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#1 DONBEL

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Posted 16 February 2011 - 06:38 PM

http://www.bleepingcomputer.com/forums/topic373821.html

On Jan. 16 I posted my first request for info on upgrading a refurbished PC I was purchasing. You're info was great but some unforeseen expenses have delayed the upgrade. Now's the time!

I read the reviews on the CPU you guys suggested and they were great except that most reviewers seemed to think the heat sink/ fan combo was weak and suggested an upgrade there. Do you all agree? If so what would you suggest?

Second question--budget's really tight--would I see much performance increase if I waited on the GPU? I will definitely add the RAM you suggested, but my PSU is only 250W. Will that be enough? I believe I have a fairly new 350W PSU in my old Dell I couldswap out if I need to do so.

And. last, does your sight have a tutorial on upgrading or replacing CPUs, especially how to apply thermal paste and any BIOS changes I might have to make? This will be my first time. I understand static discharge, etc. and have been inside computers often but have never replaced a CPU.

Hate to sound like such a newbie--especially at my age--but we have to start somewhere. BTW, I have read most of your tutorials and browse your forum--often just as a guest--while at work and I try to soak up what I can as I go. What a great resource!

You have helped me help others--especially with malware removal.

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Posted 17 February 2011 - 06:29 AM

What's your budget for the ram and power supply together?

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Posted 17 February 2011 - 07:16 PM

Well, the RAM is about $30. I could maybe go another $50 on the PSU--total $80. How many watts should I get? I've replaced PSU's before because I always bought the cheapest. I'd rather get a better one than just more watts.

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Posted 18 February 2011 - 12:12 AM

Power supply
My link Remove the 1GB ram stick to put this ram which makes your computer to 4GB.

You could get this processor, according to the reviews they it's loud and tricky to put on the fan. You can buy a aftermarket cooler

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Posted 18 February 2011 - 01:33 AM

Killerx525, thanks for all of the feedback.

The price on the RAM is a bit less than I thought and the PSU is very reasonable so I could probably afford the increase in price on the 955 vs. 925 PSU you suggested before. Or I might just save the money with the 925.

My real problem now is just what tips I might need for the installation, especially with things like the thermal paste and the questions about factory vs.other cooling systems. Any suggestions? Any links you know that would give me a little step-by-step. I definitely want to do this myself but I don't want to do something stupid because I didn't ask first.

I plan to pick up what I need tomorrow at CompUSA close to me so I might not get exactly the same prices. They seem to be close to Newegg most of the time.

Thanks, guys.

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Posted 18 February 2011 - 03:28 AM

The 925 is out of stock unfortunately.


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Posted 18 February 2011 - 12:10 PM

I just picked up a 450W PSU at CompUSA on sale for $34. It is an Ultra LSP450.

But CompUSA didn't have the RAM or PSU so the upgrade doesn't happen today. I DID order the AMD Phenom II x4 955 and the Kingston 2GB 1333 DDR3 pc10600 RAM from NEWEGG and should get it in about three-four days. I'll try the stock fan on the PSU first and then see. In a couple months I'll look into the GPU.

Thanks for the videos from Youtube. I guess I could have done that research myself. Doh!!

I'll let everyone know how this all works out.

Thanks again for all of the help.

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Posted 19 February 2011 - 07:48 AM

Good to hear!

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Posted 23 February 2011 - 09:20 PM

Hey, guys.

Did the upgrade: new AMD Phenom II X4 955, new 450 watt PSU and 2GB of ram. Everything went smoothly enough as far as the installation but on fire-up I get an error that the CPU is unsupported and an immediate power down.

I checked all of the specs, the connections, etc. but no joy.

Any suggestions?

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Posted 24 February 2011 - 12:04 AM

It should be supported according to this HP document.

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Posted 24 February 2011 - 12:16 AM

Not if you read the document, carefully.
According to the documentation, that motherboard only supports CPUs with a TDP (Thermal Design Power) of 95W.
The 955 Deneb has a TDP of 125W.

I would venture to guess, that's the cause of the "unsupported" issue.

NewEgg lists 3 Deneb's with a 95W TDP.
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Posted 24 February 2011 - 12:48 AM

I'd rather get a better one than just more watts.


I just picked up a 450W PSU at CompUSA on sale for $34. It is an Ultra LSP450.


Do you see the problem?

"Ultra" and "better" aren't usually used in the same sentence when talking about power supplies, but the terms "smoke", "sparks" and "uh-oh" sometimes are.

That PSU is maybe, maybe, a 300 watt unit on a good day. 24 amp 12V rail.

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Posted 24 February 2011 - 12:50 AM

It usually works even if you use 125W processor.

Edited by killerx525, 24 February 2011 - 12:54 AM.

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Posted 24 February 2011 - 01:06 AM

It usually works even if you use 125W processor.


Actually it doesnt, if I recall right the pin layout for a 125 watt CPU is slightly different, and it draws more power. If the manual says it only supports 95 watt CPUs, it is probably because the chipset wasnt designed to supply more power then that, hence it won't work. This is why with am2 boards, the only AM3 CPUs that will work are ones with 95 TDP and lower, I had a friend who actually bent pins on a 955 CPU trying to get it to fit in a Am2 socket.

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Posted 24 February 2011 - 01:11 AM

It usually works even if you use 125W processor.


Thats a lot to ask from a 3+1 phase board with no heatsinks on the vregs.

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