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Compatibility Issues when upgrading an old hi-tech computer


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#1 Nikon7

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Posted 02 June 2011 - 01:27 AM

Hi,

Following retrenchment, I now do freelance photography, and need to ugrade my old (2002) computer which still works fine, but is far too slow for modern editing programs, and very, very noisy with it's 13 cooling fans.

I have;

AMD 2,7 Athlon, Gigabyte K7 triton 400 7VAXP Ultra, nVidia G-Force FX5900 (128DDR), and 1,5 GB RAM (DDR 400 PC3200)The MB will not take any more RAM, despite them claiming it can run 3GB, - and this RAM is extremely expensive & hard to find.

For economic considerations, I would like to replace the MB with a GA-H67MA-USB3-B3DDR3-1333+ GIGABYTE® H67MA-USB3: H67 Express Chipset: Socket LGA1155, 2.5GT/s DMI, Supports: 2nd Generation Pentium, Core i3, i5, i7 LGA1155
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the Processor with an Intel BX80623I52400 i5-2400 Intel® Core™ i5 2400 - 3.10GHz Quad Core, Socket 1155, 6MB L3, DMI Bus, 32nm, x64, Intel VT, Intel HD Graphics @ 850MHz,

And possibly 6GB DDR3-1333RAM.

Will this be compatible with the existing remains (i.e. HD, CD Writer, Power supply etc.) that remains in the box?

Will I be able to simply plug the existing HD's (SATA 2's) with Windows XP Professional SP3 as my O/S?

Will I benefit from the 64 bit or would I need to buy a new O/S like Windows 7?

Is this in fact a viable option, or should I consider AMD at a lower price? and finally,

What is the minimum Power Supply that would be required?

Many thanks in advance, and looking forward to your expert advise.

Edited by Nikon7, 02 June 2011 - 01:32 AM.


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Posted 02 June 2011 - 02:04 AM

Based from the info supplied, the graphics card won't work because it uses a old AGP slot. I'm not sure about your power supply and case. Your gonna have to reinstall Windows again because of the changing of the motherboard.

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Posted 06 June 2011 - 10:10 AM

Motherboard $110
CPU $184-190
RAM- $70


Will this be compatible with the existing remains (i.e. HD, CD Writer, Power supply etc.) that remains in the box? -No, the CD writer+ HDD will require EIDE connections which this new motherboard does't have.

Will I be able to simply plug the existing HD's (SATA 2's) with Windows XP Professional SP3 as my O/S? -Are you sure those current HDD's you have in there are SATA? But to answer the question the boot.ini may need to be rebuilt because of the new bios or it would require a new install.

Will I benefit from the 64 bit or would I need to buy a new O/S like Windows 7?- YES!

Is this in fact a viable option, or should I consider AMD at a lower price? and finally, -I would consider buying a new PC or at least a barebones kit from newegg.com

What is the minimum Power Supply that would be required? -A 330 would work, but I'd shoot for a 400w without a new graphics card installed; 550-600w with one.

Edited by MarkGS, 06 June 2011 - 10:12 AM.


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Posted 06 June 2011 - 05:04 PM

lol, we don't even know the full system specs yet.

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Posted 07 June 2011 - 12:59 AM

Many thanks for both the responses so far.

Am I then correct in saying that a good option would be to start from almost scratch, and buy the following new;

Motherboard : MB with a GA-H67MA-USB3-B3DDR3-1333+ GIGABYTE® H67MA-USB3: H67 Express Chipset

Processor : an Intel BX80623I52400 i5-2400 Intel® Core™ i5 2400 - 3.10GHz Quad Core, Socket 1155, 6MB

Ram : 6GB (3x2GB)

Power Supply : 400 Watts (I do have a spare case)

New CD Writer

HDD : 1 x small (100GB) but fast, 10,000rpm HD (C Drive) on which to install the O/S (please suggest one)

Windows 7 x64 O/S

and use my existing Monitors,(2x CRT's), Keyboard & Mouse,and the other Sata2 Drives. Then simply keep my present computer as a backup.

Last Question: Since I will be using this new machine mainly for Photoshop/Photography editing work, creating slideshows etc., will the onboard graphics be sufficient, or would I need an additional graphics card, and will PS CS3 and all my older software run on this machine?

Edited by Nikon7, 07 June 2011 - 01:01 AM.


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Posted 07 June 2011 - 01:04 AM

Based from my experience, a dedicated graphics card would be useful for photoshopping. Could you put up some photos of your case?

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Posted 08 June 2011 - 12:56 PM

I suggest starting from screatch, dince only the drives will be transferable.

RAM, motherboard, CPU, PSU.

A good source of info as to what is needed...forums for others doing the same type of work...or any good forum dealing with graphics. I suggest the following as an example of possible good info (I used to spend time in the area): http://graphicssoft.about.com/od/findsoftware/a/bestsoftware.htm . Among the others would be the Photoshop forums.

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Posted 08 June 2011 - 01:02 PM

I would highly recommend going AMD. It seems that Intel processors have become status symbols. You can get an equivalent processor and motherboard for $100-200 less.
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Posted 08 June 2011 - 05:59 PM

You really should start over from scratch, keeping only the optical drives and, if your case is a mid-ATX or larger, the case. This is because your power supply cannot power most decent graphics cards, and you do need a new one, you will also need a new motherboard to take a new CPU, on top of that you will need new RAM and possibly hard drives, if the drives are five years or more old. A reasonable graphics is needed, some programs will offload some processing tasks to the card.

Case: You say you have one already, so you don't need one.

Motherboard: MSI 870A-G54 AM3 AMD 870 - I suggest AMD. This is a good, basic motherboard that most non-gamers can use. This will not take new AM3+ CPU's, which are due out in August or September. If you don't mind waiting a few weeks, 990FX motherboards, the ones needed for AM3+ processors to be at their best, will be on the market. $94

CPU: AMD Phenom II X6 1090T Black Edition Thuban 3.2GHz - This is not quite as powerful as the one you chose, but with an exception. This is a six-core processor, if you have progams that can use all cores, this is will be an excellent CPU. Combine that with it being Black Edition and you've got good value here. Keep in mind that AMD's new FX CPU's are due in a few months. $189

RAM: Mushkin Enhanced Blackline 4GB 240-Pin DDR3 SDRAM DDR3 1600 - This is a single 4GB stick of RAM. If you are doing any video editing, I suggest getting two of these. $43 per kit

PSU: CORSAIR Builder Series CX600 - This will easily power your PC. $69

GPU: HIS H577FK1GD Radeon HD 5770 (Juniper XT) 1GB - This is a good lower-end card, good if you aren't gaming. If you want a little more performance, the HIS H685F1GD Radeon HD 6850 1GB is a great alternative. $119

Hard Drive: Western Digital Caviar Black WD5002AALX 500GB - Plenty of space for most users. $59

Hard Drive (Optional): Intel 320 Series SSDSA2CW080G3B5 2.5" 80GB - I suggest staying away from the 10K RPM hard drives and just go for an SSD for your OS install. It's pricey, but there are no moving parts and this drive should last longer. This drive is meant only for your OS and maybe a few frequently used programs. $184

OS: Windows 7 Home Premium 64-bit OEM - Unless you need EFS or location-aware printing, this should be sufficient. $99

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Posted 08 June 2011 - 06:25 PM

Here are my suggestions to cut down costs a bit more:

Motherboard: MSI 870S-G46 - This motherboard is like the one above but does not include USB 3.0. Chances are you won't need it yet anyway. You can always get an add-on card in the future if you do. $77.99

CPU: AMD Phenom II X4 955 Black Edition - Very few applications use six cores, so paying extra for a hexacore CPU is essentially money down the drain. $114.99

SSD (optional): SAMSUNG 470 Series MZ-5PA064/US - This is the one I have. The write speed for this one is more than twice the Intel one above. $109.99

Edited by RainbowSix, 08 June 2011 - 06:29 PM.

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Posted 08 June 2011 - 06:38 PM

Does PhotoShop CS5 use more than four cores? I don't have a Samsung SSD, does it come with a convertion kit since most desktop PC's don't have 2.5-inch drive bays?

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Posted 08 June 2011 - 11:50 PM

http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/sandy-bridge-core-i7-2600k-core-i5-2500k,2833-15.html
Evidently, Photoshop does use all six cores. I guess I spoke too soon.

And no, that SSD does not include the adapter, but here's one for $5.99.
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Posted 09 June 2011 - 01:09 AM

You could increase the size of the SSD to 120GB. I never knew Photoshop can use 6 cores :clapping:

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Posted 09 June 2011 - 02:48 AM

Many thanks for all the advice.

Here in South Africa an SSD hardly seems an option - US$330 for an 80GB is the best deal from the wholesalers! I have however been considering the Seagate® Barracuda™ 7200.12 Series - 1TB Serial ATA II (SATA3) Plus - Serial ATA 600 (6Gbps) With 32MB Cache @ 7200RPM - NCQ as my main "C" drive. Also, the only AMD compatible MBs I can get is the GA-M68MT-D3P and GA-880GM-USB3 @$71 and $129 respectively.

Intel certainly seems to be far more popular and easily available - Is Intel OK?

Edited by Nikon7, 09 June 2011 - 02:50 AM.


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Posted 09 June 2011 - 02:56 AM

Intel is fine but more expensive.

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