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Need a new TV tuner card


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#1 Yarrow

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Posted 12 July 2011 - 10:20 PM

heres some background on why i need help...

i had to get a new hard drive for my system and decided to upgrade to windows 7, premium home edition. this is the only change in my system. upon takin it to a store and getting the new hard drive/win 7, my ati radeon 3650 hd graphics/tv tuner card is having issues. the graphics part is fine but i've done everything i can and the computer will not recognize the tv tuner part of the card. well, it recognizes it in the device manager but theres a question mark still, even after installing the proper drivers and now the ati people are talking about IRQ/resources and it's all over my head. i've been trying for weeks to work with ati support but i'm ready to just give up and buy a separate tv tuner card because i'm tired of all the hassles. but i dont want to purchase something incompatible with my system. wherever i get it won't accept a return because i'm too stupid to know what i need. i'm going to post the system i currently have and i'd like suggestions on the best tv card to match what i have.

Windows 7,64 bit home premium service pack 1
intel core 2 duo e8400 3 ghz
4gb ram memory
ati all in wonder radeon 3650 hd graphics card( with a non functioning tv tuner)
MSI P7N SLI-FI LGA 775 NVIDIA nForce 750i SLI ATX Intel Motherboard
500gb hard drive

it is critical that the tv tuner work with my version of windows and obviously my other hardware. i just don't know enough to pick one out on my own

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Posted 12 July 2011 - 10:27 PM

A TV tuner card that would work in your computer is a card that is PCI. A Hauppauge WinTV-HVR 1600 MCE Kit Bundle 1388 PCI Interface. If your motherboard has a PCI-E 1x slot, there would be more and better options to choose from.

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Posted 13 July 2011 - 12:47 AM

well i know my current graphics card connects with a pci express slot. i looked up my motherboard specs and it says i have 1 PCI Express 2.0 x16, 2 x light-blue PCI Express X16 slot (PCI_E2 & PCI_E3) support PCI Express X8 mode only, and 2 pci slots. looking at the back of the computer and picture from the specs, im pretty sure my current graphics card is using the pci express 2.0 slot. i dont have any other cards since i use the integrated sound card from my motherboard.

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Posted 13 July 2011 - 02:24 AM

You need a PCI-E 1x slot which is smaller then the PCI-E 16x, 8x, 4x slot.

Edited by killerx525, 13 July 2011 - 02:24 AM.

>Michael 
System1: CPU- Intel Core i7-5820K @ 4.4GHz, CPU Cooler- Noctua NH-D14, RAM- G.Skill Ripjaws 16GB Kit(4Gx4) DDR3 2133MHz, SSD/HDD- Samsung 850 EVO 250GB/Western Digital Caviar Black 1TB/Seagate Barracuada 3TB, GPU- 2x EVGA GTX980 Superclocked @1360/MHz1900MHz, Motherboard- Asus X99 Deluxe, Case- Custom Mac G5, PSU- EVGA P2-1000W, Soundcard- Realtek High Definition Audio, OS- Windows 10 Pro 64-Bit
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Posted 13 July 2011 - 02:46 AM

well then i'm limited to what the current motherboard has. i'm pretty much broke after all the parts and labor i just got (to the tune of $360) i've been trying for 2 weeks to figure out why my computer won't recognize the card i've got and i'm just done. i can't waste any more time trying to fix the issue i have. so i have to get a new one because if i don't whats left of my sanity will shrivel and die :crazy:

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Posted 13 July 2011 - 02:58 AM

Then the card you should go with that card i suggested.

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System1: CPU- Intel Core i7-5820K @ 4.4GHz, CPU Cooler- Noctua NH-D14, RAM- G.Skill Ripjaws 16GB Kit(4Gx4) DDR3 2133MHz, SSD/HDD- Samsung 850 EVO 250GB/Western Digital Caviar Black 1TB/Seagate Barracuada 3TB, GPU- 2x EVGA GTX980 Superclocked @1360/MHz1900MHz, Motherboard- Asus X99 Deluxe, Case- Custom Mac G5, PSU- EVGA P2-1000W, Soundcard- Realtek High Definition Audio, OS- Windows 10 Pro 64-Bit
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Posted 13 July 2011 - 02:13 PM

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/PCI_Express

"PCIe 2.0 motherboard slots are fully backward compatible with PCIe v1.x cards. PCIe 2.0 cards are also generally backward compatible with PCIe 1.x motherboards, using the available bandwidth of PCI Express 1.1. Overall, graphic cards or motherboards designed for v2.0 will be able to work with the other being v1.1 or v1.0."

Motherboard specs: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16813130175

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814103063, specs clearly say PCI-E 2.0, I believe. Your motherboard will work fine with any PCI-E 2.0 card.

Two things:

That's a PCI-E card...get another PCI-E 1 or 2 card, but get it from Hauppauge.

Example: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16815116028&nm_mc=OTC-Froogle&cm_mmc=OTC-Froogle-_-Video+Devices+++TV+Tuners-_-Hauppauge-_-15116028 .

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BTW: I usually don't post in the hardware forums...because I know what I don't know. I could be wrong in what I am looking at and the way that I look at it...I'm willing to take the hit if such is the case :).

Edited by hamluis, 13 July 2011 - 02:18 PM.


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Posted 13 July 2011 - 02:55 PM

in looking at all the ones posted, neither seem to have a coaxial hook up, which i need to watch my cable through the tv card... i didn't know i needed to put that in the specs i was looking for because i assumed (albeit incorrectly) that all tv tuner cards had a coaxial input...

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Posted 13 July 2011 - 02:58 PM

and to hamluis, i only have 1 pci 2 slot an thats being used by my current graphics/tv card. its just the tv part isn't working. so i can't get another pci 2 card because i'll have nowhere to put it

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Posted 13 July 2011 - 04:20 PM

You can use a PCI Express X1 card in any X4, X8, X16 slot. I do this with my PCI-E X1 Xonar sound card. I've used AVerMedia cards that are good, but some people have issues with them. For a good PCI-E card, you can try the Hauppauge WinTV-HVR 1850. Know that this and all TV cards will only work with unencrypted channels, for the encrypted stuff, you need a CableCARD and the Ceton InfiniTV 4 Quad-tuner Card.

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Posted 13 July 2011 - 07:53 PM

Thanks, DJB...I was hoping that you would post :).

What I do is rent another box (43/mo) for my cable...connect it to my card/system via coax...use a splitter to separate TV and PC capture card signals. You can buy coax cables if you need such...at your local Walmart.

By using a set-top box...you are not restricted to channels 1-99/125, you can use the box to tune any cable/premium channels that you are authorized.

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Edited by hamluis, 13 July 2011 - 07:54 PM.


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Posted 13 July 2011 - 08:12 PM

So you can use a PCI-E x1 card in those bigger slots, isn't it like PCI cards which i once bought a LAN card but it didn't fully use all of the PCI slot but it still work which i was amazed to see as i have always thought that any card has to fully fit into the slot which i was wrong :)

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Posted 13 July 2011 - 08:57 PM

"By using a set-top box...you are not restricted to channels 1-99/125, you can use the box to tune any cable/premium channels that you are authorized."

this is exactly what i did before! so the ones posted previously will work and have a coaxial connection? i looked at pictures but maybe my eyes just weren't working properly... the pics for those didnt look like the coaxial connection i currently have...

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Posted 13 July 2011 - 09:01 PM

oh, also since i hve no sound card and just use the integrated sound from my motherboard, how do i get sound to come out the speakers? i assume since it worked before without any special wires that i just install the card and the motherboard takes care of it right?

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Posted 14 July 2011 - 01:01 PM

Yes, every capture card I've ever seen...has a coax connection for the TV signal. Coax is the standard way of signal transmission for cable TV.

The sound...when you install your card, you will also receive a small cable that connects the audio port to the input channel (not microphone, not speakers) of the sound card/chip. Both video and audio signals come in via coax to the card and the connection to the audio card/chip takes care of the sound input. Without that, you only will see...not hear.

That's how my Hauppauge card works...but if you read the manual for the card...before starting...it will make clear what needs to be done. Most manuals have a "if things go wrong section" that probably should be read first by users who think life is simple :). It is...after you read the manuals prepared for user comprehension and assistance.

Before you ever contemplate buying any capture card...you need to look at the specs, to see what the key features are, etc. A picture is not necessarily the most reliable source of info on electronic/computer devices.

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