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#1 tVEC

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Posted 30 November 2011 - 02:34 PM

Hello all
My first post here- but I've browsed here for help many times.

Currently:
Win 7x64 Dell 531s SFF :lmao: upgraded with:
Seasonic 300w PSU
AMD Athlon x2 5800+ 3.0 ghz
250 GB 7200 HDD
4 GB RAM
Ge Force 9800 GT 512MB
ASUS Xonar D1
Blue Ray Drive
Visiontech Dedicated 450w 5.25" sized PSU (sitting next to the computer)
side panel OFF, dusted thrice weekly

My question is: 1) Is it worth it to use the Visiontech PSU in the new computer? It can power the GPU (6 pin)and/or the CPU (4 pin).

Also 2) will I have any troubles installing my "upgrade" version of Win 7 on the new computer? Ive heard you can do this as long as you untick automatic activation.

Are there any other details I should know about?

New system:

Win 7x64 CoolerMaster HAF 912
Raidmax 850w 80 plus gold PSU
Gigabyte z68 chipset Motherboard
i5-2500k 3.3 ghz, liquid cooled
OCZ 60GB SSD
A yet-to-be purchesed decent 7200 HDD at least 320GB
16 GB RAM
Nvidia GTX 550 ti 1 GB
Xonar D1 and blu-ray from old computer.


Thank you!

Edited by tVEC, 30 November 2011 - 02:36 PM.

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#2 DJBPace07

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Posted 30 November 2011 - 05:42 PM

Using a dual PSU? I don't think it is worth the effort and hassle since the 850W PSU should very easily power everything. I would suggest getting a better quality unit though. The GTX 550 Ti is actually about as powerful as a Radeon 6770, in the same price bracket, you could get a better card, the HIS H679F1GD Radeon HD 6790 1GB, for the same amount of cash. Also, unless you do video rendering or keep tons of windows and programs open at once, or even virtual machines, you really don't need 16GB of RAM.

As for your Windows issue, the upgrade SKU's require a copy of Windows be on the computer to be eligible for the upgrade, even if you do a clean install. When you put in the product key, this determines which version of Windows to install. If it is an upgrade, it does a compliance check, too. Since the upgrade media and full media are technically identical, you can buy a retail key and use it with the upgrade media to install. I'm not sure if there are differences between SP1 versions and RTM in regards to this. In short, you really need to buy a copy of Windows, OEM versions are cheap.

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Posted 30 November 2011 - 06:45 PM

Ok, I thought that once a product key was activated, you could reinstall it, and that the old install would be deactivated. I installed the 7 upgrade over Vista on my old comp.

Yes, I know about the ram usage, but an extra 8 GB was "free", so I can have it as backup. The PSU seemed to have positive reviews, so I went with it. Raidmax just isnt as established as Corsair, etc. As for the card, I agree now that I compare- Im just so used to nvidia, and I was under the impression nvidia worked better with Intel CPUs, and I wanted at least an i5. Seriously I needed to research more- its like swimming in a sea a million different computer parts, but I can only afford so big a lifeboat....

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Posted 30 November 2011 - 07:06 PM

OK!- Good news! I just got off the phone with Microsoft, I called the number in the booklet that came in the Windows 7 upgrade. She told me to call them when I do the install on the formatted only computer and I will be given an "upgrade fix", a code to enter that will allow the install.

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Crucial CT250BX1(OS), Crucial M4 128, OCZ Agility 3 60GB(Games)

Sapphire R9 390

Asus Xonar D1 PCI

Raidmax 850ae

CoolerMaster HAF 912


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Posted 30 November 2011 - 07:54 PM

You can indeed do a manual activation and, technically, you already own a copy of Windows so you could still use the upgrade edition. Nvidia and AMD GPU's don't care which CPU you use as they don't interface with them directly per-se. I flip between AMD and Nvidia when it comes to GPU's. I went from two 9800 GTX's in SLI to a single Radeon 5850 for two reasons, horrible drivers (Seriously, when Zune blue screens and references Nvidia's GPU drivers, that's the last straw. In a game is different...) and price.

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Posted 01 December 2011 - 02:46 PM

DJB- Thanks for your suggestions. I thought about it and researched, and decided to go Radeon. For 17 bucks extra I got this: http://www.hisdigital.com/un/product2-607.shtml which looks like a tweaked version of the one you linked, and quite better than the 550 ti spec-wise.
My main games are the Elder Scrolls/Fallout series or Mass Effect 2. Ive somehow been getting around 25+ FPS on a modded Skyrim on medium-high settings with my 9800 gt. Im assuming the new rig will be a little bit better. Now I need to research how to set up a 6790 for these games. Heard the latest driver (11.11 I think) fixes a lot.

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Posted 01 December 2011 - 03:46 PM

Skyrim isn't exactly the prettiest game on the PC with the pixelated shadows and low resolution textures, for a PC game. Graphically, I think The Witcher 2 is a far prettier PC RPG. The current driver, 11.11b, is unusual as it falls outside AMD's driver release schedule and only adds, I think, Crossfire to the game, which you will not be using. As for Mass Effect 2, which I absolutely LOVE, I ran pretty much everything at their max. Since ME2 uses the aging Unreal Engine, anti aliasing isn't built into the game. Given the futuristic clean lines, it makes the game look like a mess. From trial and error, and from BioWare themselves, I suggest you use super sample anti aliasing with this game as it produces the best image without manipulating the pixels directly. Super sample multiplies your resolution by a factor, then shrinks it back down to your monitor's resolution, reducing the jagged edges. You can enable this through Catalyst. However, keep in mind that super sample anti aliasing is very hard on a graphics card, especially its memory, so don't go too crazy with it.

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Posted 01 December 2011 - 05:24 PM

Yes vanilla Skyrim has its issues and poor textures. It is a console port plus it is a very complex game. But thanks to the huge modding community, there are optimizers, HD textures, water, improved this and that, and a shadow fix. Im a modaholic so I dont mind tweaking. My Oblivion install was 26 GB and over 250 mods.
I had great performance on ME 2 with my 9800 gt at med-high settings at 1920x1200. I may get ME 3 after the new rig arrives. Thanks for the input!

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Crucial CT250BX1(OS), Crucial M4 128, OCZ Agility 3 60GB(Games)

Sapphire R9 390

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Posted 02 December 2011 - 03:04 PM

Hey one last question- Im thinking of going with a 128 Crucial M4 (Marvel) as the main OS drive, and running games from the OCZ (SandForce), Is this a good idea? will the 2 different controller types coexist well? Not necessarily interested in RAID but would that be an option as well?

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Sapphire R9 390

Asus Xonar D1 PCI

Raidmax 850ae

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Posted 02 December 2011 - 03:16 PM

Ok after more digging I found this info on using 2 SSDs

http://www.overclock.net/t/1164891/running-two-ssd

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Sapphire R9 390

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Raidmax 850ae

CoolerMaster HAF 912


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Posted 02 December 2011 - 07:21 PM

Usually, once items are loaded into memory the drive becomes a non-issue. If you have loads of cash to spend, why not go for two, otherwise, I would put the OS on one and use a standard drive for the games. The controllers are on the drives themselves and shouldn't have any bearing once the data is off the drive and on its way to the RAM.

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