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#1 rsssmoore

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Posted 10 October 2011 - 03:01 AM

Hello, Looking for some advice on my first AMD based desktop build. I have been slowly acquiring components with a definite plan on the type of system I want within a specific price range and here is what I have so far.

ATX Case (No PSU)
Biostar A770E v6 mobo
AMD Phenom II X2 545 3.0 Callisto
XFX ATI Radeon 5570 1GB DDR3 600mhz/900mhz

Looking into memory options right now and in an effort to keep the price down I am constantly
questioning myself on 2gb @ 1066 or 4gb @ 800 speed? Qty? Price? Application?
I cut my teeth on laptop upgrades all with Intel Technology and I think Im brainwashed?
FSB and Processor speeds are applied differently with AMD...correct?

Well there you have it...any thoughts, advice and guidance is welcomed.

Thank You for your consideration Regards Rick

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Posted 10 October 2011 - 03:46 AM

I'm gonna need to know your budget and your uses for the computer first.

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System1: CPU- Intel Core i7-5820K @ 4.4GHz, CPU Cooler- Noctua NH-D14, RAM- G.Skill Ripjaws 16GB Kit(4Gx4) DDR3 2133MHz, SSD/HDD- Samsung 850 EVO 250GB/Western Digital Caviar Black 1TB/Seagate Barracuada 3TB, GPU- 2x EVGA GTX980 Superclocked @1360/MHz1900MHz, Motherboard- Asus X99 Deluxe, Case- Custom Mac G5, PSU- EVGA P2-1000W, Soundcard- Realtek High Definition Audio, OS- Windows 10 Pro 64-Bit
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Posted 10 October 2011 - 04:03 AM

Hello, Ok budget remaining is aroun 200.00 US.
System will be a Video playback, internet, light photo editing Home Computer (No real Intense Gamers)
But I still would like to have future upgrade options and resell component capability.

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Posted 10 October 2011 - 07:16 AM

Your budget is way to low for system that can have future upgrade options.

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System1: CPU- Intel Core i7-5820K @ 4.4GHz, CPU Cooler- Noctua NH-D14, RAM- G.Skill Ripjaws 16GB Kit(4Gx4) DDR3 2133MHz, SSD/HDD- Samsung 850 EVO 250GB/Western Digital Caviar Black 1TB/Seagate Barracuada 3TB, GPU- 2x EVGA GTX980 Superclocked @1360/MHz1900MHz, Motherboard- Asus X99 Deluxe, Case- Custom Mac G5, PSU- EVGA P2-1000W, Soundcard- Realtek High Definition Audio, OS- Windows 10 Pro 64-Bit
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Posted 10 October 2011 - 09:00 AM

Wow..really. Anybody else interested in some memory advice for my AMD system.

My question was based on acquiring component knowledge not on how to shop.
I understand your need to know my budget for advice but 5 min on newegg and all the
parts I might need are all there for a total of 192.97.

GSkill 4 GB ooler Master rs(2x2GB) DDR2-800 59.99
Western Digital Caviar Blue 1TB 6.0gbs HDD combo with
Cooler Master 650 Watt PSU- 109.95

Still my question remains on memory...thx

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Posted 10 October 2011 - 01:06 PM

Hi :).

I have a somewhat similar AMD system.

I would go with 4GB...I actually have 8GB but I dual-boot XP and Win 7 64-bit. 2GB is only...2GB and the speed differential would probably not even be noticeable.

Your other components also look fine.

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Posted 10 October 2011 - 02:55 PM

$200 is exceptionally low, I wouldn't bother even with a low-end build. For memory, go 4GB minimum, such as with the Mushkin Enhanced Silverline 4GB 240-Pin DDR3 SDRAM DDR3 1333. If you want to save some money, consider an AMD APU-based system, you would not need a GPU in such a setup. You will also need to buy a copy of Windows 7, which is about $100.

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Posted 10 October 2011 - 03:14 PM

A copy of windows would make the budget go over $200 unless you already have a retail version or a unused OEM.

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System1: CPU- Intel Core i7-5820K @ 4.4GHz, CPU Cooler- Noctua NH-D14, RAM- G.Skill Ripjaws 16GB Kit(4Gx4) DDR3 2133MHz, SSD/HDD- Samsung 850 EVO 250GB/Western Digital Caviar Black 1TB/Seagate Barracuada 3TB, GPU- 2x EVGA GTX980 Superclocked @1360/MHz1900MHz, Motherboard- Asus X99 Deluxe, Case- Custom Mac G5, PSU- EVGA P2-1000W, Soundcard- Realtek High Definition Audio, OS- Windows 10 Pro 64-Bit
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Posted 13 October 2011 - 09:15 PM

Maybee I was not clear on the budget answers...lets start over.
As far as the memory answer from Louis..thx so you feel 4gb @ 800 is a better option than 2gb @ 1066 in this scenario?

Budget is at around 200.00 US (REMAINING)

IN HAND:

CPU Phenom II X2 545 80W
CASE (no psu)
MOBO Biostar A770E v6
GRAPHICS XFX Radeon 5570 29w
SODFTWARE WIN 7 Ult, MS Office 2007

NEEDS:

PSU
MEMORY
HDD
OPTICAL

Most important for me is PSU and Memory, I have a small SATA HD I can use and an old optical but would still like advice on all items.
They will eventually become part of this system regardless of current 200.00 budget...THX I think we cleared up some stuff...??

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Posted 14 October 2011 - 12:27 AM

CORSAIR Builder Series CX500 V2 500W ATX12V v2.3 80 PLUS Certified Active PFC Power Supply

What is the interface for the old optical drive?

>Michael 
System1: CPU- Intel Core i7-5820K @ 4.4GHz, CPU Cooler- Noctua NH-D14, RAM- G.Skill Ripjaws 16GB Kit(4Gx4) DDR3 2133MHz, SSD/HDD- Samsung 850 EVO 250GB/Western Digital Caviar Black 1TB/Seagate Barracuada 3TB, GPU- 2x EVGA GTX980 Superclocked @1360/MHz1900MHz, Motherboard- Asus X99 Deluxe, Case- Custom Mac G5, PSU- EVGA P2-1000W, Soundcard- Realtek High Definition Audio, OS- Windows 10 Pro 64-Bit
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Posted 14 October 2011 - 04:40 PM

Oh! $200 for those four components is doable.

PSU: Killer's will work, as will the ENERMAX Tomahawk ETK500AWT 500W. The price difference is marginal.

Memory: Two sticks of G.SKILL 1GB 240-Pin DDR2 SDRAM DDR2 1066 will be enough.

Optical: That drive only allows for a single old fashioned PATA/IDE drive, it takes SATA instead. The Sony Optiarc Model AD-7261S-0B can work.

HDD: This will also use SATA. If you need one, the Western Digital Caviar Blue WD5000AAKX 500GB is great.

You will still need a copy of Windows, or if you want to, get a free version of Linux.

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Posted 14 October 2011 - 04:42 PM

The difference between the Cosair and the Enermax power supply is the rails and the 2 amps difference.

>Michael 
System1: CPU- Intel Core i7-5820K @ 4.4GHz, CPU Cooler- Noctua NH-D14, RAM- G.Skill Ripjaws 16GB Kit(4Gx4) DDR3 2133MHz, SSD/HDD- Samsung 850 EVO 250GB/Western Digital Caviar Black 1TB/Seagate Barracuada 3TB, GPU- 2x EVGA GTX980 Superclocked @1360/MHz1900MHz, Motherboard- Asus X99 Deluxe, Case- Custom Mac G5, PSU- EVGA P2-1000W, Soundcard- Realtek High Definition Audio, OS- Windows 10 Pro 64-Bit
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Posted 14 October 2011 - 08:45 PM

Hey, Now we are getting somewhere, thanks for hangin in there with me. Ok...so one thing at a time. The memory: I have been getting different info on this and I have a chance to grab some Corsair mem CM2X1024-8500-C5D 2GB matched for dual channel. The spec sheet for the Biostar mobo has this listed as certified memory for this board, although I feel this is overkill I am trying to play by the rules here being my first AMD build. I know that my CPU Phenom II X2 545 supports ddr2 and ddr3. So with this application and set up will 2gb @ 1066 (dual channel) be a good starting point and adding 2 gb later or will all 4 have to match, or can 2 of the same type and timings and volts IE two different kits of Corsair CM2X1024-8500-C5D work togeter as 4gb dual channel?

The PSU- Is 500 watts a saftey margin and upgrade window recommendation? My numbers show around 365 watts at max.

I have heard of the rails issue...but as yet do not fully understand there importance here? Thanks again for sticking with me it is helping alot.

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Posted 15 October 2011 - 07:23 PM

All certified memory on a QVL from a manufacturer is merely RAM that has been tested. You can use any memory you want, so long as it meets the RAM specifications. All RAM is typically the same and should still undergo a few rounds of Memtest before being put through heavy use. Whether or not to use DDR2 or DDR3 with a CPU that allows for both, really boils down to the motherboard. If your board only takes DDR2, then you must go with that. Some boards will take either DDR2 or DDR3, but only one or the other. Your motherboard will only take DDR2. The Phenom II and Athlon II lines of CPU's, and by extension the FX line, are designed for DDR3 but they are still backwards compatible with older boards, so long as there is a compatible BIOS installed. I would go with 4GB of memory now and install a 64-bit OS so you don't have to later. 4GB or more of RAM is only usable if a 64-bit operating system is installed, however, you can still install a 64-bit OS on less than 4GB but you will have a little less performance due to how items are stored in memory with a 64-bit OS. On a PC, the majority of the power requirements come from GPU's with the power being on the 12V rail. A modern power supply from a reputable manufacturer will meet your requirements, more so if they are SLI or Crossfire certified.

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Posted 18 October 2011 - 01:46 AM

Yes the board is ddr2..But 800 or 1066? Still curious about AMD specs regarding mem speed...It seems that 2 @2gb of 1066 now and another kit later would be optimum for my sys build along with upgrades later. Board can take 16gb max. Will be running Win 7 64 bit.




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