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#1 Dennis the Menace

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Posted 27 May 2011 - 12:51 AM

I have an old laptop which we recently found while cleaning the attic and it has been stored for quite a while. Surprisingly it works. I'm wondering it it is a worthwhile endeavor to upgrade it
a bit. The system is an HP Pavillion N5295 with Pentium III at 850MHZ; 256MB RAM; 20 GB Toshiba hard drive; dvd/cd; floppy; plus the ports on the rear. The O/S installed is Windows ME. Personal
files *data, pics etc were stored on external disk which is long lost in travel.

What I propose to do is upgrade the RAM to 512MB; obtain a new battery and upgrade the O/S to windows XP-SP3 which I have in a box. Also possibly upgrade the CD with a more recent one
which I have from a broken COMPAQ.

Besides doing a clean install of XP are there any files or drivers I might need from HP? The original disks got lost somewhere in my travels. I do have the user manual but it doesn't mention
anything.

The system will be used for E-MAIL and photos from digital camera. Is it a good idea and worthwhile to upgrade this laptop or should I just recycle it.

Any suggestions and/or recommendations are welcome. Thanks in advance!

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Posted 27 May 2011 - 01:14 AM

This will get the specs of your computer.
Publish a Snapshot using Speccy

When you do install Windows XP, this and this driver is probably required to be installed.

Edited by killerx525, 27 May 2011 - 01:18 AM.

>Michael 
System1: CPU- Intel Core i7-5820K @ 4.4GHz, CPU Cooler- Noctua NH-D14, RAM- G.Skill Ripjaws 16GB Kit(4Gx4) DDR3 2133MHz, SSD/HDD- Samsung 850 EVO 250GB/Western Digital Caviar Black 1TB/Seagate Barracuada 3TB, GPU- 2x EVGA GTX980 Superclocked @1360/MHz1900MHz, Motherboard- Asus X99 Deluxe, Case- Custom Mac G5, PSU- EVGA P2-1000W, Soundcard- Realtek High Definition Audio, OS- Windows 10 Pro 64-Bit
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Posted 27 May 2011 - 01:25 AM

Thanks Killer ... will speccy run on windows ME? Will try in the morning. Thanks.

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Posted 27 May 2011 - 01:31 AM

I believe it should work.

>Michael 
System1: CPU- Intel Core i7-5820K @ 4.4GHz, CPU Cooler- Noctua NH-D14, RAM- G.Skill Ripjaws 16GB Kit(4Gx4) DDR3 2133MHz, SSD/HDD- Samsung 850 EVO 250GB/Western Digital Caviar Black 1TB/Seagate Barracuada 3TB, GPU- 2x EVGA GTX980 Superclocked @1360/MHz1900MHz, Motherboard- Asus X99 Deluxe, Case- Custom Mac G5, PSU- EVGA P2-1000W, Soundcard- Realtek High Definition Audio, OS- Windows 10 Pro 64-Bit
Games: APB: Reloaded, Hours played: 3100+  System2: Late 2011 Macbook Pro 15inch   OFw63FY.png


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Posted 27 May 2011 - 12:54 PM

FYI - SPECCY will install on Windows-ME but when run it produces an error message (XP or later operating system required).

I did run a diagnostic which gives most of the same information and I include it for your perusal below:

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DiagTools : System Information
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[System]
Product - HP Pavilion Notebook PC
Version - HP Pavilion Notebook XE3 GC
Serial Number - TW11215548
BIOS Version - GC.M1.50
UUID - Not Present
String 1 - Service ID: 11114

[Processors List]
Central Processor
Socket Designation - *Socket 7*
Type - Central Processor
Family - Pentium III
Manufacturer - GenuineIntel
Version - Pentium® III
Current Speed - 850 MHz
CPU ID - 0383 F9FF 0000 0686

[Caches List]
L1 Cache
Socket Designation - L1 Cache
Cache Level - 1
Installed Size - 16 KB
Current SRAM Type - Asynchronous
L2 Cache
Socket Designation - L2 Cache
Cache Level - 2
Installed Size - 256 KB
Current SRAM Type - Burst

[SIMM Sockets List]
Socket - JP28
Enabled Size - 128 MB
Speed - 10 ns
Type - DIMM
Socket - JP27
Enabled Size - 128 MB
Speed - 10 ns
Type - DIMM

[Active Graphics Subsystem]
Card Vendor Name - S3 Incorporated. M7 BIOS
Vesa SW Version - 1.0
Card Product Name - VBE 2.0
Card Revision - Rev 1.1
VGA Card Memory Size - 8192 KB

[Pointing Device]
Type - Touch Pad
Interface - PS/2
Number of Buttons - 4

[IDE HDDs List]
IDE Hard Disk - TOSHIBA MK2016GAP
Capacity - 19.54 GB
Firmware Rev. - U0.33 A
Removable Media Device - NO

[IDE DVD-ROMs List]
IDE DVD Drive - TOSHIBA DVD-ROM SD-R2002 1026
Configuration - SECONDARY - MASTER
Vendor ID - TOSHIBA
Product ID - DVD-ROM SD-R2002
Product Revision - 1026
Peripheral Device Type - 5
Media Type - Removable Media
ANSI Version - 0
ATAPI Transport Version - 3
Version Number - 0.0
Slot Change Support - Absent
Number of Slots - 0
Volume Levels Supported - 16
Cache Buffer Size - 2048 KB
Copy Protection Scheme Version - 52
CD-R Disc Read - Supported
CD-E Disc Read - Supported
CD-R Disc Read (Method 2 Addressing) - Supported
DVD-ROM Disc Read - Supported
DVD-R Disc Read - Supported
DVD-RAM Disc Read - Not Supported
CD-R Disc Write - Supported
CD-E Disc Write - Supported
DVD-R Disc Write - Not Supported
DVD-RAM Disc Write - Not Supported
Audio Play - Supported
Overlapping Play - Supported
Delivering Composite (Audio & Data) Stream - Not Supported
Digital Output on Port 1 - Not Supported
Digital Output on Port 2 - Not Supported
Mode 2 Form 1 Type Read - Supported
Mode 2 Form 2 Type Read - Supported
Multiple Session Read - Supported
Photo-CD Disc Read - Supported
CD-DA Commands - Supported
Subchannel Data with R-W Information - Supported
DeInterleaved R-W Subchannel Data - Not Supported
Error corrected R-W Subchannel Data - Not Supported
C2 Error Pointers - Supported
ISRC Information - Present
Media Catalog Number - Present
Disc Bar Code Read - Not Supported
Locking Capability - Supported
Software Eject Capability - Supported
Media Loading Type - Tray Type
Individual Channel Volume Control - Supported
Individual Channel Mute - Supported
Disc Present Support - Absent
Software Slot Selection - Not Supported
Side Change Support - Absent

[PCI Cards List]
INTEL - Host Bridge
Card Type - Host Bridge
Vendor ID - 8086
Product ID - 7190
Bus Number - 00h
Device Number - 00h
Function Number - 00h
Revision - 03
Memory Start Addr. - EC000000
Memory End Addr. - EFFFFFF7
Memory Start Addr. - EC000000
Memory End Addr. - EFFFFFF7
INTEL - PCI-PCI Bridge
Card Type - PCI-PCI Bridge
Vendor ID - 8086
Product ID - 7191
Bus Number - 00h
Device Number - 01h
Function Number - 00h
Revision - 03
Memory Start Addr. - F0000000
Memory End Addr. - F7FFFFFF
TEXAS INSTRUMENTS - CardBus Bridge
Card Type - CardBus Bridge
Vendor ID - 104c
Product ID - AC51
Bus Number - 00h
Device Number - 04h
Function Number - 00h
Revision - 00
TEXAS INSTRUMENTS - CardBus Bridge
Card Type - CardBus Bridge
Vendor ID - 104c
Product ID - AC51
Bus Number - 00h
Device Number - 04h
Function Number - 01h
Revision - 00
INTEL - PCI-ISA Bridge
Card Type - PCI-ISA Bridge
Vendor ID - 8086
Product ID - 7110
Bus Number - 00h
Device Number - 07h
Function Number - 00h
Revision - 02
INTEL - Ultra-DMA IDE Contr.
Card Type - Ultra-DMA IDE Contr.
Vendor ID - 8086
Product ID - 7111
Bus Number - 00h
Device Number - 07h
Function Number - 01h
Revision - 01
IO Start Addr. - 1050
IO End Addr. - 105E
INTEL - USB Controller
Card Type - USB Controller
Vendor ID - 8086
Product ID - 7112
Bus Number - 00h
Device Number - 07h
Function Number - 02h
Revision - 01
IO Start Addr. - 1060
IO End Addr. - 107E
IRQ Used - 05
INTEL - Bridge Device
Card Type - Bridge Device
Vendor ID - 8086
Product ID - 7113
Bus Number - 00h
Device Number - 07h
Function Number - 03h
Revision - 03
ESS TECHNOLOGY - Multimedia Audio
Card Type - Multimedia Audio
Vendor ID - 125d
Product ID - 1988
Bus Number - 00h
Device Number - 08h
Function Number - 00h
Revision - 12
IO Start Addr. - 1400
IO End Addr. - 14FE
IRQ Used - 05
ESS TECHNOLOGY - PCI System Device
Card Type - PCI System Device
Vendor ID - 125d
Product ID - 1989
Bus Number - 00h
Device Number - 08h
Function Number - 01h
Revision - 12
ACCTON TECHNOLOGY - Ethernet Controller
Card Type - Ethernet Controller
Vendor ID - 1113
Product ID - 1216
Bus Number - 00h
Device Number - 10h
Function Number - 00h
Revision - 11
IO Start Addr. - 1C00
IO End Addr. - 1CFE
IRQ Used - 11
Memory Start Addr. - E8000000
Memory End Addr. - E80003FF
Memory Start Addr. - E8000000
Memory End Addr. - E80003FF
S3 INC. - VGA Adapter
Card Type - VGA Adapter
Vendor ID - 5333
Product ID - 8C12
Bus Number - 01h
Device Number - 01h
Function Number - 00h
Revision - 13
IRQ Used - 11
Memory Start Addr. - F0000000
Memory End Addr. - F7FFFFFF
Memory Start Addr. - F0000000
Memory End Addr. - F7FFFFFF

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Posted 28 May 2011 - 01:27 AM

That doesn't give me enough info about the ram. You can use SIW to get a detailed information on the system. Start SIW> Right click on hardware> Export to> HTML> Choose a location to save the it> Attach it to your next reply.

>Michael 
System1: CPU- Intel Core i7-5820K @ 4.4GHz, CPU Cooler- Noctua NH-D14, RAM- G.Skill Ripjaws 16GB Kit(4Gx4) DDR3 2133MHz, SSD/HDD- Samsung 850 EVO 250GB/Western Digital Caviar Black 1TB/Seagate Barracuada 3TB, GPU- 2x EVGA GTX980 Superclocked @1360/MHz1900MHz, Motherboard- Asus X99 Deluxe, Case- Custom Mac G5, PSU- EVGA P2-1000W, Soundcard- Realtek High Definition Audio, OS- Windows 10 Pro 64-Bit
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Posted 28 May 2011 - 01:50 AM

Michael
Thanks for the reply. I don't understand what more you want to know about the RAM. This motherboard will only take a maximum of 512MB. The slips are SODIMM PC100 3.3 Volt 144-PIN and there is room
for two 256MB RAM modules. Presently there are two 128MB modules. 256MB modules are about $18.00 each so upgrade would be $36.00. New battery from 'warehouse' is just
over $40.00 and I haven't checked other sources.

Per your info and just in case, I downloaded the two drivers you referenced for XP and put them on the thumb drive.

Do you need any further information?

Thanks for your assistance.
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Posted 28 May 2011 - 02:25 AM

According to Crucial, it says the ram is PC133.

>Michael 
System1: CPU- Intel Core i7-5820K @ 4.4GHz, CPU Cooler- Noctua NH-D14, RAM- G.Skill Ripjaws 16GB Kit(4Gx4) DDR3 2133MHz, SSD/HDD- Samsung 850 EVO 250GB/Western Digital Caviar Black 1TB/Seagate Barracuada 3TB, GPU- 2x EVGA GTX980 Superclocked @1360/MHz1900MHz, Motherboard- Asus X99 Deluxe, Case- Custom Mac G5, PSU- EVGA P2-1000W, Soundcard- Realtek High Definition Audio, OS- Windows 10 Pro 64-Bit
Games: APB: Reloaded, Hours played: 3100+  System2: Late 2011 Macbook Pro 15inch   OFw63FY.png


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Posted 28 May 2011 - 02:06 PM

Sorry to disappoint your trust in crucial Michael but note the following two things:
1. The HP manual I have says that the system may use either PC-100 or PC133 modules BUT that is if the socket is labeled as PC-133. IF the socket is LABELED PC-100 then ONLY the
PC-100 module can be used. This system is labeled PC-100 with a big RED STICKER.

2. My great-great-niece has an older system which she uses just as a CD player but it uses the PC-133 modules. I tried them and there was NO response; NO BEEP(s); no video; no boot.

So my guess is that this system requires PC-100 modules which are 10ns.

But so far no one has answered my original question as to whether it would be worthwhile to upgrade this system and perhaps a guess as to how long a lifetime to expect with the demise
of Windows-XP support.

System is in pristine condition, perhaps because is has been stored in a box in the attic for many years and almost forgotten about. Two RAM modules and a new battery would cost
about $80.00 to upgrade. The DVD is a DVD ROM but I have an external HP USB model 1040 if needed for some reason. The system doesn't have a wireless connection to Internet but I
have a spare USB ASUS N-10 module.

The only other thing I can think of is to download and install a couple of HP's utilities like PC-Health (if available) etc.

Thanks for your assistance.

regards _Ed_

(ASIDE: I noticed your location. I was down in Sydney and afloat for a military exercise Kangeroo II about 25 years ago. We worked hard and played hard and drank a LOT of beer)

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Posted 28 May 2011 - 09:10 PM

Well, have you attempted to use it for emails etc yet? If it runs smoothly doing those task then there wouldn't be necessary upgrade for it. Windows XP will end it's support on the 8th of April 2014. Also where are you purchasing these modules from?

>Michael 
System1: CPU- Intel Core i7-5820K @ 4.4GHz, CPU Cooler- Noctua NH-D14, RAM- G.Skill Ripjaws 16GB Kit(4Gx4) DDR3 2133MHz, SSD/HDD- Samsung 850 EVO 250GB/Western Digital Caviar Black 1TB/Seagate Barracuada 3TB, GPU- 2x EVGA GTX980 Superclocked @1360/MHz1900MHz, Motherboard- Asus X99 Deluxe, Case- Custom Mac G5, PSU- EVGA P2-1000W, Soundcard- Realtek High Definition Audio, OS- Windows 10 Pro 64-Bit
Games: APB: Reloaded, Hours played: 3100+  System2: Late 2011 Macbook Pro 15inch   OFw63FY.png


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Posted 29 May 2011 - 02:06 AM

Thanks again for following up.

IF support ends in 2014 for XP I'm sure that this computer will have let a full life and will be ready for the recycle heaven.

I've seen the RAM modules and TigerDirect for just over $18 and at NewEgg for $17.

Dial-up modem to the Library for e-mail works.

The Wi-Fi module that I have requires Windows-XP at least AND a minimum of 512MB RAM ... XP is not installed yet so I have not tested it.

I think what I will do is order the RAM and see if it works and then install Windows-XP. I will hold off on the $40 for a new battery until I see if the minimum works.

My grandson thinks I should upgrade the RAM and then buy a Magic Jack telephone module - good luck! (I think he thinks I will give it to him which I just might do)

Thanks again and I would close this thread if I knew how. Have a great summer.

regards _Ed_

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Posted 29 May 2011 - 02:11 AM

No problems and you can't close a thread :)

>Michael 
System1: CPU- Intel Core i7-5820K @ 4.4GHz, CPU Cooler- Noctua NH-D14, RAM- G.Skill Ripjaws 16GB Kit(4Gx4) DDR3 2133MHz, SSD/HDD- Samsung 850 EVO 250GB/Western Digital Caviar Black 1TB/Seagate Barracuada 3TB, GPU- 2x EVGA GTX980 Superclocked @1360/MHz1900MHz, Motherboard- Asus X99 Deluxe, Case- Custom Mac G5, PSU- EVGA P2-1000W, Soundcard- Realtek High Definition Audio, OS- Windows 10 Pro 64-Bit
Games: APB: Reloaded, Hours played: 3100+  System2: Late 2011 Macbook Pro 15inch   OFw63FY.png


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Posted 31 May 2011 - 04:32 PM

<<Is this laptop upgrade worthwhile?>>

Compared to what? How do you "upgrade" an old laptop that dates back x years and runs Me?

I'd be more likely to buy a very cheap, more recent desktop/laptop which has more of a future.

When spending money...purchasing obsolete technology/components...will only set the purchaser back as he tries to move forward.

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Posted 31 May 2011 - 05:00 PM

That laptop will be only used for basic tasks and if you buy a new desktop or notebook it will be more expensive then the upgrades.

>Michael 
System1: CPU- Intel Core i7-5820K @ 4.4GHz, CPU Cooler- Noctua NH-D14, RAM- G.Skill Ripjaws 16GB Kit(4Gx4) DDR3 2133MHz, SSD/HDD- Samsung 850 EVO 250GB/Western Digital Caviar Black 1TB/Seagate Barracuada 3TB, GPU- 2x EVGA GTX980 Superclocked @1360/MHz1900MHz, Motherboard- Asus X99 Deluxe, Case- Custom Mac G5, PSU- EVGA P2-1000W, Soundcard- Realtek High Definition Audio, OS- Windows 10 Pro 64-Bit
Games: APB: Reloaded, Hours played: 3100+  System2: Late 2011 Macbook Pro 15inch   OFw63FY.png





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