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Want to upgrade my computer.. what should I do first?


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#1 GammaWing

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Posted 09 July 2011 - 10:30 AM

Hi everyone!

So, my current computer is getting old.. and I reckon that if I want to play any of the upcoming games, I should consider upgrading.
Problem is, that I currently don't have enough money to upgrade all the stuff I want to (CPU,GPU,Motherboard,Memory,PSU)
My current specs are:

CoolerMaster 500W PSU
Intel Core2Duo E8400 @ 3.0 GHZ
Gigabyte G31M-ES2L
Patriot 2X2GB 800Mhz RAM
Gigabyte Geforce GTS250
SeaGate Barracuda 1TB HDD
Onboard Realtek sound card

and I want to upgrade what I said Above to:

Intel Core i5 2500 3.3Ghz, s1155, 6MB
Gigabyte H67MA-UD2H-B3 s1155 DDR3 1333
2x4GB Patriot Signature Heatshield Dual Channel 1333MHZ DDR3 OR G.Skill 2X2GB NQ edition 1333MHZ DDR3 (which should I pick?)
Gigabyte Geforce GTX570 Regular edition/OC edition
Corsair GS 600W PSU

Now as I said, because i cant get all I want in a single purchase, what should I get first?
The CPU,Motherboard and memory
Or
The GPU, and PSU?
Mind the fact that it will take some time before Ill get the rest of the stuff.
and also, I choose those PC parts by myself, so I'd like you to tell me if they are any good, especially for the upcoming games like Battlefield 3 and the rest of the heavy hitters.
Also, Do I really need to change the PSU for the rest of the parts I want ? I'm not sure if I do, so... Should I?

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Posted 09 July 2011 - 11:20 AM

If it was me, that GTX570 is at the top of the list. Whether or not you need a new power supply depends on the actual PSU. Coolermaster puts their name on everything from decent PSUs to garbage PSUs. Main thing is to make sure your 12V rail has enough output to handle the videocard. Either find the specs of your power supply, or look at the sticker on the side of it to find out how many watts/amps are available on the 12V+ rail. You might luck out and be able to run that GTX570 as is.

As far as the rest of it, go with a P67 board. Match a P67 with a 2500K. The 2500K is only $10 more than a 2500 and it can overclock like crazy when matched with a P67 or Z68 chipset board.

Long story short, GPU first, PSU if necessary, then the rest later.

EDIT: BF3 specs/requirements:
Minimum
Hard Drive Space: 15 GB for disc version or 10 GB for digital version
OS: Windows Vista or Windows 7
Processor: Core 2 Duo @ 2.0GHzRAM2GB
Video Card: DirectX 10 or 11 compatible Nvidia or AMD ATI card

Recommended
Hard Drive Space: 15 GB for disc version or 10 GB for digital version
OS: Windows 7 64-bit
Processor: Quad-core Intel or AMD CPURAM 4GB
Video Card: DirectX 11 Nvidia or AMD ATI card, GeForce GTX 460, Radeon Radeon HD 6850

Release set for October. Interestingly, will not run on WIN XP.

Edited by dpunisher, 09 July 2011 - 11:29 AM.

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Posted 09 July 2011 - 11:59 AM

If it was me, that GTX570 is at the top of the list. Whether or not you need a new power supply depends on the actual PSU. Coolermaster puts their name on everything from decent PSUs to garbage PSUs. Main thing is to make sure your 12V rail has enough output to handle the videocard. Either find the specs of your power supply, or look at the sticker on the side of it to find out how many watts/amps are available on the 12V+ rail. You might luck out and be able to run that GTX570 as is.

As far as the rest of it, go with a P67 board. Match a P67 with a 2500K. The 2500K is only $10 more than a 2500 and it can overclock like crazy when matched with a P67 or Z68 chipset board.

Long story short, GPU first, PSU if necessary, then the rest later.

EDIT: BF3 specs/requirements:
Minimum
Hard Drive Space: 15 GB for disc version or 10 GB for digital version
OS: Windows Vista or Windows 7
Processor: Core 2 Duo @ 2.0GHzRAM2GB
Video Card: DirectX 10 or 11 compatible Nvidia or AMD ATI card

Recommended
Hard Drive Space: 15 GB for disc version or 10 GB for digital version
OS: Windows 7 64-bit
Processor: Quad-core Intel or AMD CPURAM 4GB
Video Card: DirectX 11 Nvidia or AMD ATI card, GeForce GTX 460, Radeon Radeon HD 6850

Release set for October. Interestingly, will not run on WIN XP.


Alright, any other thoughts?

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Posted 09 July 2011 - 01:36 PM

Alright, any other thoughts?


Cats are incredibly lazy. St augustine can go about 4 days between waterings here in S. TX in drought conditions. My son is smart to the point of being scary.

As far as your build, If that PSU is the "COOLER MASTER eXtreme Power Plus RS-500-PCAR-A3", then it might be time to upgrade that as well. A GTX570 pulls ~ 220 watts loaded, an overclocked one up to 260 or so. Those 18 amp rails of the 12V+ (assuming that is your current PSU) might be a limiting factor. Nothing wrong with giving it a shot IMHO.

Kind of early to plan for the motherboard/CPU/memory at this point. Prices/features change. No real high end GPU upgrades likely until 1Q 2012, so your videocard purchase is safe. This is one of those upgrade cycles where GPU and CPU/motherboard products are all going to hit about the same time next year.

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Posted 09 July 2011 - 02:26 PM


Alright, any other thoughts?


Cats are incredibly lazy. St augustine can go about 4 days between waterings here in S. TX in drought conditions. My son is smart to the point of being scary.


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Posted 09 July 2011 - 04:43 PM

I would say hold off and buy everything at once, you will be replacing the CPU, RAM, OS, and motherboard all at once, may as well wait until you have the cash for a new GPU and PSU. The exception would be for games, which uses the GPU more heavily than the CPU. For the GPU, I would get the DIAMOND 6970PE52G Radeon HD 6970 2GB which is a little more powerful than a GTX 570 but not quite as powerful as a GTX 580 in most games. AMD's new GPU's should be trickling out within the next few months. Regardless, I would hold off until AMD releases their new Bulldozer "FX" CPU's within the next month or so. This should cause prices on many Sandy Bridge i5 and i7 CPU's to go down. How much are you willing to spend on this?

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Posted 10 July 2011 - 09:11 AM

I would recommend the 6950. It is literally the same exact card as the 6970 but with different firmware.
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Posted 10 July 2011 - 11:17 AM

I would recommend the 6950. It is literally the same exact card as the 6970 but with different firmware.

No it's not, they use different circuit boards, memory chips, power consumption, clock speed, stream processors, texture units etc.

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Posted 10 July 2011 - 12:21 PM


I would recommend the 6950. It is literally the same exact card as the 6970 but with different firmware.

No it's not, they use different circuit boards, memory chips, power consumption, clock speed, stream processors, texture units etc.

Yes it is. It's the same card, but with some of the shaders locked. In fact, you can flash a 6950 to a 6970 and there are instructions online on how to do it (but I'm not going to go into it as it may be against forum rules).
It's similar to how 2-core and 3-core Phenom II processors still physically have four cores.

Edited by RainbowSix, 10 July 2011 - 12:22 PM.

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Posted 10 July 2011 - 12:37 PM

well if you are looking for options on the 570 I like to shop here:
EVGA store
they are usually 40-50 dollars less than most places on comparable cards or motherboards
naturally your mileage may or may not vary according to day and location an alignment of the sun an moon

just a thought since you are looking for them

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Posted 10 July 2011 - 05:29 PM

On EVGA's site, at the link mentioned, there is a caveat: "B-Stock Products do not come with any accessories and include a 90 day limited warranty." However, if you go to their normal store front, the cards are normal MSRP.]

The Radeon 6950 and 6970 are identical, the 6950 has a different firmware that locks shaders and tweaks other settings. This may be due to quality control rejecting them as 6970's but allowing them for 6950's. This is similar to certain Phenom II's having cores locked.

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Posted 10 July 2011 - 07:14 PM

They are still not exactly identical.

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Posted 10 July 2011 - 08:10 PM

Hardware wise, they are, software wise, they are not.

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