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Will this fit in my Dell XPS 8300?


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#1 Alestre

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Posted 03 October 2011 - 04:10 PM

I got this computer, which will come this week, or by Monday.
Dell XPS 8300
Comes with an Intel HD 2000, which is pretty good for an integrated, but still not a good gamer.

I'm thinking of getting a HIS ATI AMD Radeon HD 4890 for 60 bucks on craiglist.

Would the included 460 watt PSU suffice?
How big is the card, would it fit?


Just checked the warranty. 1 year warranty, probably non-transferable. whatever, I'm not getting a better deal for 60 bucks.

Would it be better if I got a XFX HD 4850 ($70)or a XFX GTS 250 ($50)?
They have much less power but still much better than the HD 2000.
Also, XFX has a double-lifetime warranty.

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Posted 03 October 2011 - 05:22 PM

Both are not good cards, they are actually quite old. The 4850 will need a 450W and the GTS 250, which is just a rebranded 9800 GTX, should take about the same.

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Posted 03 October 2011 - 05:53 PM

According to the benchmark, they are decent I think.

I've decided to get Sapphire HD 4890
Same price.
The required wattage is around 500W
I read somewhere that GPU manufacturers overstate the wattage to make up for dishonest PSU manufacturers who make PSUs with lower wattage than stated.
Also, AMD estimates the peak power draw of a Radeon HD 4890 card at about 190W

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"It's Core i7 965 / X58 based and overclocked to 3.7 GHz. Next to that we have energy saving functions disabled for this motherboard and processor (to ensure consistent benchmark results). The ASUS motherboard also allows adding power phases for stability, which we enabled as well. I'd say on average we are using roughly 70~100 Watts more than a standard PC due to these settings + CPU overclock. Keep that in mind.

System in IDLE = 223 Watt
System with GPU in FULL Stress = 370 Watt
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My i5-2300 is about 95W, so combined is maybe 300 watts.
So I should be safe with the included Dell 460WPSU.

Edited by Alestre, 03 October 2011 - 06:18 PM.


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Posted 03 October 2011 - 06:19 PM

I'm just not sure whether the card will fit. That is the main problem.
I Googled and found that the length is 9.5 inches (though I also get contradicting lengths of 10.5)

The Dell XPS 8300 can come with these cards preinstalled
AMD Radeon™ HD 6450 1GB DDR3
Nvidia® Geforce® GT530
AMD Radeon™ HD 6670 1GB DDR5
AMD Radeon™ HD 6770
Single AMD Radeon™ HD 6870
Nvidia® GeForce® GTX 560
Single 1GB GDDR5 NVIDIA® GeForce® GTS 450

Are any of them bigger than a 4890 or same size?

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Posted 03 October 2011 - 06:42 PM

The 6870 is longer then the 4890.

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Posted 03 October 2011 - 06:55 PM

Those two cards are old, simple as that. We are nearing the end of the Radeon 6000 series already and the GTS 250 is merely a rebranded 9800 GTX, which was out before the new(er) GTX lines. According to Dell's website, that computer can come, from the factory, with a Radeon 6870. I doubt Dell would list that if there were issues making it fit. However, most Radeon 6870's require a 500W PSU. Card size varies quite a bit based on the cooler, typically the 4890 is about 9.5 to 10 inches or so long. The Radeon 6850 is more powerful than a 4890 and about nine inches long. The 4890 has theoretical specs of the Radeon 6700 line.

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Posted 03 October 2011 - 07:17 PM

Thanks for the help. I just sent an email to the seller on craiglist. Hopefully they still have the receipt, then I can get whats left of the 2 year warranty from Sapphire. Is there any good program that can run tests for wear and tear, and problems? (preferably with easy to understand results)

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Posted 04 October 2011 - 05:33 AM

You can try to "torture" it by using Furmark but be careful with that program as it could damage the card. The point of doing that is to see how well the cooler performs under full stress.

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Posted 04 October 2011 - 04:47 PM

The seller sent this image. Is this good enough?

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If I have him test it with Passmark's PerformanceTest as well, would that do?
It's a small file and quick. Here's the results for my current netbook.

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Posted 04 October 2011 - 07:13 PM

I believe that is stock speed. If it good enough, it would do the job that you wanted it to do.

Edited by killerx525, 04 October 2011 - 07:13 PM.

>Michael 
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Posted 05 October 2011 - 04:08 PM

O wait, I forgot, what's a game where I can REALLY see the difference between my Intel HD 2000 card and the HD 4890? I also bought Dead Rising 2, which I've been meaning to try, but it just wouldn't work with the computers I have.

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Posted 05 October 2011 - 06:48 PM

To really see the difference, you must try the games you have first on the current graphics then when the new card arrives, you can test it out to see how much of difference it is.

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Posted 05 October 2011 - 10:23 PM

I just realized my monitor is really old. It's a 15 inch Envision with only VGA. According to Dell, the XPS 8300 has VGA output. But the HD 4890 doesn't have any D-SUB. Would it still work with my crappy monitor somehow? :o

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Posted 06 October 2011 - 10:14 AM

You could simply get a adapter which means you don't need to buy a new monitor :thumbup2:

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