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#1 Alestre

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Posted 06 July 2011 - 02:55 PM

I had a crappy PC for a while, then it started lagging really bad. (CRAPPY AS IN 512 MB RAM)
So right now, I'm using a netbook as my main computer

This is a budget computer. Meant to be ~$600, but when I added the the price and got ~800, I thought, "bleep it, whatever". I mainly like using Amazon cause of the Super-saver shipping and generally lower price, except when there are combos or rebates on Newegg. When choosing these parts, I mainly chose the ones with the most reviews, best reviews, and best value on Amazon and Newegg. Thus, it probably will have compatibility issues.

:step1: PROCESSOR
AMD Phenom II X4 955 BLACK EDITION
AMAZON $120

:step2: MOBO
ASUS M5A97 EVO AM3+ AMD 970 SATA 6Gb/s USB 3.0 ATX AMD Motherboard
AMAZON $126

:step3: Graphics card + Monitor combo
XFX HD-687A-ZNFC Radeon HD 6870 1GB 256-bit DDR5 PCI Express 2.1 x16 Acer G245HQAbd Black 23.6" Full HD WideScreen LCD Monitor
Newegg $300 with REBATE AND SHIPPING

:step4: Hard drive
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16822145520&Tpk=HITACHI%20Deskstar%207K3000%20HDS723015BLA642%20%280F12114%29%201.5TB%207200%20RPM%2064MB%20Cache%20SATA%206.0Gb%2fs%203.5%22%20Internal%20Hard%20Drive'>HITACHI Deskstar 7K3000 HDS723015BLA642 (0F12114) 1.5TB 7200 RPM 64MB Cache SATA 6.0Gb/s 3.5" Internal Hard Drive
Newegg $65

:step5: RAM
Mushkin Enhanced Silverline 8GB (2 x 4GB) 240-Pin DDR3 SDRAM DDR3 1600 (PC3 12800) Desktop Memory Model 997002
Newegg $69

:step6: Heatsink
COOLER MASTER Hyper 212 Plus
AMAZON $29.5

:step7: CASE
http://www.amazon.com/Cooler-Master-Tower-Case-RC-912-KKN1/dp/B003ZM7YTA/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&s=electronics&qid=1309987614&sr=1-1'>COOLER MASTER HAF 912 RC-912-KKN1 
AMAZON $60

:step8: Extra fans
Cooler Master Computer Case Cooling R4-L2R-20AC-GP Blue LED
Cooler Master 120mm Green LED Case Fan - (R4-L2R-20CG-GP) Green LED
AMAZON $10 each

:step9: MOUSE+KEYBOARD
Logitech Desktop MK120 Mouse and keyboard Combo
AMAZON $17.15

:step10: Power supply
CORSAIR Builder Series CX600 V2 600W ATX12V v2.3 80 PLUS Certified Active PFC Power Supply
NEWEGG $50 with REBATE

GRAND TOTAL
856.65





OPTIONAL
PRINTER

Canon PIXMA MG5220 Wireless Inkjet Photo All-In-One
AMAZON $88


My main questions.
-Compatibility! since this is my first build
-Bottlenecking, Mobo, Processor, Graphics card.
-Better value with another part?

Edited by Alestre, 07 July 2011 - 11:41 AM.


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Posted 06 July 2011 - 03:38 PM

Motherboard, CPU, and graphics card look good to me.

The hard drive you chose, however, uses a 3Gb/s interface with only a 32MB cache. Your motherboard supports the newer 6Gb/s interface, so you'd be better off with something like this drive, with its 6Gb/s interface and 64MB cache, which is only $4 more (plus shipping, etc.)

RAM and heatsink look fine (you will need a 64 bit OS to use the full 4GB, though.)

I have the Coolermaster HAF 922 and I love it. I imagine the 912 is very similar. One thing to note, however, is that the case does NOT come with a power supply unit. You'd probably want to get a 550-600 watt PSU for this setup, higher if you plan on any major upgrades (a second video card, for example.) You're looking at adding at least $50 to the tab for a non-crappy PSU.

Another thing not listed is a optical drive (e.g. CD/DVD/Blu-Ray).

As it stands, I don't see any compatibility problems.

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Posted 06 July 2011 - 04:02 PM

Ok, changed the Hard Drive. But does it really matter? 6.0GB/s vs 3.0GB/s. I read some comments that it is not that much difference. The 64mb cache is worth the $5 though.

I added the APEVIA ATX-CW500WP4 500W ATX Power Supply
$40 but $20 rebate. It has a 1000+ reviews on Newegg, so it should be ok, right?


I thought I would be alright cause I already bought an external optical drive for my netbook. I have no idea if this will work.
This one
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http://www.amazon.com/Samsung-External-Optical-SE-S084C-RSBN/dp/B002C1BBU8/ref=sr_1_2?s=pc&ie=UTF8&qid=1309986050&sr=1-2

Edited by Alestre, 06 July 2011 - 04:03 PM.


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Posted 06 July 2011 - 04:47 PM

There really isn't much difference between the 6.0GB/s vs 3.0GB/s drives until you get to an SSD.

If you're going for a gaming PC and want the ability to upgrade it over time, I suggest going for one of the AMD 900 series chipsets since they natively support the upcoming AM3+ CPU's while maintaining backwards compatibility with AM3. If you're not much of a gamer, the ASUS M5A97 EVO would work with the 970 chipset, if you are an avid gamer and want the flagship 990FX chipset, the ASUS Sabertooth 990FX AM3+ AMD 990FX comes highly suggested.

I would also suggest a slightly better PSU in the 600W to 700W range if you believe you will be getting better GPU's over time. Get a Corsair, Silverstone, or XFX power supply, they get great reviews too and are more of a known quantity than Apevia. The CORSAIR Enthusiast Series TX650 V2 650W seems good as does the CORSAIR Enthusiast Series TX750 V2 750W.

Personally, I would get a single 4GB stick of RAM over a two stick configuration, just to keep future upgrade paths open. I use, and suggest, the Mushkin Enhanced Silverline 4GB 240-Pin DDR3 SDRAM DDR3 1600 in my own AMD setup with that 990FX motherboard I recommended.

You are also getting a mid-ATX case which is decent for most single GPU setups with midrange cards, but if you get the higher-end stuff or want to use SLI/Crossfire, you should get a full ATX. Oh, and you need an OS.

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Posted 06 July 2011 - 05:11 PM

I'm not too much of a gamer so I won't try adding more Graphics cards, or upgrading them. I might do some heavy photoshop and CAD work though. Why not? I'll change the RAM.

Mushkin Enhanced Silverline 8GB (2 x 4GB) 240-Pin DDR3 SDRAM DDR3 1600 (PC3 12800) Desktop Memory Model 997002 $69 Newegg

The Sabertooth is almost double the cost, which is not good, since I already exceeded my original budget. I'll change the Mobo to the

ASUS M5A97 EVO $126 amazon

If I'm not upgrading, then I don't need a stronger PSU right?

I'll be using Windows 7 Ultimate, preferably.

I've had bleepty computers most of my life, so I never really got into gaming, much. I'd like to get into some new games though. Suggestions on games welcomed.

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Posted 06 July 2011 - 05:52 PM

With AMD, the x70 chipsets are the standard base models whereas the x90FX chipsets are the flagship models, just something to remember. Actually, you should still get a better PSU since the 6870 requires 500W. It is not a good idea to be right at the minimum, always be a bit over, this handles PSU degradation and load spikes. Also, most AMD motherboard have a standard RAM of DDR3-1333 with 1600 being overclocked. You will need to go into the BIOS to force the motherboard to operate at 1600 speeds.

Why Windows 7 Ultimate? Unless you need EFS or location-aware printing or some other enterprise only function, you only need Home Premium.

As for games, well, I'm glad you asked. Newer games to consider are The Witcher 2, Mass Effect 1 and 2, Deus Ex Human Revoluation (Out Soon), Assassin's Creed II and Brotherhood, and Dragon Age II. I'm not into shooters so my games are usually limited to others.

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Posted 06 July 2011 - 06:38 PM

There really isn't much difference between the 6.0GB/s vs 3.0GB/s drives until you get to an SSD.

I think I need to disagree with you there. My new rig with 6Gb/s drives "feels" a lot snappier on data access than my old computer. Of course, it could just be that the massive hardware upgrade to all systems makes everything snappier ;)



Why Windows 7 Ultimate? Unless you need EFS or location-aware printing or some other enterprise only function, you only need Home Premium.

Quite so. I went with Home Premium and I haven't run into any situation where a feature in one of the pricier SKUs was even an issue. And if I run in to one I can upgrade Windows by giving Microsoft a little extra money ("Anytime Upgrade")

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Posted 06 July 2011 - 06:44 PM

I would seriously consider changing that hard drive to aWestern Digital Caviar Black WD1502FAEX 1.5TB, Hitachi has a high failure rate for their hard drive.

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System1: CPU- Intel Core i7-5820K @ 4.4GHz, CPU Cooler- Noctua NH-D14, RAM- G.Skill Ripjaws 16GB Kit(4Gx4) DDR3 2133MHz, SSD/HDD- Samsung 850 EVO 250GB/Western Digital Caviar Black 1TB/Seagate Barracuada 3TB, GPU- 2x EVGA GTX980 Superclocked @1360/MHz1900MHz, Motherboard- Asus X99 Deluxe, Case- Custom Mac G5, PSU- EVGA P2-1000W, Soundcard- Realtek High Definition Audio, OS- Windows 10 Pro 64-Bit
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Posted 06 July 2011 - 06:49 PM

...actually Hitachi has a decent rating at most online retailers. Again, SATA 6 will not offer a substantial increase in speed.

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Posted 06 July 2011 - 07:32 PM

Tip 1: (Yeah, I know, I am a broken record on this) Don't trust an Apevia PSU. Seriously, I have seen the inside of 2 of them, not pretty. Not enough PCI-E plugs for your video card either. Never buy a PSU with that little orange/red voltage switch on the back. It is the mark of an old design/low efficiency unit.

Here are a couple, with rebate still a steal compared to what you have in your build:
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16817139026
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16817139027

Either $25 or $40 after rebate.

Don't worry about SATA3 vs SATA6, unless you are running the latest and greatest Sandforce SSDs, you will never notice the difference.

Good memory. No complaints on that. If you plan to keep this rig awhile, might think about a 2X4gig setup so you have a matched pair. Something like this: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820231428 Nothing wrong with heading over to the Asus site and checking memory compatabilty either.

If this is your first build, a humble suggestion. Build it outside the case first. I hook everything up on a table, install the OS and do all the updates before the guts even see a case. It is a lot easier to swap parts around, less chance of damaging parts as well, with everything layed out and easy to get to.

Overall, a solid build.

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Posted 06 July 2011 - 07:58 PM

@DJBPace07 Thanks. I'll try the games when I build it.

I don't get what you mean by forcing the motherboard, though.
According to the ASUS M5A97 EVO specs
Memory Standard:
DDR3 2133(O.C.)/1866/1800/1600/1333/1066

Doesn't that mean only 2133 needs to be overclocked? Or does Mushkin Enhanced Silverline 8GB (2 x 4GB) 240-Pin DDR3 SDRAM DDR3 1600 need it, too?

Thanks, dpunisher, I didn't know you actually open a computer outside the case. :lol:

I'll probably be using Home premium then.

As for the power supply, would 630 watts be enough?
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16817152035
RAIDMAX HYBRID 2 RX-630SS 630W ATX12V V2.2/ EPS12V SLI Ready CrossFire Ready Modular Modular LED Power Supply
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EDIT:
Oh yeah, I never did get an answer on the external USB optical drive. Could I use that to install the O.S. cd?

Edited by Alestre, 06 July 2011 - 08:12 PM.


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Posted 07 July 2011 - 12:43 AM

Don't get Raidmax, get the brands mentioned before like Corsair, Silverstone or XFX.

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System1: CPU- Intel Core i7-5820K @ 4.4GHz, CPU Cooler- Noctua NH-D14, RAM- G.Skill Ripjaws 16GB Kit(4Gx4) DDR3 2133MHz, SSD/HDD- Samsung 850 EVO 250GB/Western Digital Caviar Black 1TB/Seagate Barracuada 3TB, GPU- 2x EVGA GTX980 Superclocked @1360/MHz1900MHz, Motherboard- Asus X99 Deluxe, Case- Custom Mac G5, PSU- EVGA P2-1000W, Soundcard- Realtek High Definition Audio, OS- Windows 10 Pro 64-Bit
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Posted 07 July 2011 - 02:28 AM

I believe that Windows 7 can be installed from a USB-connected DVD drive. I know for a fact it can be installed from a USB flash drive.

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Posted 07 July 2011 - 02:38 AM

You change it to boot of a USB.

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Posted 07 July 2011 - 11:43 AM

Ok changed the PSU
Is this final good or is there anything else lacking?




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