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Christianity vs evolution, version "the understanding"


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#1 ryan_w_quick

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Posted 22 March 2011 - 09:56 PM

I don't understand why many people in Christianity do not believe in evolution. Personally, I do not see how the two conflict. For example, you can believe that God created everything in the beginning, and that evolution, minor and/or micro, has occurred since then.
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Posted 26 March 2011 - 01:43 PM

Those who believe in evolution; that every thing started out a one celled something and then evolved through millions or billions of years into plants and animals that are on earth today. Humans being one of the animals. Why is so hard to believe what God said. He created us in His image. I was created. If we evolved from monkeys, why are their still monkeys? The monkeys that are still here must be very mad they missed the evolution train and can't be humans.

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Posted 26 March 2011 - 03:26 PM

Because we didn't evolve from monkeys, and that is not what the theory of evolution is about. That's like saying "If we evolved from children, why are there still children". The theory of evolution states that we all (meaning all living things) share a common ancestor. That's it.

Edited by groovicus, 26 March 2011 - 05:25 PM.
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Posted 26 March 2011 - 05:11 PM

The stories in the bible may not be true but they do give a important message. For this, the story would be Adam and Eve.

Edited by killerx525, 26 March 2011 - 05:11 PM.

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Posted 26 March 2011 - 05:26 PM

What?? Are you trying to say that the bible may not be true, but the story of Adam and Eve is? And this is important how?

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Posted 26 March 2011 - 06:19 PM

Maybe i should of worded the last sentence a bit better. What i meant is the story Adam and Eve is a interpretation of the beginning but i'm pretty sure there is a meaning behind it.

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Posted 26 March 2011 - 07:19 PM

Just for sake of discussion, what do you suppose that meaning might be, 'cause I could just as easily say that there is no meaning behind it. No room for discussion really, is there?

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Posted 26 March 2011 - 07:33 PM

The story has meaning to it but i just can't remember what that meaning is :wacko:

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Posted 27 March 2011 - 12:04 AM

Speaking as one who has actually read the story of Adam and Eve as related in the King James Bible, I cannot fathom what message would be hidden in it except that its author couldn't keep his story straight.

Evolution and creationism are, in my mind, mutually antagonistic; one is credible while the other is incredible, they cannot honestly coexist in ones mind as equally valid.

It seems fairly obvious to me that if one were to believe that the evolution of species were guided by an external intelligence then one would be forced to admit that the intelligence in question is imperfect and that its power was not absolute. Ideas which are diametrically opposed to those commonly held in Abrahamic faiths.

The same facts which would force a creationist to admit the imperfection of God also force the evolutionist to discredit the existence of a god altogether. Imperfections and errors abound in the living world. Are we to believe that a perfect deity intentionally created imperfection? That would be malicious. Are we to believe that this deity could not create perfection? Then why call it a god?

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Posted 27 March 2011 - 06:11 AM

The only message I get from the Adam and Eve story is - 'if you learn more than I say you can(I being God), you will be punished'.

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Posted 27 March 2011 - 07:57 AM

I think the message has to do with the snake tempting Eve to eat the apple or something like that.

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Posted 27 March 2011 - 06:54 PM

Evolution and creationism


i believe in these two


cuz You can't deny evolution and you can't deny the existence of God


evolution is scientifically Proofed there's a lot of clues about it

creationism :
i believe in it too
cuz i don't think that all this world created by just chance 1/10000000000
it must be something or someone done it



i saw This Documentary Called "Through the worm hole with Morgen freeman "

That discussed the idea
OF if god is out there, what is God ? or who is God ?

Really Great Documentary


" what if we are a computer simulation and God is a programmer :S"

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Posted 27 March 2011 - 07:13 PM

" what if we are a computer simulation and God is a programmer :S"

Or like I saw in a signature of a member at another forum.

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Posted 27 March 2011 - 07:19 PM

The question Why did God created Us answers this question


is it for His amusement ??

OR we have a Role in a bigger plan of his ???

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what if we are sims in playstation 13 ??? :S

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Posted 27 March 2011 - 07:48 PM

And here is me, denying the existence of God (so clearly your conjecture is incorrect)

You do understand that evolution and creationism are exact opposites? All evidence thus far supports evolution, but that does not mean it has been proven. By the way, the process of evolution, and the theory of evolution are two different things. There is no credible evidence that refutes it. That is how science works. Creationism is not science. Creationism is a belief that life was created by supernatural beings, and fundamentalists turn to the bible as evidence of intelligent design. That clearly is not science since there is no evidence to support it at all, just a belief that there is no way that billions of years of adaptation by organisms can result in the life we see around us. While evolution supports exactly that, Creationism does nothing to refute it.




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