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#1 Zebug

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Posted 22 August 2011 - 10:10 PM

Greetings all. You all helped me build my very first rig about 14 months ago...and I love my gaming beast of a machine which has worked flawlessly since. Now I have a friend that needs a new computer and I told her I'd build it for her and save some cash.

Anyway, this comp will NOT be used for gaming. Mainly data entry but she does own her own business and might do a little web design on it to promote the business on her website. Anyway, I was looking at the following components. I would love for some feedback, other suggestions especially if it is for something better/similar for a cheaper price. Also, if something jumps out at you that screams, "these won't work together" please speak your mind.

standard mid-tower case
she won't want any LED's on the case

MSI 880GM-E41 micro mobo

AMD Phenom II X4 925

G.SKILL Ripjaws Series 8GB (2 x 4GB) 240-Pin DDR3 SDRAM DDR3 160

Rosewill 600W PSU

WD 750GB hard drive

ASUS 21.5" standard monitor

Of course, a dvd drive, and windows 7 64-bit.

My concerns:
1) the mobo has a built in video card but I figured that IF she needs a little more kick, I'd just upgrade my own 5770 so she can have that. If that happens, will that card fit in this micro mobo?

2) do you think the case is big enough? The one I built before is a full tower with a regular sized mobo...and good lord I think I can hide a child in that case.

thanks all, really any thoughts you have please share. Oh and that current price on newegg is ~$650 signed, sealed and delivered.

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Posted 23 August 2011 - 12:23 AM

Don't care for micro/mini ATX boards.
Because of the compactness of all of the components, sufficient cooling could pose a problem.
Heat kills electronics.

Would also suggest you go with a name brand power supply (Corsair, Antec, Silverstone, etc.).
Rosewill power supplies are cheap for a reason; they're built as cheaply as possible, using cheap components.
If you ever had a chance to hold a 600W Rosewill in one hand, and a 600W Corsair in the other, you would throw the Rosewill in the trash, without even thinking twice about it. :)

Two things you don't EVER want to skimp on, when building a computer; the motherboard and the power supply.

Also, if you're set on that case, I'd suggest at least 1 additional fan in the front for air intake.
Better yet would be to max it out, by using 4.

For what she's going to be using the system for, you could go with this RAM, and save some money:
G.SKILL Ripjaws Series 8GB (2 x 4GB) 240-Pin DDR3 1066 (PC3 8500) - $44.99
MOBO: GIGABYTE GA-MA790X-UD4P, CPU: Phenom II X4 955 Deneb BE, HS/F: CoolerMaster V8, RAM: 2 x 1G Kingston HyperX DDR2 800, VGA: ECS GeForce Black GTX 560, PSU: Antec TruePower Modular 750W, Soundcard: Asus Xonar D1, Case: CoolerMaster COSMOS 1000, Storage: Internal - 2 x Seagate 250GB SATA, 2 x WD 1TB SATA; External - Seagate 500GB USB, WD 640GB eSATA, 3 x WD 1TB eSATA

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Posted 23 August 2011 - 01:40 AM

Motherboard: GIGABYTE GA-970A-D3 AM3+ AMD 970 SATA 6Gb/s USB 3.0 ATX AMD Motherboard - $100 - This board uses the latest AM3+ socket which will allow you to upgrade to the Bulldozer processors when it is released and it has all of the latest features like USB 3.0, SATA III etc.

Power supply: CORSAIR Builder Series CX600 V2 600W ATX12V v2.3 80 PLUS Certified Active PFC - $70 - 600W is enough and you will have the option in future to use a graphics card. This also has 80 plus energy efficiency.

Ram: Kingston 4GB 240-Pin DDR3 SDRAM DDR3 1333 (PC3 10600) Desktop Memory Model KVR1333D3N9/4G - $24 - 1 stick of 4GB of ram is enough for the tasks mentioned. This will leave a option in the future to add another 4GB stick to make it 8GB of ram if needed.

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System1: CPU- Intel Core i7-5820K @ 4.4GHz, CPU Cooler- Noctua NH-D14, RAM- G.Skill Ripjaws 16GB Kit(4Gx4) DDR3 2133MHz, SSD/HDD- Samsung 850 EVO 250GB/Western Digital Caviar Black 1TB/Seagate Barracuada 3TB, GPU- 2x EVGA GTX980 Superclocked @1360/MHz1900MHz, Motherboard- Asus X99 Deluxe, Case- Custom Mac G5, PSU- EVGA P2-1000W, Soundcard- Realtek High Definition Audio, OS- Windows 10 Pro 64-Bit
Games: APB: Reloaded, Hours played: 3100+  System2: Late 2011 Macbook Pro 15inch   OFw63FY.png


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Posted 23 August 2011 - 07:05 AM

awesome guys thanks. I was concerned about the micro board so I'm glad you confirmed my thoughts. I like the swapping of paying more for the mobo and PSU as both of you mentioned and then dropping down in the RAM department.

I'm not set on that case, that is the main piece of equipment that my friend will have a say in but I haven't shown it to her yet(she is the one that has to look at it everyday). I'll take a look at other mobo's as the one Killerx525 listed doesn't have onboard graphics...not a deal killer at all since I am willing to part with my 5770 and upgrade before BF3 comes out:)

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Posted 23 August 2011 - 08:11 AM

The higher chipset motherboards usually don't have onboard graphics. Here is a low end graphics card which is fine for the tasks and this card can even play BFBC2 at medium settings.

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System1: CPU- Intel Core i7-5820K @ 4.4GHz, CPU Cooler- Noctua NH-D14, RAM- G.Skill Ripjaws 16GB Kit(4Gx4) DDR3 2133MHz, SSD/HDD- Samsung 850 EVO 250GB/Western Digital Caviar Black 1TB/Seagate Barracuada 3TB, GPU- 2x EVGA GTX980 Superclocked @1360/MHz1900MHz, Motherboard- Asus X99 Deluxe, Case- Custom Mac G5, PSU- EVGA P2-1000W, Soundcard- Realtek High Definition Audio, OS- Windows 10 Pro 64-Bit
Games: APB: Reloaded, Hours played: 3100+  System2: Late 2011 Macbook Pro 15inch   OFw63FY.png


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Posted 23 August 2011 - 03:30 PM

Have you considered an AMD APU-based system? This seems like a good use case for one.

Motherboard: MSI A75A-G35 FM1 AMD A75 - This supports AMD's FM1 APU's. This will also take a PCI-E graphics card, if needed, and is a standard ATX motherboard. $85

APU/CPU: AMD A8-3850 Llano 2.9GHz - This is a Phenom II X4 clocked at 2.9GHz. with a Radeon 6550 on the CPU itself. This is more powerful than any motherboard-integrated graphics solution. $139

Everything else, along with the above suggestions and a copy of Windows 7, is great.

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Posted 23 August 2011 - 04:41 PM

The 6550 is much better then the 4250 on that MSI motherboard.

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System1: CPU- Intel Core i7-5820K @ 4.4GHz, CPU Cooler- Noctua NH-D14, RAM- G.Skill Ripjaws 16GB Kit(4Gx4) DDR3 2133MHz, SSD/HDD- Samsung 850 EVO 250GB/Western Digital Caviar Black 1TB/Seagate Barracuada 3TB, GPU- 2x EVGA GTX980 Superclocked @1360/MHz1900MHz, Motherboard- Asus X99 Deluxe, Case- Custom Mac G5, PSU- EVGA P2-1000W, Soundcard- Realtek High Definition Audio, OS- Windows 10 Pro 64-Bit
Games: APB: Reloaded, Hours played: 3100+  System2: Late 2011 Macbook Pro 15inch   OFw63FY.png


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Posted 23 August 2011 - 09:46 PM

goodness no, I haven't even heard of an APU, but I am intrigued for sure. To be honest, coming from you DJBPace I am even more intrigued.

ok, I swapped the RAM and PSU that Killer suggested and swapped the mobo and APU that DJBPace suggested.

Now that I think about it, I can't use my copy of Windows 7 that I used for my current rig can I (linked below)? I seem to remember reading that it is tied to your mobo or something.
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16832116754&nm_mc=TEMC-RMA-Approvel&cm_mmc=TEMC-RMA-Approvel-_-Content-_-text-_-

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Posted 23 August 2011 - 10:05 PM

No, you can not use your copy of windows 7. OEM are pretty much tied to the motherboard and retail can be only used on one computer at a time.

>Michael 
System1: CPU- Intel Core i7-5820K @ 4.4GHz, CPU Cooler- Noctua NH-D14, RAM- G.Skill Ripjaws 16GB Kit(4Gx4) DDR3 2133MHz, SSD/HDD- Samsung 850 EVO 250GB/Western Digital Caviar Black 1TB/Seagate Barracuada 3TB, GPU- 2x EVGA GTX980 Superclocked @1360/MHz1900MHz, Motherboard- Asus X99 Deluxe, Case- Custom Mac G5, PSU- EVGA P2-1000W, Soundcard- Realtek High Definition Audio, OS- Windows 10 Pro 64-Bit
Games: APB: Reloaded, Hours played: 3100+  System2: Late 2011 Macbook Pro 15inch   OFw63FY.png


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Posted 24 August 2011 - 06:54 AM

ya that is what I thought killer but couldn't recall for sure...its been over a year since I was looking to build and I'm pretty sure the brain cells that held that data have been killed off by now.

Anyway, thanks so much for the help to everyone. Side note, my friend was being pointed in the direction of OptiPlex 390 Desktop from some salesman for more than what I can build it for....dear god why did I EVER buy a computer and not build myself.

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Posted 24 August 2011 - 07:26 AM

In my short life, i have never ever went to the retail shops to buy a desktop PC or even a laptop. All my desktops were custom built by my uncle but now i build it myself and the laptops are bought from a small computer shop not retail.

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System1: CPU- Intel Core i7-5820K @ 4.4GHz, CPU Cooler- Noctua NH-D14, RAM- G.Skill Ripjaws 16GB Kit(4Gx4) DDR3 2133MHz, SSD/HDD- Samsung 850 EVO 250GB/Western Digital Caviar Black 1TB/Seagate Barracuada 3TB, GPU- 2x EVGA GTX980 Superclocked @1360/MHz1900MHz, Motherboard- Asus X99 Deluxe, Case- Custom Mac G5, PSU- EVGA P2-1000W, Soundcard- Realtek High Definition Audio, OS- Windows 10 Pro 64-Bit
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Posted 24 August 2011 - 04:06 PM

Will a Windows 7 Anytime Upgrade to another version alter the license to make it retail? From Windows 7 Home Premium to Professional using that upgrade path, for instance. I'm not sure how business-y this use case is, but if you are going to be doing automated backups over a network, say, to a NAS over gigabit ethernet, you will need the Professional version. I've just discovered this, the hard way. At any rate, OEM installs should not be used again after being paird to a motherboard. Though, there are ways to make it work and I'm not sure how long Microsoft keeps license key numbers in their database for validation.

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Posted 24 August 2011 - 04:27 PM

It depends how the business runs and the way they use their system but it would better off to get Professional for businesses. My school all uses Professional because of the extra network features that is needed to link all computers from both campuses.

>Michael 
System1: CPU- Intel Core i7-5820K @ 4.4GHz, CPU Cooler- Noctua NH-D14, RAM- G.Skill Ripjaws 16GB Kit(4Gx4) DDR3 2133MHz, SSD/HDD- Samsung 850 EVO 250GB/Western Digital Caviar Black 1TB/Seagate Barracuada 3TB, GPU- 2x EVGA GTX980 Superclocked @1360/MHz1900MHz, Motherboard- Asus X99 Deluxe, Case- Custom Mac G5, PSU- EVGA P2-1000W, Soundcard- Realtek High Definition Audio, OS- Windows 10 Pro 64-Bit
Games: APB: Reloaded, Hours played: 3100+  System2: Late 2011 Macbook Pro 15inch   OFw63FY.png





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