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#1 sniper8752

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Posted 29 December 2011 - 12:22 PM

can isps determine that you are torrenting if you have high bandwhitch usage, like downloading 5 videos at once? why is it so hard to track torrenters?

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Posted 29 December 2011 - 01:01 PM

Yes ISPs can determine you are torrenting. It's not hard to catch a high bandwidth user. The catch is that ISPs can't act without a specific complaint. They are not a law enforcement agency. Unless they have a legal complaint and court order to monitor they can't act.

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Posted 29 December 2011 - 01:23 PM

what do you mean, a "complaint"? I know that someone received a warning notice from their isp i guess because of a movie they downloaded from a wrong site. if they were a wrong site, would they "complain" or report this?

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Posted 29 December 2011 - 09:49 PM

You asked if ISP's can track, Yes they can. You asked why is it so hard to track them? Thats because a complaint from the owners of the content being downloaded has to file a lawsuit or complaint in court to get a court order. Unless the owner of the content being downloaded requests a cease and desist or files a criminal lawsuit ISPs won't do much.

Without knowing the context of the letter and what the demands were I don't see how it relates to your original questions.

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Posted 31 December 2011 - 07:38 AM

not if you are using VPN and OpenDNS

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Posted 31 December 2011 - 03:21 PM

Wanna bet? With a court order they sure can.

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Posted 03 January 2012 - 07:56 PM

so what your saying is that adobe could file a complaint and the isp would have to list everyone who was torrenting their software?

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Posted 03 January 2012 - 09:53 PM

Doesn't quite work that way. It's not a 'blanket' complaint. They don't just cast a wide net and say look for our stuff. The copyright holder will have already targeted the individual though other means. The copyright holder/agent will submit a claim to the ISP to track the alleged offenders traffic to the torrent sites and confirm the complaint.

What the ISP is doing by sending a letter is saying 'You're being watched'...

Although it's a University here is a general overview of how the 'system' works. In this case the University is the ISP.

http://rescomp.stanford.edu/info/dmca/#dmcacomplaint

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Posted 03 January 2012 - 10:06 PM

alright, so why would someone be notified a month later about an illegal file download? are ip addresses actually saved somewhere when a file is downloaded? and i didn't know that you could view all the peoples' ip addresses who are currently downloading the torrent.

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Posted 04 January 2012 - 12:51 PM

Can't comment on why a month later. You'll have to ask the ISP. I can't address specifics related to how an ISP operates. I know the generalities related to DMCA, but how each ISP does business I can't say for certain.

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Posted 04 January 2012 - 02:40 PM

just curious. why would they not sue or whatever, and just send a warning?

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Posted 04 January 2012 - 02:51 PM

Again you're asking me to understand and communicate the business logic of an ISP. I can't answer that. One ISP might sue for their reasons another may prefer intimidation tactics. Without knowing the specific details of each and every incident and the individual business practices I would be guessing.

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