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#1 Kn3wB

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Posted 25 September 2011 - 10:43 AM

Hello I'm basically trying to build a high end computer from scratch basically (think I can salvage from my old optical DVD drives/mouse/keyboard/headset and I have an awesome monitor already!!).

Background/Needs: I'm a hardcore gamer, but I also like to run on a longer upgrade cycle than most(my computer needs to last 5yr at least). I will play my computer at bare minimums in it's later years for as long as possible until the games I want to play just don't run period (below minimum specs)...I've done this successfully in the past and I'm just barely short or too close to be comfortable for diablo 3 and I also have my eye on some upcoming FPShooters.


Reservations:
-I DON'T OVERCLOCK anything...but I might do it in the 4th/5th year if I am forced to do so. (However I think I'm going to use 1600MHz RAM rather than the listed "Memory Specifications of 1333/1060 for i7/i5 processors...I've read it's not actually 'overclocking' per se, just have to change the speed to the correct 1600MHz in BIOS, because the Motherboard&RAM I'm buying supports the 1600MHz.)
-I want Intel, not AMD.
-I like ASUS Motherboards and EVGA GeForce video cards...those have been home runs for me in the past!
-I'm waiting awhile before I worry about getting a Solid State Drive and Hard Drives are easy to replace/upgrade later...compared to other parts

CURRENTLY PLAN TO BUY:

MOBO- $200 ASUS Sabertooth P67 (5yr warranty, super durable/quality) [Better than ASUS P8Z68-V Pro??? same price]
CPU- $315 Intel Core i7-2600K (hoping it has more longevity in terms of gaming down the road than the i5-2500K)
GPU- $330 EVGA GeForce GTX 570 1280mb
RAM- $110 G.SKill Ripjaw Series 16GB(4x4gb) 1600MHz (PC3 12800) CL: 9, 1.5v, 9-9-9-24-2N timing
HDD- $55 Western Digital Caviar Black 750GB, 7200rpm, 64mb cache, SATA 6.0gb/s -Bare Drive
OS- $100 Windows 7 Home Premium (64bit)

Current Total: $1110 +shipping/tax(California)...(plus a few instant savings/rebates that I didn't include)

Others I considered, non-Front runners:
-ASUS P8Z68-V Pro $200 (3yr warranty; doesn't seem like I was actually missing out on anything important)
-Intel Core i7-2500K $220 ($95 cheaper, but hoping the extra money for the i7 gives another 6+ months longevity for gaming)
-EVGA GeForce GTX 560-Ti FPB 1GB $250 (again hoping the extra $80 translates into longer before being obsolete)

Are any of my assumptions incorrect? Or do you guys think some of these would actually be better for my build? Taking into account my Needs/Reservations... Thanks!

I NEED HELP deciding on the following!!:

-CPU Fan/Heatsink!!! (need my stuff to run at safe temperatures at all times!)

-CASE!!! (old/big Antec tower is like 10yr(?) old or something, as standard/basic looking as you can get I think...was like $130 I think.)
*Basically I want a big/spacious tower that I can use for the next 10+ years...most important feature is keeping all the components inside SAFE and running COOL...dislike filmsy plastic, and water cooling...hoping for good airflow/fan action if possible. Let me know what is best/possible, prefferably under $200, but something worthy of the components I'm putting inside basically. Open to suggestions! Coolmaster, Antec, etc..??

-MISC Cooling??? What additional fans do you suggest for the case? External Cooling Devices? Anything?

-Power Supply...how many Watts are needed for all this stuff and how many watts should I actually purchase? Brands etc?

-MISC Stuff that I'm forgetting? (Planning on using onboard sound/internet)

-Or if you had something completely different in mind on any component that you think fits my Needs/Reservations and I didn't mention

THANK You all to anybody who responds and offers insight!! If you actually read all this stuff and try to help me out I will be GREATFUL!

Edited by Kn3wB, 25 September 2011 - 10:43 AM.


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Posted 25 September 2011 - 01:56 PM

If you can wait a month, do so. AMD should be releasing their new Bulldozer line that costs less and is competitive with the Sandy Bridge parts. Specifically, look at the FX-8150P which is eight cores at 3.6GHz. Even if you are loyal to Intel, that should put downward pressure on price. Same thing with Nvidia, AMD does have a better card for the same cash, the Radeon 6970. Frankly, I find brand loyalty in computer hardware rather silly, especially if a competing brand can offer similar performance and equal compatibility at a lower price.

As for the heatsink issue, stock coolers work fine, unless you overclock or run it in a warm environment. I've had gaming PC's that had stock CPU fans and it lasted for over five years with no issues. You don't need super high-end, but if you just want things a little cooler, the COOLER MASTER V8 RR-UV8-XBU1-GP seems good.

The case is also another issue you have to plan ahead for. Are you going to be using a multi-GPU setup? If so, you need a Full-ATX case for the best cooling, same thing with the high-end GPU's you are considering. Once you get past this, cases are largely a style issue. I've always liked the Cosmos line from Coolermaster, it's a shame they got rid of the gray and white model. But the line is still around with the COOLER MASTER COSMOS S RC-1100-KKN1-GP. Aluminum cases are usually the best made ones around. Lian Li also makes some great aluminum cases, like the LIAN LI PC-A71F.

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Posted 25 September 2011 - 07:53 PM

If you plan not to crossfire then the ENERMAX NAXN 80+ ENP600AWT 600W would do but if you do crossfire then the CORSAIR Enthusiast Series TX850 V2 850W would be able to do the job.

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Posted 26 September 2011 - 11:27 AM

One change I'd make is to add a SSD for my boot and programs drive. Get one that is big enough to hold your games and you should see a performance boost in any part of the game that needs to load off of the drive.

Switching to SSDs has been a big boost in general performance for me.

FWIW Intel 320 Series have a 5 year warranty but should have their firmware updated to the latest to avoid data loss. Not the fastest but I believe one of the better warranty periods and I'm fairly sure they'll stay in business.

I've backed up two of mine just in case and have two more to back up.

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Posted 26 September 2011 - 12:38 PM

Hello I'm basically trying to build a high end computer from scratch basically (think I can salvage from my old optical DVD drives/mouse/keyboard/headset and I have an awesome monitor already!!).

Background/Needs: I'm a hardcore gamer, but I also like to run on a longer upgrade cycle than most(my computer needs to last 5yr at least). I will play my computer at bare minimums in it's later years for as long as possible until the games I want to play just don't run period (below minimum specs)...I've done this successfully in the past and I'm just barely short or too close to be comfortable for diablo 3 and I also have my eye on some upcoming FPShooters.


Reservations:
-I DON'T OVERCLOCK anything...but I might do it in the 4th/5th year if I am forced to do so. (However I think I'm going to use 1600MHz RAM rather than the listed "Memory Specifications of 1333/1060 for i7/i5 processors...I've read it's not actually 'overclocking' per se, just have to change the speed to the correct 1600MHz in BIOS, because the Motherboard&RAM I'm buying supports the 1600MHz.)
-I want Intel, not AMD.
-I like ASUS Motherboards and EVGA GeForce video cards...those have been home runs for me in the past!
-I'm waiting awhile before I worry about getting a Solid State Drive and Hard Drives are easy to replace/upgrade later...compared to other parts

CURRENTLY PLAN TO BUY:

MOBO- $200 ASUS Sabertooth P67 (5yr warranty, super durable/quality) [Better than ASUS P8Z68-V Pro??? same price]
CPU- $315 Intel Core i7-2600K (hoping it has more longevity in terms of gaming down the road than the i5-2500K)
GPU- $330 EVGA GeForce GTX 570 1280mb
RAM- $110 G.SKill Ripjaw Series 16GB(4x4gb) 1600MHz (PC3 12800) CL: 9, 1.5v, 9-9-9-24-2N timing
HDD- $55 Western Digital Caviar Black 750GB, 7200rpm, 64mb cache, SATA 6.0gb/s -Bare Drive
OS- $100 Windows 7 Home Premium (64bit)

Current Total: $1110 +shipping/tax(California)...(plus a few instant savings/rebates that I didn't include)

Others I considered, non-Front runners:
-ASUS P8Z68-V Pro $200 (3yr warranty; doesn't seem like I was actually missing out on anything important)
-Intel Core i7-2500K $220 ($95 cheaper, but hoping the extra money for the i7 gives another 6+ months longevity for gaming)
-EVGA GeForce GTX 560-Ti FPB 1GB $250 (again hoping the extra $80 translates into longer before being obsolete)

Are any of my assumptions incorrect? Or do you guys think some of these would actually be better for my build? Taking into account my Needs/Reservations... Thanks!

I NEED HELP deciding on the following!!:

-CPU Fan/Heatsink!!! (need my stuff to run at safe temperatures at all times!)

-CASE!!! (old/big Antec tower is like 10yr(?) old or something, as standard/basic looking as you can get I think...was like $130 I think.)
*Basically I want a big/spacious tower that I can use for the next 10+ years...most important feature is keeping all the components inside SAFE and running COOL...dislike filmsy plastic, and water cooling...hoping for good airflow/fan action if possible. Let me know what is best/possible, prefferably under $200, but something worthy of the components I'm putting inside basically. Open to suggestions! Coolmaster, Antec, etc..??

-MISC Cooling??? What additional fans do you suggest for the case? External Cooling Devices? Anything?

-Power Supply...how many Watts are needed for all this stuff and how many watts should I actually purchase? Brands etc?

-MISC Stuff that I'm forgetting? (Planning on using onboard sound/internet)

-Or if you had something completely different in mind on any component that you think fits my Needs/Reservations and I didn't mention

THANK You all to anybody who responds and offers insight!! If you actually read all this stuff and try to help me out I will be GREATFUL!


I would go with a quality Z68 mobo with PCIE3 capability since you want to keep your machine for a while, plus z68 has more features and if your graphics card goes out you're covered
I dunno if Asus has pcie3(gen3) mobo's yet
Get a 2500k or a 2400 or even a 2100(it beats an amd 955 BE) and you can pick up an ivy bridge when they come out (to run pcie3 you need ivy bridge)

Ram
Looks good but works quickest at 1N timing

HDD
Samsung 1tb F3 sata3 is quicker than WD sata6 hd's and about same price as the 750 on newegg

OS
Go with win7Pro will be supported longer than Win 7 home which will not be supported after 2013 I think

CPU cooler
either corsair A70 or Coolermaster hyper 212 can add on extra fan for push pull if need be

Options are not ranked in any order

Case
You want nothing less than 7.5" width on any case to fit most tower aftermarket CPU cooler

Midtower
Rosewill Future comes with 4 fans installed
Rosewill BLACKHAWK
zalman Z9+ comes with 4 fans
Thermaltake Armor+MX VH8000BWS
Fractal Design Core 3000 ATX
Coolermaster CM 690 II
SILVERSTONE Precision Series PS06B-W Black
Tower
SILVERSTONE RAVEN RV02B-EW
HEC 98 98R9BB Black
Thermaltake ArmorPlus(Armor+) VH6000BWS

PSU
From your specs it looks like you will need @ least a 550w for the GTX570, if you leave your pc on all the time the caps in your PSU will degrade more quickly
To compensate for this I bumped you up to a 700w but for the same price you can get a 750w hence the choices below.
If you plan on Xfire or Sli the you need a 750w and a 900w will compensate for cap degradation

Antec High Current Gamer Series HCG-900 900W
Antec High Current Gamer Series HCG-750 750W
OCZ OCZ750FTY 750W
OCZ ZS Series OCZ-ZS750W 750W
Antec EarthWatts Series EA-750 Green 750W

Case fans
Rosewill, masscool, coolermaster, scythe, noctua, vantec etc

Keyboard and mouse?? I suggest Razer Lycosa KB, deathadder mouse

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Posted 26 September 2011 - 02:04 PM

I decided to finally go ahead and submit my purchase today(the 4-day marathon hunt is finally done!)! I ended putting together and building the following machine, after considering insight/advice I received from you guys here and from a few other sources I ended up with this machine:

I have one last really important question!!!:
Do I need to buy/replace any/all the fans in the Cool Master HAF 932 Advanced in your guys opinion? or are all the stock fans capable for my situation?? Thanks

-I wont be overclocking anything for at least 3 years...due to having to use stock cpu fan during that time.
-I wont be changing the i5-2500K stock CPU fan...it voids 3yr warranty, but was told it's sufficient for non-OC's anyways...

(not going fully into detail here, but if your curious about a specific item I bought these all from newegg at these prices.)

Case- $160 Cool Master HAF 932 Advanced
PSU- $135 Corsair Enthusiast Series 850W
MOBO- $200 ASUS Sabertooth P67
CPU- $220 Intel Core i5-2500K
GPU- $330 EVGA GeForce GTX 570
HDD- $55 Western Digital Caviar Black[750gb, SATA 6.0gb/s, 7200rpm, 64mb cache] (I know I could have gone to 1TB or higher at a fair price, but it's plenty for me)
RAM- $140 G. Skill Ripjaw Series 16GB (4gbx4) [Dual Channel 1600MHz (PC3 12800), 1.5v, CL:8, 8-8-8-24 Timings] (bought two 4gbx2 packs at $70 each, might be overkill but if a pair goes bad I still have 8gb to continue gaming while waiting for RMA)
OS- Windows 7 Home Premium 64bit OEM $100

I also got a $7 mouse!! heh

GRAND TOTAL: $1445 (after California tax + 3day UPS shipping + rush processing)

I also have like another $50 off in mail-in rebates/promo code instant savings(which I didn't include, because it's easier for you to find it with the prices I listed)...also a free batman game and 2 free memory cards or something(didn't influence the purchase...)

FUTURE PLANNED UPGRADES: After 3 years have passed and the 3yr warranty is gone from the i5-2500K I will get an after-market CPU Fan/Heatsink if I end up having to overclock it to keep myself playing games in years to come. Also I can potential add a 2nd GTX 570 if needed. Doubt I will need a bigger storage HDD, but a SSD when they are better/cheaper is a possibility.

THANK YOU ALL who contributed to my efforts and added your insight! I looked and compared and researched all the parts mentioned and even if I didn't go with what was suggestioned it still ultimately helped me decide on this configuration!!!

Let me know what you think of how I did overall...be honest, I can take it!!

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Posted 26 September 2011 - 02:13 PM

Nice selection but your mobo will prevent you from upgrading to PCIE3 when they come out

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Posted 26 September 2011 - 05:21 PM

...you would also probably get a better deal if you waited a couple of weeks.

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Posted 26 September 2011 - 07:10 PM

...you would also probably get a better deal if you waited a couple of weeks.

Is that because it will be lower prices for the Intel processors when AMD releases the Bulldozer processors?

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System1: CPU- Intel Core i7-5820K @ 4.4GHz, CPU Cooler- Noctua NH-D14, RAM- G.Skill Ripjaws 16GB Kit(4Gx4) DDR3 2133MHz, SSD/HDD- Samsung 850 EVO 250GB/Western Digital Caviar Black 1TB/Seagate Barracuada 3TB, GPU- 2x EVGA GTX980 Superclocked @1360/MHz1900MHz, Motherboard- Asus X99 Deluxe, Case- Custom Mac G5, PSU- EVGA P2-1000W, Soundcard- Realtek High Definition Audio, OS- Windows 10 Pro 64-Bit
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Posted 27 September 2011 - 04:40 PM

If AMD's CPU's are competitive, which it looks like they are according to some benchmarks, which you should always take with a massive grain of salt, then yes offering a similarly performing CPU for less should cause Intel to drop prices.

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Posted 27 September 2011 - 06:47 PM

Good timing too, i'm gonna build a uncle another Intel based desktop for him :thumbsup:

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System1: CPU- Intel Core i7-5820K @ 4.4GHz, CPU Cooler- Noctua NH-D14, RAM- G.Skill Ripjaws 16GB Kit(4Gx4) DDR3 2133MHz, SSD/HDD- Samsung 850 EVO 250GB/Western Digital Caviar Black 1TB/Seagate Barracuada 3TB, GPU- 2x EVGA GTX980 Superclocked @1360/MHz1900MHz, Motherboard- Asus X99 Deluxe, Case- Custom Mac G5, PSU- EVGA P2-1000W, Soundcard- Realtek High Definition Audio, OS- Windows 10 Pro 64-Bit
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Posted 28 September 2011 - 09:31 AM

You might as well be sure to get him USB3 on the motherboard it sure does make a difference in moving files to/from a external drive.

In my experience using it for a build for my brother the I7 2600 paired with a SSD flies Add a 1Tb for data and good. It encodes video for him really fast. He loves the speed difference since I upgraded him from a P4 3.4Ghz.

Some gotchas to look for since it isn't your own computer.

Make sure no legacy ports are needed. I had to go back and put a parallel port in for his old HP printer. He's right the cartridges last longer for the same money in that printer and it still prints even though the color ran out.

Second Gotcha I hit, He still uses floppies to read things off of.

Third one I did here at work was take his data drive and transfer his old IDE drive data to it, his old SATA I just hooked up. One thing left to do is back up his Boot SSD to a smaller Backup SSD just in case the firmware update goes bad. I got the 60Gb Samsung SSDs really cheap.

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Posted 28 September 2011 - 10:31 AM

For this build i would be focusing on the monitor, so most of the money will go there.

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System1: CPU- Intel Core i7-5820K @ 4.4GHz, CPU Cooler- Noctua NH-D14, RAM- G.Skill Ripjaws 16GB Kit(4Gx4) DDR3 2133MHz, SSD/HDD- Samsung 850 EVO 250GB/Western Digital Caviar Black 1TB/Seagate Barracuada 3TB, GPU- 2x EVGA GTX980 Superclocked @1360/MHz1900MHz, Motherboard- Asus X99 Deluxe, Case- Custom Mac G5, PSU- EVGA P2-1000W, Soundcard- Realtek High Definition Audio, OS- Windows 10 Pro 64-Bit
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