could be faulty. With 54 mbps :o connection speed, that is crazy fast for a dsl connection.

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Posted 23 April 2012 - 10:46 PM

'jhayz':
Ok. I think the first suggestion about an open network is best to look into also.

Reply [R.]: I tend to agree, but this is my LL? But I guess the rationale is that his router has its own firewall?

jh: Since you are trying to bridge your router with your LL's home network, make sure it is setup with a security encryption.

R. I was using WPA-2/AES for security. I have heard that WPA-2 and Vista don't work well together? But I have no clue how valid this is?

jh: Good to hear you also sent it back for replacement as one could be faulty.

Sumguy: Cost $10-12 for shipping. Sent it back for testing, if faulty, I guess I get a new one. If okay, it comes back to me and I can eliminate that as a cause of connection issues.

With 54 mbps connection speed, that is crazy fast for a dsl connection.

Sumguy: 54 mbps is okay with me on a "G" channel. But does me no good if I just spin wheels while on a Internet page, times out and disconnects?
Crazy fast would be like 270 mbps on a "N' connection, but my LL has his router set to factory auto.

I did find that my LL has not filtered my devices on his router, so that also eliminates that possibility.

So at this point I'm thinking either defective router or adapter, or my configuration is somehow out of line?

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Posted 24 April 2012 - 09:38 AM

On Windows 7 There is a Network Troubleshooter in Control Panels Please run Network and Internet. Windows Vista and Windows 7 are the same thing

http://windows.microsoft.com/en-US/windows-vista/Troubleshoot-network-connection-problems

Please also do a Start search box>cmd press enter

run the commands

ipconfig /flushdns
ipconfig /release
ipconfig /renew

I am running from a G adapter fine

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Posted 24 April 2012 - 01:24 PM

Please also do a Start search box>cmd press enter

run the commands

ipconfig /flushdns
ipconfig /release
ipconfig /renew


Also post the contents of a ipconfig /all command if those commands don't fix the problem.

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Posted 24 April 2012 - 02:44 PM

Thanks & Thanks. I am not in my rental right now as I have no connection there. I have to go my LL's house to get a connection. And I don't currently have my router and USB adapter as both were shipped back to the seller for testing. So any tests that I run would be w/o my router and adapter.

So should I run these anyway sitting outside my LL's house, or in my rental w/o my devices?

I did run those tests anyway and flushed the DNS, but I did this previously. It didn't cure whatever the issue was.

I ran the release and renew commands, but not sure what I should be looking for?

A few of those commands required a elevated command prompt.

I don't know how to copy & paste those black command prompt results here. So need a link/instruction/tutorial for that.

I just lost my connection again, I clicked the Red X in Network & Sharing, windows prompted for new IP settings for my adapter, it ran and reconnected?

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Posted 24 April 2012 - 03:47 PM

Ok what those command do in sequence

/release will reset your IP to null
/renew is requesting a new IP from the Router
but In order to run these commands you need to have your network gear back

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Posted 24 April 2012 - 05:42 PM

That's what I figured.

I came upon a similar connection issue/thread/article yesterday located on catonett.com titled "Strange problem with my internet connection in Vista - Solved!" I guess you can just Google that title and see it. This article refers to and got his fix from the Microsoft article below.

Or go to Microsoft Article ID: 928233... "Windows Vista cannot obtain IP address from certain routers or from certain non-Microsoft DHCP servers." They have a Fixit tool for this issue as well.

I have read this guys article on catonett.com, but in step #2 he refers to clicking on a registry sub key that refers to a IP address, but I'm not sure what IP address he is referring to? Looks like two different router addresses?

So didn't make much sense going there if not sure, especially in the registry. And I don't have my router/adapter anyway, so?

But I guess I should wait until I get my router/adapter back to see if either was defective?

Then see if I can reconnect, if not, then maybe give this registry fix or MS Fixit a try.

But the above article seems like it is fairly close to my connection issue, so sound like a plan?

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Posted 22 May 2012 - 08:04 PM

So I got my router back and I still spinning, now what?

Should my network discovery be on or off? I presume it is safer to have it turned off?

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Posted 23 May 2012 - 02:02 AM

Should my network discovery be on or off? I presume it is safer to have it turned off?

Yes turn off network discovery as recommended by most router devices.

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Posted 24 May 2012 - 05:53 PM

Thanks, I thought maybe this might have had something to do with my connection issues.

My LL's son moved his router from one side of his house, the furthest point from my rental, to the other side of his house, next to a large window, facing my rental. So that seems to have put me within the radius of his signal. As my connection has been more consistent, not spinning going nowhere.

I can get a fair signal now with my internal adapter, which is almost a miracle considering the length of time without a decent signal or connection.

My LL's son asked me if I had a network name for my router? Which I do. He said that having two network names can cause a loss of the AP signal strength. But I previously had 5 bars with my router with a different SSID and network name than my LL's network SSID/name, so?

My router/USB adapter setup is designed to connect to a Access Point such as my LL's signal. My router instructions tell me to enter my own network name, SSID, and security, to my network. Then I connect to his network signal.

Q. So I'm not too sure :unsure: exactly if what he is saying holds true to my situation or not?

My LL's router is set to factory default. So it is broadcasting a mostly "G" signal, which shows it is broadcasting at 80%. And the "N" signal is broadcasting using the other 25%. So I could presume that it appears this auto setting may actually be a cause of loss of signal strength?

My LL's router is broadcasting the "G" signal I presume because his Dad has a older computer that is not "N" compatible.

Q. If my LL's router was set to a "G" signal only, would that improve the signal strength, as opposed to a mixed factory auto set g/n signal?

Edited by sumguy#1, 24 May 2012 - 05:59 PM.





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