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$1000 Budget (Work+Gaming) - Best Choices?


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#1 Marth_01

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Posted 17 October 2011 - 04:50 PM

Hello, I'll keep this short and simple!

BUDGET = $1000 (already have OS)
PROGRAMS = Autodesk 3D Packages (Max/Maya), Adobe CS 5.5 (AfterEffects/Photoshop)
GAMES = Starcraft II, Diablo III, Elder Scrolls V: Skyrim, possibly new MMOs.

Current Parts List:
$315 = CPU = Intel i7-2600K
$180 = MOBO = Asus P8Z68-V (UEFI BIOS, SATA III, USB 3.0, ...)
$140 = GPU = Nvidia EVGA GTX 550 TI FPB (192 cores, 192-bit)
$100 = CASE = Mid Tower Case
$100 = RAM = G.Skill Ripjaws X, 16 GB (4x4gb), 1600mhz
$70 = PSU = Corsair CX600V2, 600 Watt, 80+ Certified
$65 = HDD = Western Digital 750 GB, 6gb/s, 64mb cache
$30 = FAN = Cooler Master Hyper 212+ CPU Cooler
$20 = ODD = Asus 24X CD/DVD Burner
$1020 = TOTAL

Questions
Any comments on the particular parts?
Any suggestion on the Mid Tower case?
Should I choose a different brand of RAM, like Corsair?
If I had $900, what changes should I make?
If I had $1100, what changes should I make?

Thanks for your time!

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#2 DJBPace07

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Posted 17 October 2011 - 05:37 PM

That will work, though I do suggest getting a larger case and a better graphics card. You can make a few alterations, if you wish.

CPU: AMD Phenom II X6 1090T Black Edition Thuban 3.2GHz - With gaming, most of the processing is GPU bound, so you don't need a very high-end CPU for that. With rendering, the extra physical cores will help speed things along. I would have suggested the FX-8120 or 8150 but those have sold out nearly everywhere due to their newness. $169

Motherboard: ASUS Sabertooth 990FX - If you think you will be using more than one graphics card, this would be best. If you're not going to be using more than a single card, the ASUS M5A97 AM3+ AMD 970 is a more cost effective option. $189

GPU: XFX HD-695X-CNFC Radeon HD 6950 2GB - With the money you're saving, you can upgrade to this, which is similar to a GTX 570. You can also get the SAPPHIRE 100314-3L Radeon HD 6870 1GB, which is a little less powerful. $259

Case: NZXT ZERO 2 Crafted Series CS-NT-ZERO-2 - This will have plenty of room for equipment and large graphics cards. Many aftermarket CPU heatsinks have a difficult time fitting in mid-ATX cases, this shouldn't be an issue here. $99

PSU: ENERMAX NAXN 80+ ENP600AWT 600W - Enermax is good, and if you can get the rebate, even less expensive. $79

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Posted 17 October 2011 - 05:37 PM

here is a good mid-tower case for you price and comes with free shipping which is always a plus http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16811112239
as for ram i personally have only ever used g-skill and have had absolutist no problems with their ram, so i would stick with what you picked, the parts are good that you have chosen, I would probably change the psu to a higher power http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16817139020 if i had the extra money and if i had to back off the money some i would go an AMD build with changes like:

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16819103962

with this mobo: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16813128514 and then just use stock heatsink for i hear it is plenty good enough even if u OC

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Posted 17 October 2011 - 05:42 PM

You don't want to use the stock heatsink if you have the money. They are rather loud. My FX-8150 is also quite hot with the stock, I'm counting down the days till my aftermarket heatsink arrives.

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Posted 17 October 2011 - 05:52 PM

ya i looked on newegg and i couldnt find any am3+ heatsinks...but the stock should hold over till they start arriving...just put aside $50 or so for it and wait

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Posted 17 October 2011 - 05:58 PM

I've never built an AMD CPU based system.
I am surprised at the price difference between:
Intel i7-2600K ($315) and
AMD Phenom II X6 1090T ($170)

I looked up Tom's Hardware's most recent CPU Hierarchy Chart and do notice that the 1090T is three tiers lower than the i7-2600K. I suppose for being almost half the price, this isn't bad. What do you have to say about the difference in performance here?
(http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/gaming-sandy-bridge-cpu,3030-5.html)

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Posted 17 October 2011 - 06:02 PM

First off, Tom's Hardware has a lot to say on the comparison of an i5-2500k and an i7-2600k. Specifically that the price difference isn't worth the upgrade:
http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/gaming-sandy-bridge-cpu,3030-4.html
At least, for gaming. Check the bottom where they talk about the i7-2600k. You might notice some difference in REALLY heavily threaded business apps, maybe that 3D autodesk package, but Autodesk may be more bottlenecked by the video card, at the point of CPU speed that you're looking at. Not saying the video card's slow, but there's that whole diminishing returns thing to think about.
16 GB of RAM is nice, Corsair PSU seems sufficient, the 750 WD hard drive is nice. As far as the Fan I'd say look at the Hyper 212 EVO, they've "improved" the heatpipe design so it might be worth the upgrade for the newer model. That said, I've loved my 212+ since I put it in, but I don't run near as hot as that i7 would.

If you're looking at the $900 budget, the i5 is definitely the way to go. 4 cores is still way powerful, even without the HT.
If you're looking at the $1100 budget, I guess I'd up the GPU and the PSU if needed.
Everything else is nice. Maybe at the $1100 budget you'd look into newer mobo chipsets and CPU that support 32GB ram instead of 16 -- more upgradeable?

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Posted 17 October 2011 - 06:22 PM

You also have to understand how Intel and that Phenom II X6 are aligned in terms of architecture. The Phenom II uses an older design and does not have HyperThreading which is propreitary to Intel. The closest AMD has come to replicating the HT technology is in the Bulldozer "FX" design which is a bit different. The X6 CPU has six physical cores and not all programs are designed to use them all, nor do they all respond as well to HT. BTW, in the Tom'S Hardware Hierarchy Chart, AMD's new FX-8120 and 8150 would be in the upper one, depending on what you are doing.

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Posted 17 October 2011 - 06:23 PM

The reason why the AMD is several tiers lower than the i7 is simple - Intel CPUs are higher performing than AMD CPUs. AMD is the mainstream and budget line king, but if you have the scratch to burn Intel will do more power. That said, The AMD cpu and motherboard setup listed there might be nicer if you're looking to save a lot of $, but the i5-2500k is still your best bet if you're hitting on this budget.

You might be able to get a better video card tho. Up to you.

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Posted 17 October 2011 - 06:29 PM

I wouldn't exactly call AMD the mainstream and budget king, I would call them the value king. You typically don't pay as much for at least decent performance. IF you are gaming, you can go either way, but know that most games are GPU bound, so you should devote most of your cash on the GPU.

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Posted 17 October 2011 - 07:59 PM

Okay that's a better "title" for them, but to be true, if you're looking for higher CPU performance-per-clock the Intel will outclass the AMD in most instances. That said, I would agree that unless you find the 3d dev apps you're using to need the higher performance and HT performance, that Phenom 6-core will do you nicely for most development, and the gaming won't be that affected. Plus, saved $ = better GPU. Don't go crossfire or SLI cheap cards though, Tom's recently had a discussion about some artifacting in lower-end cards when SLI'd or CrossFire'd at high resolutions -- I forget exactly what it was. Anyhow, good luck. At your budget, it shouldn't be hard to put together a powerhouse that will work for the next gen of games at even high resolutions, and should only drop into low resolutions 2 or 3 generations from now.

G'luck.

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Posted 17 October 2011 - 08:39 PM

Yeah, I'm pretty sure the i7-2600K is king right now. Rendering in 3DS Max and Maya is 100% CPU so it really needs the hyper threading (Max and Maya both support it fully).

Though, it is surprising how cheap AMD CPUs are!

I'll consider the ~$40 for a GTX 570 instead of a GTX 560.

From what I've heard so far, no one seems to care about the RAM's timings.
I am still curious on if that can make a significant impact.

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Posted 18 October 2011 - 02:41 AM

The cheapest GTX570 is $320 plus with the Intel processor which will go way over the $1000 budget.

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Posted 18 October 2011 - 06:22 AM

Ram timings unless your benchmarking doesn't play a huge role...especially since ure getting 16gb worth...that's one of the last things I would upgrade on your build

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Posted 18 October 2011 - 10:56 AM

Samsung F3 spinpoint 1TB sata3 is faster and larger and cheaper @ $60, than your 750 WD HDD even though it is a sata6
you might be able to get a an Antec 750w PSU for same or cheaper than the 600w Corsair
For $900 I'd get a 2500k, cheapest @ Microcenter! $179
for $1100 I'd upgrade to a AMD/ATI 6970 or 6950




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