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Looking for a new AV program with a firewall


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#1 Sepulcher

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Posted 13 August 2011 - 03:15 AM

Hey guys,

I have been using ESET NOD32 on and off for about 2 years now and am quiet frustrated with the amount of memory (RAM) it uses. I tried MSE but it was too light weight for me to use.

At the moment I am looking for a good, thorough AV program and also a firewall because currently I have no firewall and I believe that is exposing my computer to threats the default FW will look past.

Thanks guys, have a wonderful weekend!

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Posted 13 August 2011 - 05:07 AM

MSE and Windows Firewall make an excellent combination for security, and it would help us out better to know what kind of connection you use and your router/modem?

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Posted 13 August 2011 - 05:44 AM

what kind of connection you use and your router/modem?


I find MSE too light weight and not enough settings to play around with. I also find the scan/update times to be ridiculously slow on my Windows 7 64 bits computer.

I use a wired connection, but soon to be wireless as I am getting a WAP upstairs. I also use a Linksys router if that is of any help.

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Posted 13 August 2011 - 12:55 PM

Ive been using MSE for a long time, and find the scan times rather fast and very speedy and efficient compared to what I have tried.

Your Linksys Router also acts as a firewall, so you do not need a software firewall.

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Posted 13 August 2011 - 06:49 PM

I am not sure if this is the correct type of snapshot you need, but here goes.

MS Windows 7 Home Premium 64-bit SP1
CPU
Intel Core i7 740QM @ 1.73GHz 49 C
Clarksfield 45nm Technology
RAM
8.00 GB Dual-Channel DDR3 @ 665MHz (9-9-9-24)
Motherboard
ASUSTeK Computer Inc. N53Jq (Socket 989) 51 C
Graphics
Generic PnP Monitor (1920x1080@60Hz)
NVIDIA GeForce GT 425M
Hard Drives
625GB Western Digital WDC WD6400BEVT-80A0RT0 (SATA) 30 C
Optical Drives
WD Virtual CD 1110 USB Device
Slimtype BD E DS4E1S
Audio
Realtek High Definition Audio

Operating System
MS Windows 7 Hme Premium 64-bit SP1
Installation Date: 19 February 2011, 18:52
Windows Security Center
User Account Control (UAC) Enabled
Notify level 1 - Rare Notify
Firewall Enabled
Windows Update
AutoUpdate Download Automatically and Install at Set Scheduled time
Schedule Frequency Every day
Schedule Time 3 am
Windows Defender
Windows Defender Enabled
Antivirus
Antivirus Enabled
Company Name ESET
Display Name ESET NOD32 Antivirus
Product Version 4.2.71.2

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Posted 13 August 2011 - 09:56 PM

My lap top is very similar to yours, and with Windows Firewall enabled and MSE my system performs very well. With 8Gigs of RAM your system, should not be slow. Can you post the link via Publish Snapshot.

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Posted 13 August 2011 - 10:36 PM

Here's the link

Hmm, I'm not too sure as the default firewall seems like it would do false positives. Are there any real differences between the MS firewall and say, Comodo or Zonealarm?

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Posted 14 August 2011 - 12:29 AM

I find MSE too light weight and not enough settings to play around with.

I'm not sure what exactly you mean about "too lightweight". . . can you expound? Additionally. . . I don't really see where number of settings corresponds to efficacy.

The default Windows Firewall is quite sufficient for any normal computer user, especially combined with a router. I use it on my laptop and I don't have any issues with false positives.

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Posted 14 August 2011 - 01:12 AM

From the SPeccy I see that Windows Defender is running when it should be disabled when another AV is installed. I would recommend disabling Windows Defender, because that and ESET Could be fighting over resources.

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Posted 14 August 2011 - 01:38 PM

MSE(if installed by the user) and Windows Firewall is built into the Operating System the program is light weight because its uses the same resources as the Operating System so they wont bog down your system.

Any other A/V software you installed has to installed its own components and background processes that may bog down your system. Now I try many different A/V software from Norton(dislike with a passion) AVG, Avast, now with MSE)

In conjunction with Blade Zephon, I live in a remote area with a satellite connection and a have a wireless network and I drown my computers with a network with WPA2 with a wireless filter and my family is in shock with my network (Hughes net with 425mb per day allowance)

I agree with cryptodan, you don't want to have two AV running at a time

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Posted 15 August 2011 - 03:28 AM

I find MSE too light weight and not enough settings to play around with.

I'm not sure what exactly you mean about "too lightweight". . . can you expound? Additionally. . . I don't really see where number of settings corresponds to efficacy.

The default Windows Firewall is quite sufficient for any normal computer user, especially combined with a router. I use it on my laptop and I don't have any issues with false positives.


What I mean by too lightweight is it has limited options to play around with and seems like a program for those who don't surf the net much on a regular basis.

From the SPeccy I see that Windows Defender is running when it should be disabled when another AV is installed. I would recommend disabling Windows Defender, because that and ESET Could be fighting over resources.


Ooh, I thought that may have been an inbuilt AV. How exactly would I go about disabling it? Are there any other settings I need to change?

MSE(if installed by the user) and Windows Firewall is built into the Operating System the program is light weight because its uses the same resources as the Operating System so they wont bog down your system.

Any other A/V software you installed has to installed its own components and background processes that may bog down your system. Now I try many different A/V software from Norton(dislike with a passion) AVG, Avast, now with MSE)

In conjunction with Blade Zephon, I live in a remote area with a satellite connection and a have a wireless network and I drown my computers with a network with WPA2 with a wireless filter and my family is in shock with my network (Hughes net with 425mb per day allowance)

I agree with cryptodan, you don't want to have two AV running at a time


Hmm, ok. I have tried AVG many, many years ago (2004-5) and I really didn't like it. Thanks for that info, too, about MSE and MS FW using the same resources. What A/V's are similar to MSE? What one do you use as well as firewall?

Thanks guys for answering so swiftly :)

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Posted 15 August 2011 - 05:01 AM

To disable services particularly Windows Defender go to Control Panel then to Administrative Tools and double click on Services. You will see a lot of them, and scroll to the list till you find Windows Defender. Right click on it, hit stop, then right click again and hit properties. Under where it says Automatic there will be more options. You will want to select Disable. Reboot the machine, and see if the memory is a bit better.

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Posted 15 August 2011 - 05:11 AM

To disable services particularly Windows Defender go to Control Panel then to Administrative Tools and double click on Services. You will see a lot of them, and scroll to the list till you find Windows Defender. Right click on it, hit stop, then right click again and hit properties. Under where it says Automatic there will be more options. You will want to select Disable. Reboot the machine, and see if the memory is a bit better.


Thanks, the memory is still more or less the same but a bit slower. I think it might be because ESET is kind of a memory hogger like firefox (which is still use...)

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Posted 15 August 2011 - 05:21 AM

What A/V's are similar to MSE? What one do you use as well as firewall?


Avast free A/V is a better choice, in my opinion, than MSE. It's fully featured but is still light on resources, and very user friendly. It updates automatically on every reboot (if that's what you want, otherwise you can configure it to taste), and has very good detection rates, significantly higher than MSE, as this recent test shows:
http://www.virusbtn.com/vb100/rap-index.xml

I was using Avira free A/V until fairly recently but the ASK and Uniblue partnerships were steps too far for. I want an antivirus to keep that sort of thing off my computer, not the opposite.

I'm not a fan of Windows firewall for a number of reasons, but particularly because of its lack of outbound filtering (I can hear the 'techies saying it can be configured to do so, but this is hardly a straightforward process, certainly not with Vista as I have), so I use Comodo Internet Security free, with just the firewall and Defense+ installed (don't want any A/V conflicts obviously). Forget about those who say it's intrusive and the popups will annoy you. If it's configured correctly you will get very few. I used Gizmo freeware's excellent Comodo set up and installation guide. I occasionally am asked what I would like to do with a program Comodo doesn't recognize, but that's all. Comodo is also light on resources.

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Posted 15 August 2011 - 05:41 AM


What A/V's are similar to MSE? What one do you use as well as firewall?


Avast free A/V is a better choice, in my opinion, than MSE. It's fully featured but is still light on resources, and very user friendly. It updates automatically on every reboot (if that's what you want, otherwise you can configure it to taste), and has very good detection rates, significantly higher than MSE, as this recent test shows:
http://www.virusbtn.com/vb100/rap-index.xml


Please take the bolded advice with a fine grain of salt. Detection Rates are only as good as the definition are for the anti-viruses. We are not fully certain of their testing environments, so their tests maybe biased towards one anti-virus to the other. In my opinion, and others will tend to agree, is to go with the one that you are comformtable with.

Microsoft Security Essentials is updated whenever there are windows updates, and at times they update the product at other times. It all really depends on what is going on in the Malware arena.

I actually love the integration of Microsoft Security Essentials within Windows. I used to use McAfee, and well their bloatedness caused me to switch to Microsoft Security Essentials. Their scans are fast, and do not take up huge amounts of resources.

Here is my lap top: http://speccy.piriform.com/results/k6d85jb3UvSnM0rbN4X6htp as you can see it is very similar to yours, with the exception of the video card and other minor things.

Comodo like ESET and other vendors can become memory resource hogs as well.

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