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#1 TNF

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Posted 11 March 2011 - 08:41 PM

Hi, I am building a couple gaming computers for my sons.The last things I need to buy are the MB, processor and graphics card.

I was planning to go with AMD to save on costs, but have heard I should reconsider Intel if only for the stability alone. Is there any merit to that ?

For a gamping PC, would you recommend any specific processors (and motherboards) following this criteria....

- I only want Quad core for now, to save cost.
- I'm hoping to spend closer to $100 than $200 for the processor. Please dont respond
with "you can't" because I know I can, and most of the money is going into the GPU anyway.
- I'd like to get a motherboard that doesn't limit my upgrade abilities later. That said, I can't
afford Sandy Bridge or anything else as expensive, so I know there is some risk.
- I am hoping to get the MB and CPU for $250 or less.

I'd like to get a MB with a socket that will be around a while, for later upgrading of just the CPU... although I know there are no guarantees. I was lkeading toward an Athlon II... but am also considering the Intel i5 series.

Any CPU's... or motherboard manufacturers I should avoid ?

I know I have a lot more reading to do but I am hoping for advice and recommendations from people that have been through this.

Thank you very much to anyone that replies.

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Posted 11 March 2011 - 09:22 PM

Intel is good for gaming whereas AMD is good for encoding etc. This and this adds up to $240 plus $8.50 postage which all adds up to $248.50. This motherboard which i used to build my uncle's computer also using a very similiar i3 processor.

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Posted 12 March 2011 - 12:37 AM

Intel and AMD are good for both encoding AND gaming, to say otherwise is pure FUD. Intel's architecture is more powerful than AMD's current offerings, so it will naturally be more powerful. AMD's way of competing is going after the mid to low-end CPU brackets with price. Both make good CPU's, Intel's going for the high-end market, and AMD with everything else.

Motherboard: MSI 870S-G54 AM3 AMD 870 - This is a decent motherboard that takes AM3 CPU's, DDR3-1333 RAM, USB 3.0, SATA 6, and Crossfire with AMD GPU's. Intel's Socket 1155 is going to be around for a while and AMD hasn't yet introduced their AM3+ socket. There will be backwards compatibility on AMD's stuff, AM3 CPU's will work in AM3+ motherboards, but not the opposite. Intel's 1156 will most likely be phased out for the newer LGA 1155, and LGA 1366 in favor of LGA 2011. $99

CPU: AMD Phenom II X4 955 Black Edition Deneb 3.2GHz - You have options here. Pretty much anything above Phenom II X4 945 can beat an i3 540. $139

Cost: $240

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Posted 12 March 2011 - 12:50 AM

Quad core power over a dual core. I have to admit that i have never built a AMD setup due to people's preference.


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Posted 12 March 2011 - 08:48 AM

I have built both AMD and intel systems, and currently, like both. Yes, the intels do outperform the AMD CPUs, but not by as huge a margin as a lot of people think-and I say this after running numerous tests on comparable CPUs. I have a AMD phenom II in my gaming rig-much more affordable, and I couldnt see me spending over twice as much for a intel CPU, especially seeing as I wouldn't be getting twice as much power. I run games such as blackops and Battlefield bad company 2 quite easily off of it.

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Posted 12 March 2011 - 08:58 AM

I might invest in AMD gaming rig setup because it is really cheap for the flagship model of the cpu here in Australia. But i'm not sure about there durability and the amount of heat produced.


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Posted 12 March 2011 - 01:02 PM

I have built numerous Phenom IIx4 based systems. Reliability is fine. As good as any knteat is some what higher than the i7 depending what TPR you choose. I have done some 65 watt TPR systems using the stock cooler and they are inaudible from two feet away.
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Posted 12 March 2011 - 05:53 PM

It looks like the new bulldozer cpu will be in my next gaming rig :thumbsup:

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Posted 12 March 2011 - 06:00 PM

It looks like the new bulldozer cpu will be in my next gaming rig :thumbsup:


Problem is you will have to get yet another motherboard (Socket AM3+).

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Posted 12 March 2011 - 06:19 PM

well, most AMD chips, in a decently well built systems run decently cool, and if your building a high performance rig, typically its wise to invest in aftermarket cooling. My phenom II quad runs at 37 C under load-idles at 25, and while I got a good cooler (zalman CNPS 10x flex) I know theres even better ones out there. The hottest I ever got it was 41 C, and that was after like an hour and a half of torture tests under prime 95. That is maybe 3 degrees hotter then my brothers i7 (also with aftermarket cooling)

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Posted 12 March 2011 - 06:31 PM

AMD Phenom X 6 would be the best suggestion, mine is AMD also and is running smooth with games pair it with an ATI Video card 1GB then your son will have a good gaming rig
I can play NBA 2k11 COD black ops very smoothly and online games too.

AMD Performs same as Intel does or mayber better for a lesser price.. :thumbsup:

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Posted 12 March 2011 - 06:59 PM


It looks like the new bulldozer cpu will be in my next gaming rig :thumbsup:


Problem is you will have to get yet another motherboard (Socket AM3+).

I will get the new motherboard and i usually buy a aftermarket cooler when i am building a gaming rig.

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Posted 13 March 2011 - 07:31 PM

I appreciate all the great help/advice.
I'm sure I will have more questions later, but I wanted to thank you and let you know I am following the thread... and didnt just get my advice and disappear.

I think I am probably going to end up with the AMD Phenom II... to save some money... and still have good "current" performance.

Anything I should know about AM3 vs. AM3+ before I buy a CPU and MB ?
Any opinions on the Radeon 6850's ?

My boys play(or try to play on their old systems) games like COD Black Ops, Fallout New Vegas, Dead Rising 2, Metro 2033, etc. I am hoping something like the Radeon 8650 will run them fine... and for a while... because it is relatively inexpensive.

Any more opinions are very much appreciated.

Anyways... Thanks for everything so far.

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Posted 13 March 2011 - 08:33 PM

I bought a 6850 for my friend and it's a really nice graphics card that is able to play the games you mentioned!

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Posted 13 March 2011 - 08:39 PM

the AM3+ hasnt been released yet, but am3 CPUs should work in AM3+ sockets, but not vice versa. IF your wanting maximum performance, wait for the bulldozer line to come out and purchase a am3+ board and CPU. Otherwise, what you have now will work just fine. the 6850s are nice cards, I prefer purchasing ATI cards from Saphire or ASUS

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