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My first build - $1k (australia)


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#1 jakeandchase

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Posted 12 December 2010 - 04:39 AM

Hey guys, I am building my computer. I have 1000 for the system alone, parents will pay for the other peripherals.

Please note i live in Australia so i don't have sites like Newegg and such. I am shopping on a fairly high rated online computer store, not far from me. The main reasons are, they are relatively cheap and also at the moment they are offering free assembly, installation of os and drivers, testing for 24 hours and they will even ship it to me for free.


Could anyone please make some recommendations? All hardware i have chosen seems fairly good and is at a cheap price, excluding the graphics card.

Or could i possibly switch to the Intel side of things? Any processor that compares to this one is about $400 :S.

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If you could, link me to the product recommendation on mac technology (www.macotechnology.com.au) thanks.

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Posted 12 December 2010 - 04:49 AM

Is this for gaming at all? If so, I notice you have a AMD based system on a micro atx board with a NVIDIA card. I would recomend going with a full ATX motherboard-they tend to run cooler and have more room for expansion, if you can afford it. I don't know if your planning on ever running dual video cards, but if you do go with a full ATX board, with AMD chances are any multi GPU motherboard will only support crossfire, not SLI, so running a NVIDIA card there will limit future upgradeability (You can run a single NVIDIA card on a crossfire enabled board, but not 2) Going intel, would allow for both options, for like you mentioned, 2-3 times the price, which in my mind isnt worth it, becasue while intel CPUs do outperform AMD, they dont outperform to match the price-theyre not twice as good.

My recomendation is staying AMD, if your not interested in ever doing a multi GPU setup then that card is fantastic. I would still go with a full ATX board, but if you cant afford one, the board you have now is of good quality and price and will handle a good mid to high end gaming rig, its only downside is it limits future expansion. Another thing to consider, is perhaps looking to see if the ATI 6870 is any cheaper in your area, it should allow similar if not slightly better performance, and may be cheaper then the 470, wouldnt hurt to look. Nothing wrong with the 470, ATI just may be another option. Other then that, your build looks pretty good.

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Primary system: Motherboard: ASUS M4A89GTD PRO/USB3, Processor: AMD Phenom II x4 945, Memory: 16 gigs of Patriot G2 DDR3 1600, Video: AMD Sapphire Nitro R9 380, Storage: 1 WD 500 gig HD, 1 Hitachi 500 gig HD, and Power supply: Coolermaster 750 watt, OS: Windows 10 64 bit. 

Media Center: Motherboard: Gigabyte mp61p-S3, Processor: AMD Athlon 64 x2 6000+, Memory: 6 gigs Patriot DDR2 800, Video: Gigabyte GeForce GT730, Storage: 500 gig Hitachi, PSU: Seasonic M1211 620W full modular, OS: Windows 10.

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Posted 12 December 2010 - 04:52 AM

Yes, this will be used alot for gaming! Thanks heaps! Will check out and mix around some more prices.

The cheapest 6870 they have is $319, should i make the switch? And what do you recommend for running dual GPUs? A full size motherboard? COuld you recommend one?

Edited by jakeandchase, 12 December 2010 - 05:02 AM.


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Posted 12 December 2010 - 05:21 AM

You have 2 options with running dual GPU, is with that motherboard you can actually crossfire the onboard GPU with a low to mid range ATI video card, though this really isnt a very good option, it will offer some better graphics solution but not as much as a single 470 or 6870.

The other option you would have to get a full ATX motherboard with dual PCI express slots, preferably one with the 890 fx chipset for optimal performance if you want AMD, and if you stick with AMD you will have to switch to ATI video cards unless you can find a motherboard with a NVIDIA chipset, which are few and far between these days. Keep in mind, you will spend more on a full, crossfire enabled motherboard and will have to purchase 2 video cards to allow for crossfire or SLI.

If you switch to Intel, you can get motherboards that will support either ATI or SLI, allowing you to use 2 NVIDIA 470s in SLI if you choose, keep in mind though intel boards will cost twice as much as AMD boards, and you already know the difference between AMD and intel CPUs.

If it were me on a budget, I think I would spring for a full ATX motherboard (preferably gigabyte or ASUS) with the 890fx chipset, and a single 6870 to start out with. That way I could save up and add another 6870 down the line. If that was still above my budget, I would think about downgrading the CPU to the AMD phenom II 955 quad core black edition. Its nearly identical to the 965 in performance, its just 200 mhz slower, and that can easily be solved by overclocking if one were to so choose, and at least where Im at a good deal cheaper.

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Primary system: Motherboard: ASUS M4A89GTD PRO/USB3, Processor: AMD Phenom II x4 945, Memory: 16 gigs of Patriot G2 DDR3 1600, Video: AMD Sapphire Nitro R9 380, Storage: 1 WD 500 gig HD, 1 Hitachi 500 gig HD, and Power supply: Coolermaster 750 watt, OS: Windows 10 64 bit. 

Media Center: Motherboard: Gigabyte mp61p-S3, Processor: AMD Athlon 64 x2 6000+, Memory: 6 gigs Patriot DDR2 800, Video: Gigabyte GeForce GT730, Storage: 500 gig Hitachi, PSU: Seasonic M1211 620W full modular, OS: Windows 10.

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Posted 12 December 2010 - 06:09 AM

Oh and btw, is dual gpu like having double the performance or is it just for two monitors?

And if i get the 6870, i can get another and use them next to each other, right? Why couldn't i do this with the 470? Not supported with AMD boards?

Sorry i don't know too much about motherboards :S.
is there any here you could recommend (AMD DDR3 section)?
http://www.macotechnology.com.au/pd5.asp?cat=Motherboard&pd1=1&pd2=AMD%20DDR3


EDIT: Would either of these do the trick? And if so, which one would you recommend?
http://www.macotechnology.com.au/pd9.asp?cat=Motherboard&pd1=1&pd2=AMD%20DDR3&pid=2659
(ASUS M4A89GTD-PRO-USB3 AMD 4xDDR3, 2xPCIE, DVI, HDMI)
or
http://www.macotechnology.com.au/pd9.asp?cat=Motherboard&pd1=1&pd2=AMD%20DDR3&pid=202
(Gigabyte GA-890XA-UD3 AMD 4xDDR3, 2xPCIE, RAID)
They both read crossfire technology.


Also one question, i read i won't get nvidias "physx and cuda" on my ati, what are these?

think i might go with the two 6870s with crossfire support.
Can you help me find a motherboard to support this?

Edited by jakeandchase, 12 December 2010 - 07:11 AM.


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Posted 12 December 2010 - 12:34 PM

Using 2 GPUs doubles your graphics performance while slightly slowing down your CPU performance (not much) Both of those boards will work with a ATI solution no problem. As to answer your questions, AMD chipsets do not support SLI which is NVIDIAs way of pairing video cards. NVIDIA chipsets with AMD sockets will, but they are hard to find.

as far as the physx and cuda, no ATI does not support these-these are NVIDIA only features, just like their 3dvision. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/PhysX ATI still does a good job without them, so dont think thats a huge negative.

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Primary system: Motherboard: ASUS M4A89GTD PRO/USB3, Processor: AMD Phenom II x4 945, Memory: 16 gigs of Patriot G2 DDR3 1600, Video: AMD Sapphire Nitro R9 380, Storage: 1 WD 500 gig HD, 1 Hitachi 500 gig HD, and Power supply: Coolermaster 750 watt, OS: Windows 10 64 bit. 

Media Center: Motherboard: Gigabyte mp61p-S3, Processor: AMD Athlon 64 x2 6000+, Memory: 6 gigs Patriot DDR2 800, Video: Gigabyte GeForce GT730, Storage: 500 gig Hitachi, PSU: Seasonic M1211 620W full modular, OS: Windows 10.

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Posted 12 December 2010 - 12:35 PM

Oh, and of that list you provided this one Gigabyte GA-890FXA-UD7 AMD 4xDDR3, 6xPCIE, RAID is probably the best one that I see, though either of the ones you just chose will work well.

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Primary system: Motherboard: ASUS M4A89GTD PRO/USB3, Processor: AMD Phenom II x4 945, Memory: 16 gigs of Patriot G2 DDR3 1600, Video: AMD Sapphire Nitro R9 380, Storage: 1 WD 500 gig HD, 1 Hitachi 500 gig HD, and Power supply: Coolermaster 750 watt, OS: Windows 10 64 bit. 

Media Center: Motherboard: Gigabyte mp61p-S3, Processor: AMD Athlon 64 x2 6000+, Memory: 6 gigs Patriot DDR2 800, Video: Gigabyte GeForce GT730, Storage: 500 gig Hitachi, PSU: Seasonic M1211 620W full modular, OS: Windows 10.

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Posted 12 December 2010 - 04:32 PM

Thank you heaps! Here is the final build.
Please ignore the mouse and keyboard, the total price for the system is $1168, i am planning to buy a second ATI 6870 in the future.
So this motherboard should support that? And what about the PSU, is 720 watts enough?
Also one more thing, apparently the 6870 compared to the 6850 is only 7% more performance and costs 33% more! should i just get the 6850 CF? ( http://www.macotechnology.com.au/pd5.asp?cat=Video%20Card&pd1=1&pd2=HD6800%20Series&pd3=&pd4=2&pd5= ) It's $335 for 6870 ASUS and $265 for a 6850. There is also cheaper brands, a saphire 6850 is only $239! Would it make a difference if i went with the saphire? As you can see that'd save me $100!
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Once again, thanks heaps.

Edited by jakeandchase, 12 December 2010 - 05:05 PM.


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Posted 12 December 2010 - 05:59 PM

that all depends-personally, that 33% is a good sized difference to me, and when you crossfire that 33% doubles to 66%. Just something to keep in mind the 6850 is a good card, and should do the job, especially crossfired together. Keep in mind, you can crossfire a 6870 and a 6850 together, in fact you should be able to crossfire a 6870 with the new 69xx series, with crossfire you can mix and match in the same series, so if you choose a 6850 right now, and decide later you want a bit more ump you can drop a 6870 in no problem. Brand wise, the two best companies that make ATI chipsets are Saphire (my number once choice) and ASUS being my number 2 choice.

As far as your power supply, if it is crossfire enabled and has at least 40-50 amps on the 12v rails it should be decent, and be able to handle that system in theory. Personally, I always like to have extra power at my hands, so if Im building a system that may be crossfire enabled in the future, 7-750 watts should meet the requirements, but I would shoot for at least a good 850 watt PSU just to be on the safe side.

Edited by the_patriot09, 12 December 2010 - 06:01 PM.

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Media Center: Motherboard: Gigabyte mp61p-S3, Processor: AMD Athlon 64 x2 6000+, Memory: 6 gigs Patriot DDR2 800, Video: Gigabyte GeForce GT730, Storage: 500 gig Hitachi, PSU: Seasonic M1211 620W full modular, OS: Windows 10.

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Posted 15 December 2010 - 02:01 AM

Everyone on another forum said i am getting overkill with the psu for twin 6850s. They reccomend just a 650 watt aslong as it is 80+ certified.
review of the psu. will it do?

Not sure on this psu but atm it is:
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Then in a few months time i will purchase a second 6850 and use crossfire.
(please ignore mouse and keyboard as i'm not sure if i am getting these ones.

Final verdict?

Edited by jakeandchase, 15 December 2010 - 03:26 AM.


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Posted 15 December 2010 - 01:24 PM

It is a bit on the overkill side, Like stated previously the only time its really needed is if you do a lot of intensive gaming and you like your eye candy (such as crysis, BFBC2, etc. and running them maxed out at high resolutions) or if you do a lot of intensive graphics editing. It does improve your graphics a lot-but as far as being fully needed? no, Ive been gaming with games like bfbc2 with a single video card for as long as I can remember. I would love a crossfire system but cant afford it, so I stick with a single. Dual GPUs? not needed, but nice feature, so thats up to you if you want to spend the money on the extra GPU, and since your going with mid range cards, for future proofing it might be a good idea. If you choose to wait until the release of the 6970 (any day now I hope) a single card should do anything and everything 2 6870s will.

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Primary system: Motherboard: ASUS M4A89GTD PRO/USB3, Processor: AMD Phenom II x4 945, Memory: 16 gigs of Patriot G2 DDR3 1600, Video: AMD Sapphire Nitro R9 380, Storage: 1 WD 500 gig HD, 1 Hitachi 500 gig HD, and Power supply: Coolermaster 750 watt, OS: Windows 10 64 bit. 

Media Center: Motherboard: Gigabyte mp61p-S3, Processor: AMD Athlon 64 x2 6000+, Memory: 6 gigs Patriot DDR2 800, Video: Gigabyte GeForce GT730, Storage: 500 gig Hitachi, PSU: Seasonic M1211 620W full modular, OS: Windows 10.

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Posted 15 December 2010 - 07:11 PM

http://www.videocardbenchmark.net/high_end_gpus.html the 6850 is rated just under the 6870.

Yeah with the money i have now i'll just get the 6850. It's cheap and allows me to upgrade my psu and case to the ones there ^.




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