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#1 ejames82

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Posted 23 September 2011 - 11:02 AM

hi,

I was given an IBM/lenovo thinkcentre. it says MT-M 8113-D5U S/N LKKHP32 on the front piece. I have spent considerable time researching this computer and info that I would consider reliable has been unobtainable. I was hoping that by asking for help, someone with experience with these computers could point me in the right direction. I have heard that the bios can be updated, the processor can be upgraded, and I want to max it out with ram as a 32bit system.

I know you are probably going to need a speccy, belarc advisor, or everest, I thought I would wait until these things were asked for, so as not to clutter the thread unnecessarily.

any expertise would be most appreciated. thanks.

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Posted 23 September 2011 - 04:17 PM

go ahead and post a speccy shot if you can. :D

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Posted 24 September 2011 - 07:46 AM

Publish a Snapshot using Speccy

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Posted 24 September 2011 - 08:16 AM

thanks guys. good to see you.

here's the speccy.

http://speccy.piriform.com/results/4iVIYT7x6IBUsfR7AmZGwsT

I hope the link works.

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Posted 24 September 2011 - 10:24 AM

Is this a Lenovo ThinkCentre M52 8113-D5U? If it is then the upgrading processor would be quite a difficult task and it the ram supports up to 4GB which can be easily upgraded.

http://forums.lenovo.com/t5/A-and-M-Series-ThinkCentre/M52-8113-D5U-ThinkCentre-Processor-CPU-Upgrade/td-p/62785

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Posted 24 September 2011 - 10:36 AM

thanks for the reply Mike.

I haven't checked your link yet, but I will (I just walked through the door).

does that 4gb figure pertain to 32bit OS's?

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Posted 24 September 2011 - 06:11 PM

It will only detect up to a certain amount of ram which is roughly about 3GB.

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Posted 24 September 2011 - 11:12 PM

Mike,

yes, it's a Lenovo ThinkCentre M52 8113-D5U. If it wasn't for the speccy (and you pointing this out to me), I would not even know that it is a M52. Nowhere on the machine does it say "M52" (shame on IBM/lenovo for this). This is really important info because the crucial memory configurator doesn't pertain to this computer without "M52".

according to that link, viciouslizard says that the computer won't run 64bit, only 32bit (which is fine with me), so I will just go for new ram. It will probably be a two-stick kit of 1gb, and a two-stick kit of 512mb, both being dual channel if supported.

like viciouslizard, if I could clearly see which processor is the best one to upgrade to, with a comfortable probability of success, I would give it a shot. fortunately for me, I have two years of google info that he didn't have.

I appreciate the help.

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Posted 24 September 2011 - 11:21 PM

Running 2 x 1GB ram will run dual channel, you should take out the 512mb ram.

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Posted 25 September 2011 - 10:09 AM

'you should take out the 512mb ram.'
this is a heartbreaker, but to find another stick exactly like it is unlikely

Running 2 x 1GB ram will run dual channel
that takes advantage of one channel, and the other channel I should be able to fill with 2 X 512mb and also get dual channel. do you agree?

I ran a memtest86 a couple of days ago and it said that my cpu is a pentium d. from your review of the speccy, would this be your finding as well?

another thing viciouslizard was talking about was 'stepping'. this is new territory for me. do you know anything about this? I also need to go back and re-read the thread and try to find out which cpu he was hoping to use. chances are, that would be the cpu that I would want to use as well, unless pentium d is better, which would mean I would want to leave the cpu as it is.

thanks again, Mike.

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Posted 25 September 2011 - 10:59 AM

apparently, pentium d has more than one variation. according to this thread:

http://forums.lenovo.com/t5/A-and-M-Series-ThinkCentre/M52-8113-D5U-ThinkCentre-Processor-CPU-ERROR-MESSAGE-despite-CPU/td-p/80647

viciouslizard was focused on using the Presler (as long as its one of the 95 watt models and not the 130 watt), and according to the thread this motherboard does support the D stepping, 65 NM, 95 Watt versions of the Presler core. however, according to him, the bios needs to be flash-upgraded. I have also read that this needs to be done via floppy so as not to get an error message.
there was no D0 stepping in the 800 series, but was in the 900 series, so the 900 series is the perferred cpu.

another thing, is copying as pasting text into a thread allowed?

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Posted 25 September 2011 - 07:37 PM

You would want just want to run the same identical ram sticks to avoid any problems and downgrade in performance. According to speccy, it says you have Pentium 4 631. I know thing or two about stepping but it can get confusing sometimes because of the different steppings. The pentium d is better then the pentium 4 because the pentium d is dual core whereas the pentium 4 is single core. I'm not exactly sure if you can copy another thread onto here.

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Posted 26 September 2011 - 11:07 AM

from what I have found in my research, the cpu I have is worth sticking with (an 'upgrade' to the Presler has it's pluses and minuses). I just do regular surfing and occasionally watch a movie over the computer. I figured I would get 3gb of dual channel ram first, then possibly get a video card.
I don't know much about video cards and they are quite expensive according to my experience. If you know of any video cards that would work on this computer and deliver bang for the buck, feel free to advise. I like tigerdirect and newegg.
I always appreciate your reply, Mike.

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Posted 26 September 2011 - 08:08 PM

If it's only regular surfing the and occasional movie then the current one you have which is a single core Pentium 4 should do. My brother's desktop uses a Pentium 4 with older socket then the one you have and he weirdly still can play games on it without any lag.

To upgrade a Pentium D M52 8113-D5U to run modern games you want to do the following:

1) Upgrade the power supply to a 450 to 550 watt PSU.
2) Upgrade the BIOS to the latest version.
3) Upgrade the CPU to a Pentium D 945 or Pentium D 950 (must be the D stepping or it won't work).
4) In the BIOS set the fan to run at maximum, otherwise your CPU will burn up.
5) Install a low form factor PNY 9800 GT EE or low form factor Galaxy 9600 GT.
6) Install two 1 GB modules in one channel and two 512 modules in the second channel.
7) Optimise the operating system. You can only run 32 bit operating systems on this motherboard.
*I've run Linux Fedora, Linux Ubuntu, Windows 2000, Windows XP, Windows Server 2003, and Vista 32 bit with no problems. I'm about to install Windows 7 on it today.


What i have found is that first, you have a PCI-E slot so basically you have a large range of graphics card choice which you need to upgrade the power supply first. Now the current power supply itself is a 310W BTX and the problem with that is your gonna need more wattage to power up a graphics card without having to push the power supply to the limits and it is a BTX form which is gonna be tricky to find. The quote above says that you should 1GB and 512mb used together which i usually don't do but since your motherboard can't support 64bit and it would be useless to upgrade it to 4GB, it looks like we have to go with that configuration.

I found a on ebay a Pentium D 945 which is a D stepping which is for $25 if you still want to upgrade the processor, it's pretty good price to pay for in my opinion. Can you take photo of inside of your computer?

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Posted 26 September 2011 - 10:44 PM

well, that's not welcomed news about the power supply, but it's good that I know about it in advance as that is something I would have overlooked. that was excellent research.
and I know that you're correct about that advise too, by the way.

I think I will check into that cpu. $25 is not much money to invest in a project.

the ram is cheap enough too. this is going to be fun. I'll get that picture for you in a couple of days.

thanks for the time you've spent and I'll keep you posted.




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