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Replacing Old Hard Drive


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#1 myzr

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Posted 31 January 2006 - 04:09 PM

I have an older pc bare bones built by a mom and pop repair shop. I would like to replace the Seagate hd. I have gone to the manufactures web site and punched in the part number. They give lots of good info I spose but being a novice it is not much help. I'm looking for a chart that says to replace this with that. So far I am having no luck finding that.
The drive is a seagate medalist ST34342A
It has an amd k6 500 or so I was told not sure about that
I would like to be sure before I buy that the plug-ins would be the same.
This is my first time under the hood. Sure is a lot of dust in here. So any links or advice would be greatly apreciated.
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Posted 31 January 2006 - 04:25 PM

Well now a machine of that age will have no problem using a standard IDE ATA drive; however its probally gonna have some bios problems with a drive over 32gig.

To get around that I would personally install a Promise IDE Controller Card into an empty PCI slot >>>> then you could use bigger drives without a bios fight or similar hassle !!

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?...N82E16816102007
these IDE controllers are easy as hell to install and set-up !~!

the buy an 80 or 120 gig Western Digital or Seagate IDE (ATA-100) 7200 rpm -8meg cache drive NO MAXTORS = JUNK

search ebay or newegg.com for good deals

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?...N82E16822144122

even if you dont need a drive this big >>> there is no worthwhile savings to go any smaller !!


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Edited by linderman, 31 January 2006 - 04:26 PM.


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Posted 31 January 2006 - 05:04 PM

yes, some good advice in your reply post, from linderman

maxtor opinion might find some debate.
old PC used sources have turned up 20-80 gb HD ATA/100s @ under 10.00 i've found.
worth digging around for if you like to start under the hood on the cheap. :thumbsup:

ATA/133s are a bit more, further along the progression.
seems they work, but limited to the speed of ATA/100 on a mobo with that limitation.
at least I know K7 mobos are reverse engineered to be able to use ATA/100
on a mobo that can handle the higher data transfer rate.

correct me if i'm wrong, all you hardware installation folks. :flowers:
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Posted 31 January 2006 - 11:35 PM

Thanks, for the look and the replys linderman and phawgg. I went to my other addiction" e-bay" and bought a 20 gig seagate for $4 plus shipping for a total of $26. Boy that shipping is something else. Anyway another ?.
After installing the new hd. what kind of software will I need to have to load windows on it? The reason I ask is because my brother in law had a repair shop put a new drive in one of his older pc's and wanted more money to load windows back in it. Well he said no that he could do it but He could not do it.He had a widows 98 restore cd and It would hang up before finishing loading. That box is still in the closet. I hope that is not my fate also with this project. So what is the trick?
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Posted 01 February 2006 - 12:03 AM

Hi all. Mind if I jump in?
First take that thing outside and blow all the dust out. Heat kills computers.
Second, download and run Everest. It will tell you about your computer.
Third, create a folder on your computer, and download Digital Dolly into it. Unzip it into the same folder. With your CD burning software burn an .iso image of the files to CD. Once made this prgram has a drive imaging software that will allow you to copy your old drive to your new drive. Use the help button at the bottom of each features page.
I am assuming your old drive still works to some degree.

Edited by acklan, 01 February 2006 - 12:03 AM.

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Posted 01 February 2006 - 12:36 AM

Thanks for that acklan. However my drive is sitting on the desk next to me. I do have another newer pc in home so as not completely down for the count. All critical data has been saved on flash drives and cds. Well pics of grandbabies is critical in my world. As far as the dust I vacuumed that out already and I'm betting that might have been strike two? Endeavor to persevere.
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Posted 01 February 2006 - 12:45 AM

Can you retrieve the data? Did you just want to make a clean install? If the later and you don't have '98 yet consider Win2000 Pro. It is a much better OD than Win9X . You don't need an OS installed to use Digital Dolly. Sorry just rambling.
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Posted 01 February 2006 - 04:28 AM

After installing the new hd. what kind of software will I need to have to load windows on it?

The software sold by Microsoft.
Either a Retail full version or
an OEM version.

Avoid Restore CDs (as you mentioned) because they are specific to individual machines.
Avoid Upgrade CDs because they require a previous version of windows already installed on HD.
Avoid "Copies of OEM or Retail" because the license key code is probable not available to use
when you need to update the win98, win2000, winME or winXP.

win98SE or win2000pro stand out as probably the best fit.

Although I have used winXP on old (like AMD K6) PCs successfully,
it really kinda needs 256 MB RAM to work well (128 RAM is a published minimum)
and better than 400mhz cpu speed.

The trick is having nothing on the HD that might foul things up.
Thats where the DigitalDolly comes in. (but, the install CD can do that for you too.)

Power off.
Probably you'll plug the HD in,
jumper it properly and cable it right.

Put the Digital Dolly CD in the CD-ROM tray. -OR-
Put the used win98SE (or whichever) CD in the CD-ROM tray.
Power on.
A black background with simple white typestyle lettering screen will face you.

You might see that Seagate 20gb HD identified. If your quick.

It might immediately change to the contents of your Digital Dolly CD. -OR-
It might immediately change to the contents of your install CD.

Meaning it was set already to "boot from CD" before "boot from HD".
If not, it'll stay at the "DOS" type screen,
a blinking something will begin to annoy you.

Clues will be evident about what to do next.
Probably start up again while tapping on the DEL key, for instance.
That would open it to another screen ... the BIOS screen.

Using the keyboard (no mouse yet) up/down arrow keys and ENTER key you'll
highlight & select options.
The boot sequence can be changed here if it "hung" with the CD in the tray.

So, the CD install disk working right,
you'll follow prompts to repartition & reformat that Seagate 20gb HD.
Then you watch it load files for an hour or less. -OR-

You will have done other stuff with DigitalDolly
and then done the install routine discribed briefly.

Then you see the desktop, and you'll want to have a PCI modem already in place to get online with.
If you put a new one in, about 15.00, you'll have it's install CD to use for new drivers.
Probably use a CD like AOL or Earthlink and your phone line to finish the job of going online.
Go directly to windows update web site and prove you got a genuine product.
Now you get updated.

I'll leave it there for now. Semi-confusion can be expected at this point.

Post regarding questions or to say "I got the CD I need", OK?

Edited by phawgg, 01 February 2006 - 04:40 AM.

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Posted 01 February 2006 - 10:41 AM

OK.
Thanks for all the good info. I will shop for an appropriate os. win 2000 or xp. I plan to upgrade my memory from 128 to 256.
I am not to familiar with bios. or dos. Have touched on it enough to give it a try!
Seattle20 Stealers 10.. those numbers will pay for my upgrades.. enjoy the game and the party if you are so inclined.
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Posted 01 February 2006 - 03:39 PM

If you can afford it go with 512mb.
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