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Does Having A 2 Video Card Will Ruin My System?


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#1 babyface

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Posted 17 January 2006 - 04:43 AM

Do i need to replace the motherboard? or i can just install the new VC? :thumbsup:




BTW,which is better AGP or PCI? :flowers:

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Posted 17 January 2006 - 04:50 AM

Hi BabyFace :thumbsup:

BTW,which is better AGP or PCI?

I found a good link which may influence your decision. It can be found here.I run AGP.

I'm not hardware guy, but hopefully someone will be able to help you out with your other query. :flowers:

David :trumpet:

Edited by D-Trojanator, 17 January 2006 - 05:02 AM.


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Posted 17 January 2006 - 04:51 AM

Installing a video card will generally automatically disable the on-board video,
and it's drivers, at the installation of the new video card's software.

If not automatically, you can do it manually.

So, no problemo. :thumbsup:

AGP or PCI ?
(or PCI Express)

That depends on the PC.

Older units, AGP was better than PCI, generally, since the AGP (advanced graphic port) was located nearer to the cpu and had a "better connection for graphics" than a "standard PCI device" like a modem or whatever,
but the new PCI express is taking advantage of better mainboard architecture.

So, bottomline is what do you have, exactly, and what do you want to install?
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Posted 17 January 2006 - 04:53 AM

:thumbsup:

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Posted 17 January 2006 - 05:19 AM

Installing a video card will generally automatically disable the on-board video,
and it's drivers, at the installation of the new video card's software.

If not automatically, you can do it manually.

So, no problemo. :thumbsup:

AGP or PCI ?
(or PCI Express)

That depends on the PC.

Older units, AGP was better than PCI, generally, since the AGP (advanced graphic port) was located nearer to the cpu and had a "better connection for graphics" than a "standard PCI device" like a modem or whatever,
but the new PCI express is taking advantage of better mainboard architecture.

So, bottomline is what do you have, exactly, and what do you want to install?


im planning to buy a video card... dunno what to buy :flowers: :trumpet:

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Posted 17 January 2006 - 02:55 PM

To recommend a specific card,
and where/how to buy it & install it,
I need some facts.

1. your mainboard description, model number, serial number, other identifying information.
2. your operating system (OS)

The mainboard (also called motherboard or mobo) might be in a PC called
"Gateway ta-DA" or "Compaq V5-2C". It might be a custom made PC in
a unmarked case. Either way, that information will make it possible to
research, based on mobo variables like age & "socket type", what
is made to fit it. Knowing which windows version (OS) you use will
also will help me when you ask questions about the installation
or what exactly to do after it's installed.

I've found an easy way to identify these variables specifically is to
run a program that outlines those exact facts in a consistant way.

You can d/l & install this:
http://www.majorgeeks.com/download4181.html

Its free.
In the main console, as you run it, select from toolbar above "Report".
Drop down menu "Quick Report- all pages", flyout menu "plain text".
That will give you a .txt file you can save to desktop.

Click/drag the report to highlight the "summary" section.
Rt. click "copy" and reply to this topic thread.
Rt. click "paste" when you are in the reply
message window, and the result will be
like this:

--------[ Summary ]-----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------

Computer:
Operating System Microsoft Windows XP Home Edition
OS Service Pack Service Pack 2
Internet Explorer 6.0.2900.2180
DirectX 4.09.00.0904 (DirectX 9.0)
Computer Name GRAYCASE10
User Name joe

Motherboard:
CPU Type AMD Athlon XP, 1733 MHz (13 x 133) 2100+
Motherboard Name MSI K7N2 (MS-6570) (5 PCI, 1 AGP, 1 ACR, 3 DIMM, Audio)
Motherboard Chipset nVIDIA nForce2 SPP
System Memory 512 MB (PC2100 DDR SDRAM)
BIOS Type Award (01/16/03)
Communication Port Communications Port (COM1)
Communication Port Communications Port (COM2)
Communication Port Printer Port (LPT1)

Display:
Video Adapter NVIDIA GeForce2 MX/MX 400 (64 MB)
3D Accelerator nVIDIA GeForce2 MX/MX 400
Monitor Compaq S710 [17" CRT] (037CG43HC314)

Reading the information you paste should make it possible to do the research needed
to find several good video cards. In the sample above, the chipset = nVidia nForce2 SPP
indicates onboard video, but under display adapter NVIDIA GeForce@ MX/MX 400 is listed
meaning a video card is already installed. (but not which maker's model number)
More information about it, and what the mainboard
had (has) for on-board is available in the report in other locations further on.

Like this:

Graphics Processor Properties:
DirectX 4.09.00.0904 (DirectX 9.0)
Video Adapter nVIDIA GeForce2 MX/MX 400
GPU Code Name NV11 (AGP 10DE / 0110, Rev B2)
GPU Clock 200 MHz
Memory Clock 155 MHz

which gives the GPU Code name (might be helpful)

AGP Properties:
AGP Version 2.00
AGP Status Enabled
AGP Aperture Size 64 MB
Supported AGP Speeds 1x, 2x, 4x, 8x
Current AGP Speed 4x
Fast-Write Supported, Disabled
Side Band Addressing Supported, Disabled

details of the AGP help determine whether a "bottleneck exists" by having
"too much video card" for the mainboard or if it's right as is.

or this:

--------[ System Drivers ]---

nv_agp NVIDIA nForce AGP Bus Filter nv_agp.sys 4.12.1.278 Kernel Driver Running
nvax Service for NVIDIA® nForce™ Audio Enumerator nvax.sys 5.10.2914.0 Kernel Driver Running
NVENET NVIDIA nForce MCP Networking Adapter Driver NVENET.sys 4.14.1.281 Kernel Driver Stopped

just a copy/paste away is information about drivers status.

So, a start would be just the summary information, as presented,
and if additional information is needed, you have the report to rely upon to
answer specific questions if they come up as we look online for
a good video card to purchase. :thumbsup:

Edited by phawgg, 17 January 2006 - 03:08 PM.

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Posted 19 January 2006 - 06:56 AM

--------[ Summary ]-----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------

Computer:
Operating System Microsoft Windows XP Professional
OS Service Pack Service Pack 2
DirectX 4.09.00.0904 (DirectX 9.0c)
Computer Name BABYFACE
User Name fallenangel

Motherboard:
CPU Type Intel Pentium 4, 1800 MHz (18 x 100)
Motherboard Name ECS P4VXAD(+)/P4VXAS(2)/P4VXMD/P4VXMS / Matsonic MS9107C / Kobian KOB P4X266 NFSX/P4X266 WFSX/P4X266a NDSUX/P4X333 NDSX
Motherboard Chipset VIA VT8753/A/E Apollo P4X266/A/E
System Memory 256 MB (PC2100 DDR SDRAM)
BIOS Type Award Modular (05/30/03)
Communication Port Communications Port (COM1)
Communication Port ECP Printer Port (LPT1)

Display:
Video Adapter NVIDIA GeForce2 MX/MX 400 (64 MB)
3D Accelerator nVIDIA GeForce2 MX/MX 400
Monitor ADI ProVista E33 [14" CRT] (008L00343067)


--------[Motherboard]-------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------

Motherboard Properties:
Motherboard ID 05/30/2003-P4X333-8235-6A6LWE19C-00
Motherboard Name ECS P4VXAD(+)/P4VXAS(2)/P4VXMD/P4VXMS / Matsonic MS9107C / Kobian KOB P4X266 NFSX/P4X266 WFSX/P4X266a NDSUX/P4X333 NDSX

Front Side Bus Properties:
Bus Type Intel NetBurst
Bus Width 64-bit
Real Clock 100 MHz (QDR)
Effective Clock 400 MHz
Bandwidth 3200 MB/s

Chipset Bus Properties:
Bus Type VIA V-Link
Bus Width 8-bit

Motherboard Manufacturer:
Company Name Elitegroup Computer Systems
Product Information http://www.ecs.com.tw/ECSWeb/Products/Prod...nuID=16&LanID=0
BIOS Download http://www.ecs.com.tw/ECSWeb/Downloads/Cat...px?Categoryid=1

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Posted 19 January 2006 - 11:08 AM

Good job, Babyface :thumbsup:

System Reports are full of info,
more than half of which is computer science over my head.
(may as well be rocket science for what I comprehend of it all)

After a couple years of refering to mine, though,
some things
are starting to sink in, and I get a picture ...

One thing I can see is that your PC is very similar to mine.

I'm going to study the two side by side a bit more as time permits, today.
What interests me is that your Pentium 4 roughly = my AMD in many ways.
The differences/similarities will be worth discussing.
AMD vs. INTEL is one of the oldest classic "debates" online. :flowers:

BTW, you have a video card installed, exact same kind as mine,
might even be the same maker's. (mine is made by Chaintech)

I think we'll be able to figure out the best improvement(s) for you,
dollar for dollar by lookin' at the "bigger picture".

Stay tuned ... :trumpet:

Tell us more about how it works for you, day to day.
Things you like about it, things you don't.
I'll do the same, soon.
patiently patrolling, plenty of persisant pests n' problems ...

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Posted 19 January 2006 - 11:53 AM

Good job, Babyface :thumbsup:

System Reports are full of info,
more than half of which is computer science over my head.
(may as well be rocket science for what I comprehend of it all)

After a couple years of refering to mine, though,
some things
are starting to sink in, and I get a picture ...

One thing I can see is that your PC is very similar to mine.

I'm going to study the two side by side a bit more as time permits, today.
What interests me is that your Pentium 4 roughly = my AMD in many ways.
The differences/similarities will be worth discussing.
AMD vs. INTEL is one of the oldest classic "debates" online. :inlove:

BTW, you have a video card installed, exact same kind as mine,
might even be the same maker's. (mine is made by Chaintech)

I think we'll be able to figure out the best improvement(s) for you,
dollar for dollar by lookin' at the "bigger picture".

Stay tuned ... :flowers:

Tell us more about how it works for you, day to day.
Things you like about it, things you don't.
I'll do the same, soon.


well,im just a newbie when it comes to hardware thingy..so i dont know how it affects my system performance...LMAO... :trumpet: one thing i really like about intel is,the compability... im a gamer,most of the games requires pentium class... well,i dont have prob. with the processor since almost of the failing requirements in my system is the video card...ehehehe....


although i notice my system becomes slower and slower enev i defrag my hdd... maybe bec. my processor is kinda old...and somewhat slower...lolx...

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Posted 19 January 2006 - 12:22 PM

The slower & slower comment prompts me to say, in advance of anything else,
I've used winXPpro for most of the almost 3 years this PC has been booting and
it really needs more than 256mb of RAM to function well.

I use 512mb PC2100 DDR SDRAM system memory. I'd like 1024. ( a gig o' mem is good)
That would be the "number one" purchase I'd recommend,
and like I mentioned, our 64mb vid cards are also "low-end".

I'd use a bigger monitor for gaming,
and buy a good one b4 I spent too much on the vid card.
You can use two monitors, even with the NVIDIA GeForce2 MX/MX 400 (64 MB) now in.
Your cpu will handle it, but the RAM will be insufficient ...

A 19" LCD or CRT could be used for several more years,
with both the current mobo (and maybe it's RAM upgrade/vid card upgrade)
and a whole new system when that is bought.

I'm going to check on the compatibility of certain 128mb (or even 256mb) vid cards for the socket A mobo now, that can also fit a better mobo when I build a replacement system later.

I'd like to use it in the next PC, too.
The prices vary ... but a hundred or two is a significant amount to be spending,
and I probably won't get much money out of re-selling this current mobo,
even with more upgrades done to it.
Better to strip out the best of them, and make it a "back to basic" unit for a backup or test box.

It might mean I settle for the best 32-bit, single cpu, non-pci express type mobo available ... I'd save
half the price of a 64-bit pci-express dual core processor PC and still get very fast clock speeds doing it that way though, at current prices.

Save even more if you already bought big HDs that'll still work
and have a new improved monitor/vid card situation to include with a better mobo/chipset.:thumbsup:

It takes time to figure out all the factors ... :flowers:

Edited by phawgg, 19 January 2006 - 12:49 PM.

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