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Why are there no secure systems?


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#1 ranget

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Posted 21 February 2011 - 02:36 PM

i have a question in mind

why there is no secure system

is there a way to make an OS UN penetrable ?

like just a internet computer to surf the web
and download stuff without getting hacked

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Posted 21 February 2011 - 03:38 PM

Yes, absolutely there is a way to make a system secure. Do not allow it to connect to the Internet or intranets and never install anything from a flash drive or unknown media. Nor allow any other persons to have access to the machine.

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#3 ranget

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Posted 21 February 2011 - 03:50 PM

well then we have to get two computer

1- for the internet
2- the other is personal


but why is internet is not secure ??

or in other way why are we getting hacked ??
isn't there a way to make a computer just work ? cuz i was googling i found stuff like exploit and other stuff
that even with a firewall can be hacked

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i'm just freaking out and can't use the computer like old time
knowing that there is a hacker terrifying my family

you electronics are growing

so if my system got hacked i will lose all my privacy

laptop web cams and microphone my htpc

it's basically like the hacker in our home

it's sucks actually

why those harverd computer engineers not doing anything
all i see is a cracked up systems always getting hacked and patched
and anti virus software that do nothing

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Posted 21 February 2011 - 03:57 PM

but why is internet is not secure ??


Simply put, there are two reasons for malware Fun and Profit. Some find it fun and a game to trash other peoples machines. Then there is the larger motive, profit at another's expense with little to zero risk to themselves.

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Posted 21 February 2011 - 04:07 PM

Simply put, there are two reasons for malware Fun and Profit. Some find it fun and a game to trash other peoples machines. Then there is the larger motive, profit at another's expense with little to zero risk to themselves.


thanks for the answer

I'm saying why there is a possibility to steel in the first place :blink:

like if someone can hack just using the ip

why the isp don't protect me and hide my ip ???

i'm just shocked to know that's it's possible to hack just using the ip

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Posted 21 February 2011 - 04:24 PM

In very simplified terms.

An IP is your 'address' on the internet, much like a house address is used for regular mail. If you send a request for information such as look up a website or access your email. The Internet needs to know where to send the data to fulfill the return information request. It is how the Internet is designed.

If you take away your house address how will anybody be able to send you a Christmas card?

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Posted 21 February 2011 - 04:54 PM

thanks again for the answer


:wink:

i don't know why the computer is hackable just by the ip :dance:

thanks for the replay the ip is essential

but i don't know why expliot is used

i have kaspersky 2011 internet security and got hacked more than once

now with
comodo also got hacked so

there no use

i think iwill get of the internet soon

or i'm going to detecate a seprate computer for the internet

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Posted 21 February 2011 - 05:38 PM

the Ip is not an exploit, it is just an address hackers use to find your computer. It is necessary, without it no one on the internet can find you and you wouldnt receive any data. Hackers, just use that IP to then connect to your computer and find exploits or ways around your existing security features and force their way through them. That is why I recomend a good firewall and antivirus, One of the best firewalls available for windows systems is Comodo firewall, but even that isnt invincible. That is why it is wise to be careful what you visit on the web. going to sites with a lot of popups such as porn-and sites that pass along pirated software/music, are an open invitation to getting malware and being hacked.

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Posted 22 February 2011 - 01:58 AM

the Ip is not an exploit, it is just an address hackers use to find your computer. It is necessary, without it no one on the internet can find you and you wouldnt receive any data. Hackers, just use that IP to then connect to your computer and find exploits or ways around your existing security features and force their way through them. That is why I recomend a good firewall and antivirus, One of the best firewalls available for windows systems is Comodo firewall, but even that isnt invincible. That is why it is wise to be careful what you visit on the web. going to sites with a lot of popups such as porn-and sites that pass along pirated software/music, are an open invitation to getting malware and being hacked.



thanks Patriot, I was looking of a new firewall. I turn my firewall on someone turns it off. I turn it on again and within a few minutes, it's off again. I personally think it is local, because when it happens, I get an error message in my administrative Tools, Event files. I'll try this one and see if this helps.

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Posted 22 February 2011 - 09:53 AM

Well I think I found the reason for my problem. As The Patriot said, "wise to be careful what you visit ..." I understand the need to watch where you go. The following article is about child pornography, but this happened around the time that I took the hit I did. I'll never know if this is what caused my system break or not, but I'm thinking the technology they used did. Yes, I think this is what happens when big brother is on the loose with powerful technology that they do not know or understand how to use.

http://www.pntonline.com/news/portales-24375-charged-child.html

Portales mechanic facing child porn chargesFreedom New Mexico
2011-02-18 18:30:16
A Portales mechanic has been charged with possessing child pornography.

David L. Payton, 43, of Portales was arrested Thursday and charged with six counts of sexual exploitation of children by possession, according to a new release from the Roosevelt County Sheriff’s Office.

He would face a maximum sentence of nine years if convicted.

The charges stem from an investigation beginning in January, when Payton began downloading videos using peer-to-peer software, according to the release. Chief Deputy Malin Parker said the sheriff’s office has software that can scan the area and allow deputies to track downloads.

Deputies executed a search warrant of Payton’s home and found his computer with child pornography videos, according to the release. He was arrested on scene.

Friday afternoon, Payton remained in the Roosevelt County Detention Center on a $30,000 cash-only bond.

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Posted 22 February 2011 - 02:45 PM

but why is internet is not secure ??


The reality is that in it's original inception the Internet was never intended to be used as extensively as it is today. The Internet was not designed with security in mind. As a result, the Internet in it's current form will never be secure, because that is not what it was designed to do. Creating a truly secure Internet will require fundamental rebuilding of the entire structure for the ground up. With the massive implementation of the current technology, such a redesign is a titanic undertaking.

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Posted 22 February 2011 - 10:27 PM

The reality is that Facebook and Google and You Tube and Picasa and more have a giant network that is taking us all for a ride, an involuntary one, watch and see!


http://ca.answers.yahoo.com/question/index?qid=20100913134406AAacupW

I just got locked out of my Facebook, My Picasa, My You Tunes, my gmail, my google account and its all very similar to complaints I've seen about some people really hot under the collar about these games being played and invasions into privacy and the whole time Facebook is trying to pry into our lives, they are giving us a line about how they want to protect us and the truth is just the opposite. :dance:

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Posted 22 February 2011 - 10:54 PM

As this topic is beginning to turn into a debate I am shifting it to the Speak Easy.

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Posted 23 February 2011 - 01:09 PM

Because No Perfect Virus Scanner Can Exist (see also here [postscript file])

More intuitively, there is a significant overlap between legitimate and malicious usage.
Legitimate users send email - Malicious users send spam
Dropbox syncs files to a remote server - some malicious programs will do the same thing
Legitimate internet filters block access to some sites - Malicious programs block access to some sites

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Posted 24 February 2011 - 08:02 AM

i think there is a game or a conspiracy in this

like why don't they do a new secure internet and lose the old one

it's not about the malicious codes
it's about the exploits

i really don't understand why they exist and how

it's pitty that the os and the internet is built like that

really shame

let's hope that windows 8 will be better

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