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#1 datastrain

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Posted 01 August 2011 - 10:55 AM

i need a high-performance computer. thought i'd start here.

i'm thinking basically max out all features, but... a few decisions:

1. i should stay with PC because i have custom software that i don't want test to see if it works on apple.
2. stay with windows 7. use 64 bit - most custom software i have is upgraded for compatibility.
3. i need portability of the computer. but i also need 5 monitors when at home. is it possible to have a 5-port graphics card on a laptop?
4. are solid state drives really upto 300 times faster than sata? are they any more stable? (i'll take performance over stability and compensate with backups).

any thoughts / ideas? i'd like to spend about 2-4K (no monitors)

Edited by hamluis, 02 August 2011 - 03:22 PM.
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Posted 01 August 2011 - 04:45 PM

There is no laptop that does have 5 port graphics. SSD are faster then the mechanical hard drive.

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16834200296

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Posted 01 August 2011 - 07:07 PM

You're not going to get a desktop PC that meets those requirements. Five HDMI or DVI ports on a laptop is very unusual, I haven't seen one that has that many.

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Posted 01 August 2011 - 10:34 PM

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16812200034

U may need to get some of those but I would look at this laptop
http://www.malibal.com/nine/
And customize it...it is a beast and they r the best laptop custom building company out there IMO

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Posted 02 August 2011 - 01:25 AM

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16812200034

U may need to get some of those but I would look at this laptop
http://www.malibal.com/nine/
And customize it...it is a beast and they r the best laptop custom building company out there IMO

LOL, that only has 1 VGA port, the resolution is low and it's pretty expensive for one.

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Posted 02 August 2011 - 08:38 AM

Blaze: those Malibal 9's look good (but HORRIBLE customer service / help). here's a maxed out configuration for $6000:
a similar config on Alienware is a similar cost, but the pros and cons of each:
(they both support DUAL monitors; adapters can give me the extra 2 i need i think)

cons on the 9
only 12GB 1333 MHz memory (Alienware has upto 32GB, 16GB of 1600MHz)
only 17.3" monitor (Alienware has 18.4")

pros on the 9
12MB Cache (Alienware only has 8). cache is a major bottle neck, no?


9 Reconfiguration:

Display: 17.3" 1920 x 1080 FHD LED Backlit GlassView Display
Processor: Intel® Core™ i7-990X Extreme, 12MB L3 Cache, 3.46-3.73GHz (Desktop CPU)
$790.00
Memory: (12GB) 12288MB, PC3-10660/1333MHz DDR3 - 3 SO-DIMM
$100.00
Graphics Card: Dual AMD® Radeon HD 6990M 2GB GDDR5
$450.00
Hard Drive: 600GB Intel® X25-M SATA II 3Gb/s SSD2 Drive
$1,060.00
Hard Drive 2: 600GB Intel® X25-M SATA II 3Gb/s SSD2 Drive
$1,130.00
RAID: 0 High Performance (Two Hard Drive Configuration)
Optical Drive Bay: 8X Multi DVD+/-R/RW RAM Dual-Layer Drive
Operating System: Microsoft® Windows® 7 Ultimate; 64-bit
$190.00
Wireless: Intel® 6300 Ultimate-N 802.11A/B/G/N LAN and Bluetooth Card
Cooling: IC Diamond 7 Thermal Compound, CPU & GPU
$40.00
Warranty: 3 Year Ltd. Labor and 3 Year Parts Warranty with 24/7 Support (CA)
$325.00
Notebook Coolers: NZXT CRYO LX Aluminum Notebook Cooler
$85.00

Reconfigure Nine X7200-S1
Product Subtotal: $6,064.00

Edited by datastrain, 02 August 2011 - 01:35 PM.

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Posted 02 August 2011 - 08:47 AM

few more questions:

1. is it worth getting this 2.5GHz CPU for an extra grand?
2. alienware can overclock it to 4.0GHz. should i?
3. how much faster are solid state drives over hhd? are they worth the extra $900 each?
4. dumb question but i have to ask: are laptops slower than desktops? would i get better performance with the same configuration in a desktop? i have a few people saying yes, but i don't understand why.
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Posted 02 August 2011 - 04:47 PM

1. What 2.5GHz?

2. You shouldn't overclock on a laptop because it does not have the best cooling system.

3. They are way faster then HDDs.

4. Laptop can be slow depending on which desktop your comparing it to. You would probably get a better performance in desktop but slightly changed configuration.

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Posted 02 August 2011 - 05:25 PM

thanks michael

1. sorry forgot to mention - i'm comparing these cpus:
First 3 are in Alienware
a - Intel i7 2630QM 2.0GHz (2.8GHz w/ Turbo Boost) 6MB Cache
b - Intel i7 2920XM Quad Core 2.5GHz (3.5GHz w/ Turbo) 8MB Cache
c - Intel i7 2920XM Quad Core 2.5GHz (3.5GHz w/ Turbo) 8MB Cache - Overclocked to 4.0GHz

this one in a malibal (nice comps awful awful customer service)
d - Intel i7-990X Extreme, 12MB L3 Cache, 3.46-3.73GHz (Desktop CPU)

to upgrade from a- to b- is going to cost me almost a grand when i buy this computer. is it that much better of a cpu?

going with d) seems awesome. more cache, higher GHz rating, etc. like they say - this is a "desktop" cpu put into a laptop.

2. i didn't consider overclocking anything UNTIL DELL themselves offered to overclock it for me - at no charge! and still give me a 4 year advanced warranty that includes things like water damage or cracked display. (and i would invest the $50 into one of those chill pads plus make sure to keep the outside temp cool (as if it were a server).

3. i know they are way faster. i've been looking for some concrete benchmarks. i've searched and found various (with varying results) thought i'd try to ask here too. i'm doing my own benchmarking over the next week or two (i'll try to post my results here).

4. and why is that, exactly? if a laptop and a desktop have the exact same specs (GHz, Cache, memory, and SSD) what makes the desktop faster? how does the Front Side Bus equate into this?

Edited by datastrain, 03 August 2011 - 08:19 AM.

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Posted 02 August 2011 - 07:55 PM

1. I would go for the second choice. http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/core-i7-2920xm-core-i7-980x-sandy-bridge,2851-12.html Read the conclusion.

2. 2.5GHz should be fine.

3. All i know that they are faster based from the reviews i have read.

4. Well i suppose, it would be the ram, maybe motherboard which could make a small difference. But the Alienware is already powerful.

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Posted 02 August 2011 - 10:24 PM

Idk what happened to malibal then about the customer service srry but I've only ever had great and sat help from them But as for the laptop ya I wouldn't overclock much unless u get a super laptop cooler and never take it off of it ...not to mention it drains the battery a little quicker as well

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Posted 03 August 2011 - 12:52 AM

It's a bit of a overkill to overclock it to 4GHz on a laptop but on a desktop then i would.

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Posted 03 August 2011 - 08:29 AM

here are the mobos on the Alienware
Motherboards
61J35 Motherboard w/ Thermal Pad, Qual Core,(Contain MB C9XMR+Thermal Pad F1RJC)
C9XMR MotherBoard, order and dispatch Service Kit 61J35

i can't find specs on them but would like to know what the front side bus is (or the FSB equivalent). do they still use FSB's?? wikipedia says there are much better alternatives (thanks in part to AMD?).

that makes sense why a desktop could be faster than a laptop - the desktop has a better/faster fsb.

and similar to the memory.

Edited by datastrain, 03 August 2011 - 08:30 AM.

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Posted 04 August 2011 - 01:17 AM

I don't know much about the FSB but what i do know is that the hard drive and ram is faster then the laptop's one.

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Posted 04 August 2011 - 12:49 PM

I called Malibal again. They have the right solution: portable workstations. (thanks Blaze)

CPU
They use the Intel i7 990x (Desktop CPU) in their laptop. All others use the Intel i7 2920 (for Laptops). So their big 'product difference' is putting a desktop workstation into a small case.

MEMORY
I understand how the Laptop Memory could be slower in Laptops over desktops. Guy at company said not so - there isn't much of a difference between Laptop Memory (SO DIMM) and Desktop Memory (Regular DIMM). I don't know. However - Malibal uses Triple Channel Memory (33% faster than Dual Channel). The Alienware is only DUAL Channel.

HARDDRIVE
Michael: I don't understand why you say a hard drive in a Laptop would be slower than in a desktop. A 6 Bb/s SSD Sata 3 is exactly the same if put into a Desktop or Laptop, no?

MOBO
I don't know what the perf difference are. Anybody else?? (but this would definitely have an impact, no?)

Edited by datastrain, 04 August 2011 - 01:05 PM.

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