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#1 K Web

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Posted 27 May 2011 - 08:37 PM

Hello all. I don't know much about computers but would like to build one just for the fun, experience and to gain some new knowledge. I have nearly a decade of automobile technician experience, so I'm taking a break from building and fixing cars to build my first computer. So here it goes...

First off my budget= $400-$500

- General use.

- mid-size tower

- I do a little gaming.

There's really not much to it. Just need something reliable and upgradable in the future. Be gentle, thanks!

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Posted 27 May 2011 - 09:17 PM

hey its a great thing to do yourself.

start off with do you have any existing parts? you know case,dvd rom harddrives a current pc you are leaving behind that you
can steal parts from?
I ask because a lot of the little stuff is completely salvageable from an old pc.

if not well lets get you started on a basic list of stuff.

you have 2 quick decisions you will have to make.

amd or intel
both have good an bad to them.

AMD is in the middle of an upcoming release of new toys, Intel has just completed theirs so you can purchase them today. If you go AMD you are stuck with whats out now, not the latest greatest. Having said that, sometimes them are YOUR BEST DEALS. What was the ultimate high dollar parts 4 months ago are now, old news as the newest comes out. They are still awesome parts!


A basic pc is

case
motherboard and matching cpu
ram ddr3 is pretty much standard now
hard drive
cd/dvd rom
video card if no on board
sound card if no on board
power supply of sufficient power for your toys
and an Operating system


you will also need assorted cables as most hard drives and cd/dvd roms come bare from
suppliers like newegg.
the mother board and case should come with sufficient if you purchase them new, if used, you may need to buy stuff extra

am gonna leave this here for your while I assemble a "list" with current pricing
You, yes YOU! STAND STILL WITH IT! How can you have any pudding if you don't eat your meat?

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Posted 27 May 2011 - 09:56 PM

MSI H61M-E33 (B3) LGA 1155 Intel H61 HDMI Micro ATX Intel Motherboard $ 70.00


Intel Core i5-2500K Sandy Bridge 3.3GHz (3.7GHz Turbo Boost) 4 x 256KB L2 Cache 6MB L3 Cache LGA 1155 95W Quad-Core Desktop Processor BX80623I52500K $ 225.00

Patriot G Series ‘Sector 5’ Edition 4GB (2 x 2GB) 240-Pin DDR3 SDRAM DDR3 1333 (PC3 10666) Desktop Memory Model PGV34G1333ELK $ 43.00 (has mail in for -10)


CORSAIR Enthusiast Series TX750 V2 750W ATX12V v2.31/ EPS12V v2.92 80 PLUS BRONZE Certified Active PFC High Performance Power Supply $110.00(has a -10. mail in also)




SAMSUNG Black 22X DVD+R 8X DVD+RW 16X $ 21.00

Western Digital Caviar Blue WD10EALX 1TB 7200 RPM $ 60.00

COOLER MASTER HAF 912 $ 60.00 (-10 mail in also)
---------
$ 589.00

******************************************************************************************************************
AMD option

MSI 870-G45 AM3 AMD 770 ATX AMD Motherboard $ 83.00

AMD Phenom II X6 1090T Black Edition Thuban 3.2GHz $ 190.00
---------

with above and amd board/cpu
$ 567.00

******************************************************************************************************************
video cards if not using on board

EVGA 01G-P3-1556-KR GeForce GTX 550 $ 142.00 (-20 with mail in)
or AMD
MSI R6790-2PM2D1GD5 Radeon HD 6790 1GB 256-bit GDDR5 PCI Express 2.1 x16 HDCP Ready CrossFireX Support Video Card with Eyefinity $ 158.00

*****************************************************************************************************************
Operating system

you have a few options for this actually
if you just order a copy of windows from newegg $ 99.00
if you are a student you can get it as cheap as 30 bucks or even free
your mileage may vary, keep in mind anything below pro has limited
ram usage available. Yes, they throttle the cheaper ones.
*******************************************************************************************************************

now the intel system you have the option of built in video that is ok for moderate gaming
there is an AMD board at a similar price point that also has built in video that you can use.

I tried to stick to the better grade MSI with solid capacitors for both amd and intel for the sake of comparisons

so assuming you have NO parts to reuse add about 250 to the base prices of either 567(amd) or 589(intel)

this does not count the mail in rebates, they are subject to you actually completing them. This brings us to the 800 dollar price range. You can shave about 100 bucks off with a lesser case or ram or even cheaper smaller hard drives, could even cut down or eliminate a video card completely quickly bringing us into the 550-600 range

now that we see thats 300 over budget stated, lets start making cuts after we see your input.
You, yes YOU! STAND STILL WITH IT! How can you have any pudding if you don't eat your meat?

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Posted 28 May 2011 - 02:07 AM

CPU: AMD Athlon II X2 250 Regor 3.0GHz - $61 - This should do for general task a light gaming.

Motherboard: MSI 880GM-E35 AM3 AMD 880G - $70 - A simple motherboard should do the trick.

Ram: Kingston ValueRAM 2GB 240-Pin DDR3 SDRAM DDR3 1333 - $22 - Single stick to save money.

Hard Drive: Western Digital Caviar Black WD6401AALS 640GB 7200 RPM 32MB Cache SATA 3.0Gb/s - $61 - Plenty of space with some speed.

Case: COOLER MASTER Elite 310 RC-310-BKR2-GP - $60 - The case includes a 420W power supply.

GPU: SAPPHIRE 100322L Radeon HD 6450 1GB DDR3 - $53 - Basic card should do fine for light gaming.

Optical Drive: ASUS SATA 24X DVD Burner - Bulk - OEM - $20 - A basic burner.

OS: Microsoft Windows 7 Home Premium SP1 32-bit English 1-Pack DSP DVD - OEM - $100 - You need this.

Total: $460.55 including shipping excluding taxes.

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System1: CPU- Intel Core i7-5820K @ 4.4GHz, CPU Cooler- Noctua NH-D14, RAM- G.Skill Ripjaws 16GB Kit(4Gx4) DDR3 2133MHz, SSD/HDD- Samsung 850 EVO 250GB/Western Digital Caviar Black 1TB/Seagate Barracuada 3TB, GPU- 2x EVGA GTX980 Superclocked @1360/MHz1900MHz, Motherboard- Asus X99 Deluxe, Case- Custom Mac G5, PSU- EVGA P2-1000W, Soundcard- Realtek High Definition Audio, OS- Windows 10 Pro 64-Bit
Games: APB: Reloaded, Hours played: 3100+  System2: Late 2011 Macbook Pro 15inch   OFw63FY.png


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Posted 28 May 2011 - 11:07 AM

hey its a great thing to do yourself.

start off with do you have any existing parts? you know case,dvd rom harddrives a current pc you are leaving behind that you
can steal parts from?
I ask because a lot of the little stuff is completely salvageable from an old pc.

if not well lets get you started on a basic list of stuff.

you have 2 quick decisions you will have to make.

amd or intel
both have good an bad to them.

AMD is in the middle of an upcoming release of new toys, Intel has just completed theirs so you can purchase them today. If you go AMD you are stuck with whats out now, not the latest greatest. Having said that, sometimes them are YOUR BEST DEALS. What was the ultimate high dollar parts 4 months ago are now, old news as the newest comes out. They are still awesome parts!


A basic pc is

case
motherboard and matching cpu
ram ddr3 is pretty much standard now
hard drive
cd/dvd rom
video card if no on board
sound card if no on board
power supply of sufficient power for your toys
and an Operating system


you will also need assorted cables as most hard drives and cd/dvd roms come bare from
suppliers like newegg.
the mother board and case should come with sufficient if you purchase them new, if used, you may need to buy stuff extra

am gonna leave this here for your while I assemble a "list" with current pricing


Thank you for the reply and good info!

The current PC I have is old and not even salvagable. The case is chunky and I really don't see any room for improvement.

I would like to go with intel. One of my good buddies is an electrical engineer for intel. I might be able to get my hands on discounted parts from them.

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Posted 28 May 2011 - 11:25 AM

MSI H61M-E33 (B3) LGA 1155 Intel H61 HDMI Micro ATX Intel Motherboard $ 70.00


Intel Core i5-2500K Sandy Bridge 3.3GHz (3.7GHz Turbo Boost) 4 x 256KB L2 Cache 6MB L3 Cache LGA 1155 95W Quad-Core Desktop Processor BX80623I52500K $ 225.00

Patriot G Series ‘Sector 5’ Edition 4GB (2 x 2GB) 240-Pin DDR3 SDRAM DDR3 1333 (PC3 10666) Desktop Memory Model PGV34G1333ELK $ 43.00 (has mail in for -10)


CORSAIR Enthusiast Series TX750 V2 750W ATX12V v2.31/ EPS12V v2.92 80 PLUS BRONZE Certified Active PFC High Performance Power Supply $110.00(has a -10. mail in also)




SAMSUNG Black 22X DVD+R 8X DVD+RW 16X $ 21.00

Western Digital Caviar Blue WD10EALX 1TB 7200 RPM $ 60.00

COOLER MASTER HAF 912 $ 60.00 (-10 mail in also)
---------
$ 589.00

******************************************************************************************************************
AMD option

MSI 870-G45 AM3 AMD 770 ATX AMD Motherboard $ 83.00

AMD Phenom II X6 1090T Black Edition Thuban 3.2GHz $ 190.00
---------

with above and amd board/cpu
$ 567.00

******************************************************************************************************************
video cards if not using on board

EVGA 01G-P3-1556-KR GeForce GTX 550 $ 142.00 (-20 with mail in)
or AMD
MSI R6790-2PM2D1GD5 Radeon HD 6790 1GB 256-bit GDDR5 PCI Express 2.1 x16 HDCP Ready CrossFireX Support Video Card with Eyefinity $ 158.00

*****************************************************************************************************************
Operating system

you have a few options for this actually
if you just order a copy of windows from newegg $ 99.00
if you are a student you can get it as cheap as 30 bucks or even free
your mileage may vary, keep in mind anything below pro has limited
ram usage available. Yes, they throttle the cheaper ones.
*******************************************************************************************************************

now the intel system you have the option of built in video that is ok for moderate gaming
there is an AMD board at a similar price point that also has built in video that you can use.

I tried to stick to the better grade MSI with solid capacitors for both amd and intel for the sake of comparisons

so assuming you have NO parts to reuse add about 250 to the base prices of either 567(amd) or 589(intel)

this does not count the mail in rebates, they are subject to you actually completing them. This brings us to the 800 dollar price range. You can shave about 100 bucks off with a lesser case or ram or even cheaper smaller hard drives, could even cut down or eliminate a video card completely quickly bringing us into the 550-600 range

now that we see thats 300 over budget stated, lets start making cuts after we see your input.


Thank you for that detailed list and opinions. Yeah that seems a bit too much computer for me. Price is too high and I don't think the quad core is necessary. I have windows7 already so you don't have to include an OS in to the price.

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Posted 28 May 2011 - 11:30 AM

CPU: AMD Athlon II X2 250 Regor 3.0GHz - $61 - This should do for general task a light gaming.

Motherboard: MSI 880GM-E35 AM3 AMD 880G - $70 - A simple motherboard should do the trick.

Ram: Kingston ValueRAM 2GB 240-Pin DDR3 SDRAM DDR3 1333 - $22 - Single stick to save money.

Hard Drive: Western Digital Caviar Black WD6401AALS 640GB 7200 RPM 32MB Cache SATA 3.0Gb/s - $61 - Plenty of space with some speed.

Case: COOLER MASTER Elite 310 RC-310-BKR2-GP - $60 - The case includes a 420W power supply.

GPU: SAPPHIRE 100322L Radeon HD 6450 1GB DDR3 - $53 - Basic card should do fine for light gaming.

Optical Drive: ASUS SATA 24X DVD Burner - Bulk - OEM - $20 - A basic burner.

OS: Microsoft Windows 7 Home Premium SP1 32-bit English 1-Pack DSP DVD - OEM - $100 - You need this.

Total: $460.55 including shipping excluding taxes.


Thank you! Sorry I didn't state this in the OP but I already have windows 7 disc. So with an extra $100 what could be upgraded a little bit more? I'm happy I found this forum!!

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Posted 28 May 2011 - 11:35 AM


CPU: AMD Athlon II X2 250 Regor 3.0GHz - $61 - This should do for general task a light gaming.

Motherboard: MSI 880GM-E35 AM3 AMD 880G - $70 - A simple motherboard should do the trick.

Ram: Kingston ValueRAM 2GB 240-Pin DDR3 SDRAM DDR3 1333 - $22 - Single stick to save money.

Hard Drive: Western Digital Caviar Black WD6401AALS 640GB 7200 RPM 32MB Cache SATA 3.0Gb/s - $61 - Plenty of space with some speed.

Case: COOLER MASTER Elite 310 RC-310-BKR2-GP - $60 - The case includes a 420W power supply.

GPU: SAPPHIRE 100322L Radeon HD 6450 1GB DDR3 - $53 - Basic card should do fine for light gaming.

Optical Drive: ASUS SATA 24X DVD Burner - Bulk - OEM - $20 - A basic burner.

OS: Microsoft Windows 7 Home Premium SP1 32-bit English 1-Pack DSP DVD - OEM - $100 - You need this.

Total: $460.55 including shipping excluding taxes.


Thank you! Sorry I didn't state this in the OP but I already have windows 7 disc. So with an extra $100 what could be upgraded a little bit more? I'm happy I found this forum!!


These are all optional since I am struggling to justify spending more than what he posted
First choice is to add more ram getting 2 sticks o the Kingston for 4 gigs.

You could pick up a quad core
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16819103727

Unless you are playing high end game like Shogun total war or crysis 2 than it wont be needed. Save yourself some money and just stick with the basic ,but if you look to do more in the future you could do these "upgrades" to the build.

Edited by mute20, 28 May 2011 - 11:40 AM.


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Posted 28 May 2011 - 11:55 AM

I play RTS games mainly. Command and conquer and warcraft (not WoW).


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Posted 28 May 2011 - 12:00 PM

As expect you should just stick with the basic build. There is literally no need to go with a quad core with 5+ year old game. You might want the extra 2 gigs ,though it probably is worth getting the extra stick of ram for only 21$ for a big improvement.


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Posted 28 May 2011 - 12:13 PM

Well I'll be buying some new games after this build is complete. Those are just the type of games I usually play. I have no idea what type of games are out now, I will probably buy starcraft 2. As long as the mentioned above build will easily handle that game I'll be content. Thank you guys again for the help. I'd be lost without this forum for sure.


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Posted 28 May 2011 - 12:27 PM

I think this video card should be better than the other it is slightly more ,but it should play startcraft 2 fine. Also you must get the drivers from the ati site.

http://sites.amd.com/us/game/downloads/Pages/radeon_win7-32.aspx

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=14-161-315&SortField=1&SummaryType=0&Pagesize=10&PurchaseMark=&SelectedRating=-1&VideoOnlyMark=False&VendorMark=&IsFeedbackTab=true&Keywords=%28keywords%29&Page=1#scrollFullInfo

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Posted 28 May 2011 - 12:56 PM

Ok so this build puts me at $390 w/shipping! Wow under budget and still some room for improvment. Maybe step up to a quad core? Here's what I have so far, let me know if I'm missing something.

AMD Athlon II X2 250 Regor 3.0GHz Socket AM3 65W Dual-Core Desktop Processor

2 Kingston ValueRAM 2GB 240-Pin DDR3 SDRAM DDR3 1333 (PC3 10600)

HIS H467QR1GH Radeon HD 4670 1GB 128-bit DDR3 PCI Express 2.0 x16 HDCP Ready CrossFireX

MSI 880GM-E35 AM3 AMD 880G HDMI Micro ATX AMD Motherboard

Western Digital Caviar Black WD6401AALS 640GB 7200 RPM SATA 3.0Gb/s 3.5" Internal Hard Drive

COOLER MASTER Elite 310 RC-310-BKR2-GP Black

ASUS DRW-24B1ST/BLK/B/AS Black SATA 24X DVD Burner - Bulk - OEM


I'm buying this in one shot, so let me know if I need anything else like cables/wires. Thank you!

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Posted 28 May 2011 - 12:59 PM

What kind of monitor do you have size,lcd,crt??


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Posted 28 May 2011 - 01:08 PM

It's just a 17'' LCD. Not sure on the specs, it has some years left in it though.

Oh and another question. Is this cheaper than buying a pre built computer with similar specs?


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