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#1 suЯge

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Posted 27 December 2011 - 04:10 PM

I am planning on building my first computer, and I have no idea if I chose good hardware or not. I am completely new to this, so bear with me, please.
I basically want a desktop that will edit and render films with speed and no problems, running multiple scripts, programming, and surfing the web.
At first, I was thinking: "I need 64GB RAM, Amazing Graphics, 2 6-core proccessors" just to really show it off. I then realized I just want performance and I will be fine.

What I have projected to be my build: http://secure.newegg.com/WishList/PublicWishDetail.aspx?WishListNumber=22789207


MOTHERBOARD

PROCESSOR

MEMORY

CASE

POWER SUPPLY

DVD RW DRIVE

HARD DRIVE

VIDEO CARD (x2)

CPU COOLER

Please give my feedback on what I should change to make it more suiting for my needs.
NOTE: I am keeping the case no matter what. I just bought it.

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Posted 27 December 2011 - 07:27 PM

I assume money is no object?

CPU/Motherboard: Both are good, but you can save money going with an i7 2500. The difference between the "K" versions of the Intel CPU's is the overclocking. You could also go for AMD.

GPU: If you are willing to wait until January 9th, the Radeon 7970 will be hitting retailers then. It isn't as fast as a dual 6970, but it is designed to be much more efficient on a per card basis and has lower energy consumption. For anything using a single graphics card or is unable to scale well with Crossfire, the 7970 will blow the 6970 away.

CPU Cooler: Good, but remember that HDT coolers have a different thermal compound application method than the standard "dot in the middle."

OS: You also need a copy of Windows.

SSD: Personally, I prefer Intel SSD's like the Intel 510 Series (Elm Crest) SSDSC2MH120A2K5 2.5" 120GB SATA III but that should still be good. I would also give the SAMSUNG 830 Series MZ-7PC128D/AM 2.5" 128GB SATA III a good look.

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Posted 27 December 2011 - 07:51 PM

I assume money is no object?

CPU/Motherboard: Both are good, but you can save money going with an i7 2500. The difference between the "K" versions of the Intel CPU's is the overclocking. You could also go for AMD.

GPU: If you are willing to wait until January 9th, the Radeon 7970 will be hitting retailers then. It isn't as fast as a dual 6970, but it is designed to be much more efficient on a per card basis and has lower energy consumption. For anything using a single graphics card or is unable to scale well with Crossfire, the 7970 will blow the 6970 away.

CPU Cooler: Good, but remember that HDT coolers have a different thermal compound application method than the standard "dot in the middle."

OS: You also need a copy of Windows.

SSD: Personally, I prefer Intel SSD's like the Intel 510 Series (Elm Crest) SSDSC2MH120A2K5 2.5" 120GB SATA III but that should still be good. I would also give the SAMSUNG 830 Series MZ-7PC128D/AM 2.5" 128GB SATA III a good look.

I would LOVE to get it cheaper. If you have any suggestions to do the same at a lower cost, I would greatly appreciate it. The only things that really need to be done: HD Video editing and rendering, running scripts/programming, and the usual other things (surfing the web, photo editing, chatting, etc.) I dont plan to do gaming, I just want it to run fast & smooth.

The only rule: I need to keep the case.

I already have the OS, so I didn't bother adding it in.

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Posted 27 December 2011 - 09:40 PM

You really don't need a Crossfire configuration for smooth video editing and rendering. I haven't heard of many professional products harnessing the power of a multi-GPU system. With the CPU and motherboard, things get a bit more complicated. On a per thread basis, the i7 2500 and 2600 will win with performance, but, if running parallel applications that can harness all cores thrown at it is your thing, the AMD FX CPU's can hold their own. Rendering is something the FX CPU's can do well, but until the SMT patch for Windows 7, or Windows 8 as a whole, is released, the best the high-end FX CPU's can do is hold their own against the i7's. With AMD-based motherboards, you tend to keep them around for a while considering AMD maintains backwards compatibility. In short, for best performance right now, Intel's expensive LGA 2011 platform and the i7-3960X would be great. For best value right now, the i7 2500K. For the best potential later on, the AMD FX-8150 (Or, if that is a bit price-y, the FX-8120). For the best mid-range setup that blends in value and potential, the FX-6100.

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Posted 27 December 2011 - 10:31 PM

You really don't need a Crossfire configuration for smooth video editing and rendering. I haven't heard of many professional products harnessing the power of a multi-GPU system. With the CPU and motherboard, things get a bit more complicated. On a per thread basis, the i7 2500 and 2600 will win with performance, but, if running parallel applications that can harness all cores thrown at it is your thing, the AMD FX CPU's can hold their own. Rendering is something the FX CPU's can do well, but until the SMT patch for Windows 7, or Windows 8 as a whole, is released, the best the high-end FX CPU's can do is hold their own against the i7's. With AMD-based motherboards, you tend to keep them around for a while considering AMD maintains backwards compatibility. In short, for best performance right now, Intel's expensive LGA 2011 platform and the i7-3960X would be great. For best value right now, the i7 2500K. For the best potential later on, the AMD FX-8150 (Or, if that is a bit price-y, the FX-8120). For the best mid-range setup that blends in value and potential, the FX-6100.

I am now starting to understand this more and more, thank you for such insightful feedback.
I realized I do NOT want to spend too much on this build, as it is my first. I generated a new wishlist, and I was mainly wondering if the GPU is going to cut it for my needs: http://secure.newegg.com/WishList/PublicWishDetail.aspx?WishListNumber=15917611

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Posted 27 December 2011 - 11:13 PM

If your rendering programs utilize the GPU, you may want to get something out of the Radeon 6900 line, especially a 2GB model. Also, if your rendering programs run natively at 64-bit and you are using a 64-bit operating system, you may want to consider getting another 4GB x 2 RAM kit. The Patriot Signature 8GB (2 x 4GB) 240-Pin DDR3 SDRAM DDR3 1600 RAM kit has a good price and the heatsinks don't stick up too much which can be an issue for some CPU coolers.

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Posted 27 December 2011 - 11:30 PM

If your rendering programs utilize the GPU, you may want to get something out of the Radeon 6900 line, especially a 2GB model. Also, if your rendering programs run natively at 64-bit and you are using a 64-bit operating system, you may want to consider getting another 4GB x 2 RAM kit. The Patriot Signature 8GB (2 x 4GB) 240-Pin DDR3 SDRAM DDR3 1600 RAM kit has a good price and the heatsinks don't stick up too much which can be an issue for some CPU coolers.

I am pretty sure at least one of them does. Would something like the XFX Double D HD-695X-CDFC Radeon HD 6950 2GB 256-bit GDDR5 PCI Express 2.1 x16 HDCP Ready CrossFireX Support Video Card with Eyefinity be a good GPU for such occasions?

I switched the RAM out, thank you for pointing that out to me.

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Posted 27 December 2011 - 11:44 PM

It should, it is basically a Radeon 6970 with a different firmware.

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Posted 28 December 2011 - 12:21 AM

It should, it is basically a Radeon 6970 with a different firmware.

Alright. My final question(s):

Wishlist: http://secure.newegg.com/WishList/PublicWishDetail.aspx?WishListNumber=15917611

Will this actually work? As in: function when I put it together?
Is the power supply enough to support all of this?
Am I getting a good deal for all of this?
Last, but not least: How long will this machine survive for? (if I put off overclocking for a few months)

I want to thank you so much for helping me in all of this.

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Posted 28 December 2011 - 01:26 AM

I'll let them continue answering any questions but I'd recommend watching these 3 videos since this is going to be your first build. I'd also recommend buying an Anti Static Wristband.

Videos:

Video #1

Video #2

Video #3

They seriously helped me a lot. Good luck with your build. :thumbup2:

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Posted 28 December 2011 - 01:37 AM

I'll let them continue answering any questions but I'd recommend watching these 3 videos since this is going to be your first build. I'd also recommend buying an Anti Static Wristband.

Videos:

Video #1

Video #2

Video #3

They seriously helped me a lot. Good luck with your build. :thumbup2:

Thank you for the videos, I will be sure to check them out. also: I think i might have one of those wristbands.

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Posted 28 December 2011 - 12:16 PM

I'll go one step further since encoding HD video benefits by faster CPU.

There are encoding programs that can be accelerated using Cuda with Nvidia based video cards, Others can be boosted using the Built-in video on some Intel chipsets, and Others less commonly ATI video. Which solution is best for you depends on what the software supports. One thing that also helps is multiple drives. An example would be source on D: and rendered output on E: and of course for general speedy startup and application loading a SSD boot drive.

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Posted 28 December 2011 - 01:14 PM

I'll go one step further since encoding HD video benefits by faster CPU.

There are encoding programs that can be accelerated using Cuda with Nvidia based video cards, Others can be boosted using the Built-in video on some Intel chipsets, and Others less commonly ATI video. Which solution is best for you depends on what the software supports. One thing that also helps is multiple drives. An example would be source on D: and rendered output on E: and of course for general speedy startup and application loading a SSD boot drive.

Cheers

I do have multiple drives, and are going to do the SSD boot. Thank you for reccomending it.

On the other hand, I think I will be sticking with my graphics card. I believe its good enough for my needs at the price it is.

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Posted 28 December 2011 - 04:43 PM

With an SSD be sure to have AHCI turned on in the bios. I think you will like the speed. Feel free topost back how it works for you.

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