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"No Free Space" when Defragmenting Files


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#1 ixcuincle

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Posted 30 January 2011 - 08:10 AM

I am trying to defragment my hard drive.

I use two programs in order to do this, Auslogics Disk Defrag and the default Windows defragmenter. Both of them seem like skipping huge files due to "free space" errors, even though these files are heavily fragmented. For this reason, defragmentation typically does very little.

Here is one of the logs from Auslogics Disk Defrag.

Disk Size 178.30 GB
Free Space Size 38.43 GB
Clusters 46739109
Sectors per cluster 8
Bytes per sector 512
Started defragmentation 1/30/2011 8:00:35 AM
Completed defragmentation 1/30/2011 8:02:24 AM
Elapsed time 00:01:49
Total Files 280898
Total Directories 20148
Fragmented Files 827
Defragmented Files 180
Skipped Files 647
Fragmentation Before 57.80% |||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
Fragmentation After 57.53% |||||||||||||||||||||||||||||


Disk Defragmentation Details
Fragments Clusters Size Result File Name
2 19248 / 19255 25.38 KB OK C:\Documents and Settings\Stang\Local Settings\Application Data\Mozilla\Firefox\Profiles\4j9kgy20.default\Cache\E3336DEAd01
2 19449 / 19459 36.92 KB OK C:\Documents and Settings\Stang\Local Settings\Application Data\Mozilla\Firefox\Profiles\4j9kgy20.default\Cache\BE924944d01
2 19317 / 19324 27.37 KB OK C:\Documents and Settings\Stang\Local Settings\Application Data\Mozilla\Firefox\Profiles\4j9kgy20.default\Cache\970BC491d01
3 19688 / 19701 51.76 KB OK C:\Documents and Settings\Stang\Local Settings\Application Data\Mozilla\Firefox\Profiles\4j9kgy20.default\Cache\26F4EE91d01
2 19701 / 19711 36.07 KB OK C:\Documents and Settings\Stang\Local Settings\Application Data\Mozilla\Firefox\Profiles\4j9kgy20.default\Cache\D1FE0596d01
26 83782 / 83886 411.78 KB OK C:\System Volume Information\_restore{B9823275-D858-498B-A4DC-C4EEDA322F67}\RP263\change.log
2 19711 / 19716 19.28 KB OK C:\Documents and Settings\Stang\Local Settings\Application Data\Mozilla\Firefox\Profiles\4j9kgy20.default\Cache\0982C3D4d01
2 26264 / 26282 69.89 KB OK C:\Documents and Settings\Stang\Application Data\Dropbox\l\4d455cff
4 19181 / 19185 16.00 KB OK C:\Documents and Settings\All Users\Application Data\Microsoft\IdentityCRL\production\temp\wlidui_WLIDSVC
2 19749 / 19755 23.39 KB OK C:\Documents and Settings\Stang\Local Settings\Application Data\Mozilla\Firefox\Profiles\4j9kgy20.default\Cache\7E50652Bd01
5 28406 / 28424 68.79 KB OK C:\Documents and Settings\Stang\Application Data\vlc\vlcrc
5 29276 / 29297 81.90 KB OK C:\Documents and Settings\Stang\Application Data\Mozilla\Firefox\Profiles\4j9kgy20.default\prefs.js
3 19936 / 19942 21.51 KB OK C:\Documents and Settings\Stang\Application Data\Thunderbird\Profiles\m9mp63y8.default\prefs.js
9 650798 / 651261 1.81 MB OK C:\Documents and Settings\Stang\Local Settings\Application Data\Thunderbird\Profiles\m9mp63y8.default\XPC.mfl
3 20084 / 20089 18.34 KB OK C:\Documents and Settings\Stang\Application Data\Thunderbird\Profiles\m9mp63y8.default\localstore.rdf
328 24729963 / 24811940 320.22 MB free space not found C:\Program Files\World of Warcraft\Data\Cache\SoundCache-2.MPQ
1714 46010125 / 46282328 1.04 GB free space not found C:\Program Files\World of Warcraft\Data\Cache\SoundCache-0.MPQ
365 30403950 / 30458629 213.59 MB free space not found C:\Program Files\World of Warcraft\Data\Cache\enUS\SoundCache-enUS.MPQ
607 46010123 / 46084260 289.60 MB free space not found C:\Program Files\World of Warcraft\Data\Cache\patch-base-13164.MPQ


Now, I have tried to free up as much space as possible, and 38.4 gigabytes of disk space is free. That seems to be more than enough for proper defragmentation, yet the errors persist.

Any advice on what to do in order to properly defragment this hard drive?

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Posted 30 January 2011 - 08:28 AM

Not sure what "free space errors" might be...but running the chkdsk /r command on a partition results in a check of free space (last step0.

The chkdsk /r should be run before defragging, IMO.

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Posted 30 January 2011 - 08:33 AM

Even though you fall within the 15% free space needed for defragmentation to run if there are very large files you may need more than the 15%. Try running disk clean up, make sure all of you IE, Firefox, Chrome caches are empty to free up as much space as possible. Another big space hog is system restore since it is set automatically to the max (12%) if you haven't adjusted it. For you that would be about 21 GB which is ridiculous. Tone it down to a reasonable level in the 1 GB range and then you should defrag fine.
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Posted 30 January 2011 - 08:48 AM

Even though you fall within the 15% free space needed for defragmentation to run if there are very large files you may need more than the 15%. Try running disk clean up, make sure all of you IE, Firefox, Chrome caches are empty to free up as much space as possible. Another big space hog is system restore since it is set automatically to the max (12%) if you haven't adjusted it. For you that would be about 21 GB which is ridiculous. Tone it down to a reasonable level in the 1 GB range and then you should defrag fine.


Alright, I'll look into it. I'm running the chkdsk /r thing now, and that seems to be taking a while, but as soon as it finishes I'll check the settings.

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Posted 30 January 2011 - 12:51 PM

Alright, I put the settings at 1% (2 GB) for System Restore, and I tried to defrag again using Auslogics Disk Defrag. After this, there is about 41 gigs of free space.

Disk Size 178.30 GB
Free Space Size 41.71 GB
Clusters 46739109
Sectors per cluster 8
Bytes per sector 512
Started defragmentation 1/30/2011 12:46:10 PM
Completed defragmentation 1/30/2011 12:49:05 PM
Elapsed time 00:02:54
Total Files 273500
Total Directories 20080
Fragmented Files 678
Defragmented Files 114
Skipped Files 564
Fragmentation Before 57.81% |||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
Fragmentation After 57.37% |||||||||||||||||||||||||||||


The largest fragmented files are about 3 or 4 gigs, which still can't be defragmented due to "free space" claims.

Here are excerpts from the Auslogics log.

11 13729072 / 13737501 32.92 MB free space not found C:\Documents and Settings\All Users\Application Data\Lavasoft\Ad-Aware\Defs\core.aawdef
15 14539215 / 14548113 34.75 MB free space not found C:\Documents and Settings\All Users\Application Data\Lavasoft\Ad-Aware\Defs\Extended\cblk.vtd
2 13739272 / 13744677 21.11 MB free space not found C:\Documents and Settings\All Users\Application Data\Lavasoft\Ad-Aware\Defs\Extended\ctid.vtd
3 24895794 / 24901674 22.97 MB free space not found C:\Documents and Settings\All Users\Application Data\Lavasoft\Ad-Aware\Defs\Extended\white.wtd


I then tried to defragment using the Windows defragmenter. I got the same complaints about files that could not be defragmented.

Here is the log

Volume PRESARIO (C:)
Volume size = 178 GB
Cluster size = 4 KB
Used space = 137 GB
Free space = 41.72 GB
Percent free space = 23 %

Volume fragmentation
Total fragmentation = 30 %
File fragmentation = 58 %
Free space fragmentation = 3 %

File fragmentation
Total files = 273,502
Average file size = 630 KB
Total fragmented files = 547
Total excess fragments = 1,002,952
Average fragments per file = 4.66

Pagefile fragmentation
Pagefile size = 1.41 GB
Total fragments = 3,501

Folder fragmentation
Total folders = 20,084
Fragmented folders = 1
Excess folder fragments = 0

Master File Table (MFT) fragmentation
Total MFT size = 374 MB
MFT record count = 302,632
Percent MFT in use = 78 %
Total MFT fragments = 1,109

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Fragments File Size Files that cannot be defragmented
11,458 223 MB \Documents and Settings\Stang\Application Data\Thunderbird\Profiles\m9mp63y8.default\Mail\pop3.live.com\Inbox
9,009 422 MB \Program Files\KONAMI\Pro Evolution Soccer 2011\img\dt00_e.img
20,839 444 MB \Program Files\KONAMI\Pro Evolution Soccer 2011\img\dt0d.img
14,084 455 MB \Program Files\2K Sports\MLB 2K10\chatter.bin
14,042 498 MB \Documents and Settings\Stang\My Documents\Electronic Arts\The Sims 3\simCompositorCache.package
13,774 597 MB \Program Files\Sims 3 World Adventures\Caches\China.objectCache
11,959 611 MB \Program Files\Steam\steamapps\common\battlefield 2\mods\bf2\Objects_client.zip
9,852 611 MB \Program Files\EA GAMES\Battlefield 2\mods\bf2\Objects_client.zip
13,371 686 MB \Program Files\Sims 3 World Adventures\Caches\Egypt.objectCache
15,432 708 MB \Program Files\KONAMI\Pro Evolution Soccer 2011\img\dt11_0.img
8,066 801 MB \Program Files\KONAMI\Pro Evolution Soccer 2011\img\dt07.img
9,043 824 MB \Program Files\KONAMI\Pro Evolution Soccer 2011\img\dt0c_orig.img
14,574 824 MB \Program Files\KONAMI\Pro Evolution Soccer 2011\img\dt0c.img
23,442 853 MB \Program Files\Sims 3 World Adventures\Caches\France.objectCache
17,462 993 MB \Program Files\2K Sports\MLB 2K10\pamusic.bin
27,139 1.01 GB \Program Files\Sims 3 World Adventures\GameData\Shared\Packages\FullBuildep1.package
10,235 1.03 GB \Program Files\Rockstar Games\GTA San Andreas\audio\SFX\SPC_GA
30,475 1.05 GB \Program Files\Electronic Arts\The Sims 3 Ambitions\GameData\Shared\Packages\FullBuild_p04.package
12,981 1.07 GB \Program Files\Electronic Arts\The Sims 3 Ambitions\Caches\Twinbrook.objectCache
24,258 1.09 GB \Program Files\2K Sports\MLB 2K10\lines.bin
55,716 1.17 GB \Program Files\Electronic Arts\The Sims 3\GameData\Shared\Packages\FullBuild2.package
42,179 1.20 GB \Program Files\Electronic Arts\The Sims 3 Late Night\GameData\Shared\Packages\FullBuild_p06.package
11,789 1.29 GB \Program Files\World of Warcraft\Data\sound.MPQ
9,302 1.33 GB \Program Files\World of Warcraft\Data\expansion1.MPQ
38,800 1.45 GB \Documents and Settings\All Users\Documents\Americas Game\Americas.Game.Pittsburgh.Steelers.2008.720p.AC3.HDTV.x264-Mc5.mkv
56,142 1.77 GB \Program Files\Electronic Arts\The Sims 3\GameData\Shared\Packages\FullBuild1.package
27,085 2.44 GB \Program Files\World of Warcraft\Data\world.MPQ
46,918 2.50 GB \Program Files\World of Warcraft\Data\expansion2.MPQ
30,596 3.04 GB \Program Files\World of Warcraft\Data\art.MPQ


Edited by ixcuincle, 30 January 2011 - 01:05 PM.


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Posted 30 January 2011 - 02:03 PM

Hmmmmmmm...weird...

Try using the command line defrag tool. You can force defragmentation regardless of "free space" issues. INstructions are here: http://support.microsoft.com/kb/283080

If that completes I would try to run the regular defragmentation software immediately after to see if the free space issue persists.
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Posted 30 January 2011 - 02:54 PM

Hmmmmmmm...weird...

Try using the command line defrag tool. You can force defragmentation regardless of "free space" issues. INstructions are here: http://support.microsoft.com/kb/283080

If that completes I would try to run the regular defragmentation software immediately after to see if the free space issue persists.


It's still going on.

I started the command line defrag tool by going to Run, then typing defrag c:\ -f -v

The box closed after a few minutes so I don't know what happened. I then tried to defrag again with the Windows defragmenter and got the same claims that some of the files couldn't be defragmented. 41 Gb's of space remain freed up.

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Posted 30 January 2011 - 08:47 PM

The only thing I can think after looking over and over the reports is that you level of fragmentation is so great (mine rarely if ever exceeds 10% when analyzed) that you need more than the standard 15%. According tothe reports between the volume and free space you are approx 61% fragmented which is approx 81 GB of fragmented files. The Auslogics program apparently has the capability to do individual files and folder instead of doing the whole drive. I would try to do all of the suspect folders indiviually, analyze the drive to see the percent fragmentation, and keep doing folders until you can get the volume fragmentation under 20%.
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Posted 30 January 2011 - 08:51 PM

I will use that approach. Thank you for the advice.

I tried and it couldn't even defrag a single 400 MB file. Same issue about "no free space available".

I attempted again with the lowest sized file in the logs and this is what I got.

Disk Size 178.30 GB
Free Space Size 31.69 GB
Clusters 46739109
Sectors per cluster 8
Bytes per sector 512
Started defragmentation 1/30/2011 8:58:25 PM
Completed defragmentation 1/30/2011 8:58:26 PM
Elapsed time 00:00:01
Total Files 1
Total Directories 0
Fragmented Files 1
Defragmented Files 0
Skipped Files 1
Fragmentation Before 0.15% |
Fragmentation After 0.15% |

Disk Defragmentation Details
Fragments Clusters Size Result File Name
11473 12028185 / 12085279 223.02 MB free space not found C:\Documents and Settings\Stang\Application Data\Thunderbird\Profiles\m9mp63y8.default\Mail\pop3.live.com\Inbox


Would deleting the fragmented files reduce the fragmentation on the drive?

Edited by ixcuincle, 30 January 2011 - 09:01 PM.


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Posted 31 January 2011 - 03:58 AM

You can try to remove any "very sticky" Temp Files with TFC - I find this helps a great deal when I get problems like this - Not an everyday tool, just a backup -
Download TFC by OldTimer to your desktop.
  • Close any open windows.
  • Double click the TFC icon to run the program
  • TFC will close all open programs itself in order to run,
  • Click the Start button to begin the process.
  • Allow TFC to run uninterrupted.
  • The program should not take long to finish it's job
  • Once its finished it should automatically reboot your machine,
  • If it doesn't, manually reboot to ensure a complete clean -
Just an idea -

Thank You -

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Posted 31 January 2011 - 11:54 AM

I will try that.

I downloaded Defraggler from Piriform. No files are being skipped due to "free space", and I've pretty much kept the same amount of free space as with other defragging tools.

I think I might have had this issue figured out, but due to severe fragmentation of 50%, it might take a while to defragment all this. I guess I should defragment more often.

Thank you all for your help. If any more issues arise, I will let you all know.




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