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#1 castoffpolite

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Posted 30 June 2011 - 12:46 PM

Okay I have several Seagate stand alone storage devices, plug and play.

I am in a pickle so to speak as I migrated from MS, to Linux, Ubuntu. I'm running into walls in areas I need to go to.

First, my final Draft program is a needed component to my job. I need access to it.

Second, NetFlix and Hulu provide my TV entertainment and are a resource for my job.

Third, I have the need to read and scrounge around books I bought through Amazon and Audible.


My idea is to put my MS OS on a stand alone, and use it for gaining access to the MS prevalent areas I need.

Is this idea possible or am I going to have go with a dual setup which I do not want to do, I tried that once before and had major troubles.

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Posted 30 June 2011 - 01:08 PM

Why dont you virtualize a windows platform from inside Linux?

Im still upset over Linux not being supported on Netflix.
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Posted 30 June 2011 - 01:12 PM

I'm not clear what you mean by "put my MS OS on a stand alone."

With what you describe, I see handful of possibilities:

1. Run dual-boot.

2. Run linux with a virtual Windows using VirtualBox of VMware/Player/Workstation. Windows, some say, actually runs better this way. Plus it negates any need for antivirus, defragging, etc. You copy the virtual image over to a backup, then copy it back if something goes awry. I actually use this (VMWare Workstation) to use with my GPS and to test some things before putting them on my son's machine.

3. What amounts to a dual-boot: put Windows on the main drive (it's not happy too many other places a lot of times), and boot linux from a USB device.

4. Install Windows and run linux virtually (VMWare products). This is a worse choice than the other way, but it's doable.

5. Use WINE to run Windows programs. It doesn't work with everything, and may not be suitable. But it does run more than ever if you have any of the recent versions.

6. There are also commercial products that will install and run some Windows programs. I don't keep up with them any more, but there was Crossover Office, which ran a number of things, and I think I read they've branched out. I seem to recall another one or two, but I'm hard pressed to name them at this point.

There may even be a way to run Windows from a USB drive, although I'd be surprised if Microsoft gave an inch on that. It would almost have to be through the use of third party program to make it work.

If I had more understanding of what it is you're trying to do I might have other ideas. Or maybe the same ones.

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Posted 30 June 2011 - 01:24 PM

Stiltskin,

My OS on my desktop is Ubuntu. I made the change this past weekend as I was tired of not being able to secure my MS OpSys, which I previously used on this desktop. No matter what I did, the hackers got through everything I tried and hit me with a reformat attack. Sometimes several times a month. I changed to Linux because of those attacks. They tried to hit at me again this past Monday, and took out my husbands machine instead. My machine is fine and I think it is because, I'm no longer a Microsoft machine. I am new to Linux, it is familiar as I worked with UNIX in the military, but yet it is different. I'm having to learn the ins and outs of everything again.

What I want to do, is put a full MS operating system on my stand alone storage device. When I turn on the unit, it comes up on my desktop. I want to use that stand alone as my Microsoft system, inside my Linux OS, to gain access to areas on the web that I cannot access as a Linux machine.

I guess it would be like having a dual boot configuration, but not on the same drive.

Cast

If all else fails I'll just buy another machine and have it as my MS machine That might be the thing to do. I can work on my Linux and play on the MS machine.

Edited by castoffpolite, 30 June 2011 - 01:31 PM.


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Posted 30 June 2011 - 01:47 PM

What I want to do, is put a full MS operating system on my stand alone storage device. When I turn on the unit, it comes up on my desktop. I want to use that stand alone as my Microsoft system, inside my Linux OS, to gain access to areas on the web that I cannot access as a Linux machine.

I guess it would be like having a dual boot configuration, but not on the same drive.

You are going to want to run a virtual machine with one of the aforementioned products (VirtualBox, VMware, etc.). You can still, technically, have the MS OS on the external drive, and there are (at least) two ways to do it:

1. You can create a VM and have the virtual hard drive image stored on the external drive. This is my recommendation, as it is much easier, and you are less likely to run into problems.

2. You can create a VM and have it directly access the external drive.


(Post has been edited for consistency)

Edited by MadDawg, 30 June 2011 - 01:52 PM.

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Posted 30 June 2011 - 01:56 PM

Cool, so it can be done. :thumbup2:

Now I need to brush up (read as learn how to) make a Virtual Machine and figure out how to make this work.

Thank You

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I just thought of something else. I could buy another hard drive install it in my machine and put the MS operating system there. I fear the hackers will find me again with that idea though.

Edited by castoffpolite, 30 June 2011 - 02:03 PM.


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Posted 30 June 2011 - 02:06 PM

One more thing I forgot to mention: if you are running the external drive via USB 2.0, the VM may run slowly, as the USB 2.0's maximum transfer rate is 60 MB/s (in a perfect world). I'd recommend using an eSATA, USB 3.0, or FireWire (IEEE 1394b or above) connection to avoid the VM's performance being bottlenecked by the transfer rates.
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Posted 30 June 2011 - 02:09 PM

I just thought of something else. I could buy another hard drive install it in my machine and put the MS operating system there. I fear the hackers will find me again with that idea though.

Yes, and this will also avoid the bottleneck I've just mentioned above. As for the hackers, they will still have a harder time breaking into the OS.

Edited by MadDawg, 30 June 2011 - 02:10 PM.

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Posted 04 July 2011 - 12:14 AM

Stiltskin,

My OS on my desktop is Ubuntu. I made the change this past weekend as I was tired of not being able to secure my MS OpSys, which I previously used on this desktop. No matter what I did, the hackers got through everything I tried and hit me with a reformat attack.



And what makes you think that you can secure an Open Source Operating system. I have been running Windows since 1993, and not once have I ever been hacked or exploited. Please try and use proper terminology. Most of the time issues like you are reporting are caused by user error and unsafe browsing habits and downloading stuff over torrents. Instead of switching operating systems, I would have rather re-evaluated my practices on Windows.

I have 4 questions for you:

1) What security tools / prevention programs and equipment did you have?

2) What kind of sites do you browse to?

3) Do you use torrenting software?

4) What kind of network are you on?

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Posted 04 July 2011 - 05:43 AM

Just wanted to say, in the past 14 years I've used linux, I've cleaned exactly one machine (had a rootkit). That's without using anything special. No antivirus, no anti-anything, not even running the built-in firewall most of that time. I've alternated between running rootkit checkers (mostly rkhunter) and not running anything. Also, I overdo most things. I can't be satisfied with a single machine running it. I've never had less than one, usually not even two is enough, most of the time three, and a few times up to 5. No special software running. A home router with a (linux) firewall for the most part. For 6 of those years, a linux machine was the router for the other machines.

In the same period of time at work, I've cleaned no less (and probably way, way more if I wanted to take the time to count them up) than 25 Windows machines (in a 10 computer shop) of worms and trojans. All of them are on a domain getting patched regularly, prevented from going to a slew of sites (we work with electronics, and if I look for connectors I sometimes get blocked for "pornography" when the word "female" appears) due to the nature of the content, torrents are completely blocked, anti-virus running 24/7 and definitions updated several times daily (when updates are actually available), most entertainment sites are blocked, etc. One case happened with a worm received via email. That one shut down the entire network (hundreds of machines).

I've heard of exactly one "mass" problem (3000+ servers worldwide) with linux in that same period. I've heard of more than I could count Windows problems in "massive" numbers (hundreds of thousands) in that time.

Next you may want to try saying it's because there are more Windows users. OK. Linux runs the internet (source: Netcraft). Other than the one case I mentioned, every other case I ever heard of amounted to a couple of hundred, down to less than 10, total infections. Why wouldn't there be more if numbers of users are the answer? There have sure been a lot of Windows server infections during that time,

Maybe you're right. Maybe you can't be sure you've secured a linux box. But I'm fairly confident, after 14 years of using it, that I don't have to be quite so concerned about it. Certainly not as concerned about it as I've had to be with Windows machines that are already locked down.

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Posted 04 July 2011 - 05:54 AM

I am sorry to say based on your Private Message the things that are being done is rather impossible by your ISP planting a box on your connection. You are practicing unsafe browsing habits, and that is how you are getting infected and that is why you are having issues with Windows.

Here is a little quote I live by on a daily basis:

If it was created by man, then quite simply it can be destroyed by man.

There is no application out there that is 100% Vulnerability Free. If you can name such an application, I will give you my life earnings when I die.

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Posted 04 July 2011 - 03:19 PM

Okay, I bought Hubby a new machine. I am going to rebuild his old machine and put a MS OS on that. That will take care of the MS items I need to have available when I return to work later this year.

Now if you will excuse me I am going to jog on over to the builders forum and see what is going on there.

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Posted 04 July 2011 - 11:37 PM

Crypto, it's a good thing I don't spook easily.




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