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#1 Inspector_L

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Posted 11 December 2010 - 02:06 PM

I am a recently-retired astrophysicist and in my lifetime I have built about a dozen pc's, so I am not new to the idea. However, I have been out of touch with the latest hardware for several years (read: lifetime in electronics terms) and so I am looking for help. I want to build a machine that is blazingly fast with reasonable storage (1T) and good graphics. Most on these boards are looking to build a fast gaming machine, and usually on the cheap. I can afford to put several thousands of dollars into it, so you might enjoy helping me pick components. I would say that my budget (really, conscience) would allow me to go as high as $3500-$4000. I will use the machine to do calculations and display results of my research on black holes. Also, I am a kid at heart, so looks matter. :-)
I would like to have it put together by April 2011. Thanks for any and all suggestions.

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Posted 11 December 2010 - 07:25 PM

Intel is releasing their new 2011 socket and you might as well wait for it since the socket will be the new high performance range which is replacing the 1366 socket.

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Posted 11 December 2010 - 08:34 PM

Thanks for the reply. I think waiting for that is a good idea. NE1 know what that new socket will mean as far as compatibility with current MoBo's? or other components? HG

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Posted 11 December 2010 - 09:41 PM

being intel, the new socket will have no backwards compatibility with older CPUs or vise versa-intel is horrible about that, you will have to purchase a 2011 CPU to fit in the socket.

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Posted 11 December 2010 - 09:43 PM

The Socket 2011 Sandybridge is not expected until 3Q11. Best case is end of summer. The mainstream Socket 1155 sandybridge is due next month. Whether you can wait depends upon your situation. Sandybridge is not compatable with any current motherboards/sockets. All other components should be swappable between current generation/Sandybridge boards. I am also waiting on Socket 2011.

It's hard to spend $3500-4000 on a desktop nowadays.

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Posted 11 December 2010 - 11:08 PM

AMD will also be coming out with a new socket, AM3+ with their upcoming Bulldozer line with the Zambezi line of CPU's. Next year will certainly be an interesting one with CPU's, AMD and Intel are using new architectures rather than updating current ones.

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Posted 12 December 2010 - 12:16 AM

I believe the 2011 socket will be backward compatibility with the 1366 aftermarket cooler.

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System1: CPU- Intel Core i7-5820K @ 4.4GHz, CPU Cooler- Noctua NH-D14, RAM- G.Skill Ripjaws 16GB Kit(4Gx4) DDR3 2133MHz, SSD/HDD- Samsung 850 EVO 250GB/Western Digital Caviar Black 1TB/Seagate Barracuada 3TB, GPU- 2x EVGA GTX980 Superclocked @1360/MHz1900MHz, Motherboard- Asus X99 Deluxe, Case- Custom Mac G5, PSU- EVGA P2-1000W, Soundcard- Realtek High Definition Audio, OS- Windows 10 Pro 64-Bit
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Posted 12 December 2010 - 01:59 AM

Most of your aftermarket coolers are made to fit a wide variety of socket types-at least the high end ones. the Zalman Im using will fit any AMD socket from 939 on up, as well as any intel socket from 775 to 1366, and I suspect intel didnt go to far off in the heatsink mounts, and the AM3+ socket is likely to be backward compatible as well when it comes to heatsinks.

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Media Center: Motherboard: Gigabyte mp61p-S3, Processor: AMD Athlon 64 x2 6000+, Memory: 6 gigs Patriot DDR2 800, Video: Gigabyte GeForce GT730, Storage: 500 gig Hitachi, PSU: Seasonic M1211 620W full modular, OS: Windows 10.

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Posted 12 December 2010 - 11:02 AM

It's hard to spend $3500-4000 on a desktop nowadays.


Good point. I was including the cost of a small machine gun turret to defend such a beauty. :-)

I appreciate the input on future sockets, etc. It is a tough decision to wait or not.
I guess things have changed, but "back in the day" I was always fighting with proper drivers for the newest hardware. Whether it was for OS/2 (NE1 remember that?) or Win 95/98/98se, sometimes the drivers never materialized. I wonder if there is a way to start the build early in 2011, and then upgrade to Sandybridge2011 when it is available. HG

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Posted 12 December 2010 - 07:01 PM

I reckon the motherboard manufactures will make the new motherboards design for 2011 socket before the actual processor itself gets released.

>Michael 
System1: CPU- Intel Core i7-5820K @ 4.4GHz, CPU Cooler- Noctua NH-D14, RAM- G.Skill Ripjaws 16GB Kit(4Gx4) DDR3 2133MHz, SSD/HDD- Samsung 850 EVO 250GB/Western Digital Caviar Black 1TB/Seagate Barracuada 3TB, GPU- 2x EVGA GTX980 Superclocked @1360/MHz1900MHz, Motherboard- Asus X99 Deluxe, Case- Custom Mac G5, PSU- EVGA P2-1000W, Soundcard- Realtek High Definition Audio, OS- Windows 10 Pro 64-Bit
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Posted 12 December 2010 - 08:03 PM

Both the motherboards and CPU's should be released at the same time since there is no backwards compatibility with Intel parts.

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Posted 13 December 2010 - 08:03 PM

Some advice I've long mentioned to customers is: if you decide to wait for the new socket/technology, then you might consider waiting a little longer for the 2nd gen Motherboards and drivers for them to work out the bugs and there will always be something new around the corner. You also will be paying a premium on the price that the newest technology always carries. I would hate to see you spend this kind of money to maybe disappointed. The I7's have been out long enough now to be stable and the pricing to come down. I've built around a dozen I7 systems in the past year and they still offer quite a bit of performance at a fair price. Below is an I7 system for you to consider (priced out at Newegg). If you really need a number crunching machine then you could go with a Dual XEON and still be within your price range. I'd post one of them for you, but I think I'll already used up enough forum space with this post.

Summary: I7-980X, 12GB ram, 4 - 640GB WD Blk running /Raid 5 or 10 (approx 1.8TB of usable space with fail safe and the speed of SSD), Blu-ray burner. If you want more graphics power you can get an extra card and SLI them.

Qty. Product Description Savings Total Price
1
LG Black 10X Blu-ray Burner - Bulk SATA WH10LS30 LightScribe Support
Item #:N82E16827136181
Return Policy: Standard Return Policy
$99.99

Red/cyan 3D Glasses For 3D Viewing On 3D Ready Television
Item #:N82E16800991111
Return Policy: Standard Return Policy
$0.00

CyberLink PowerDVD 9, 3D edition
Item #:N82E16800991112
Return Policy: Standard Return Policy
$0.00

4 - Western Digital Caviar Black 640GB 3.5" SATA 3.0Gb/s Internal Hard Drive -Bare Drive
Item #:N82E16822136319
Return Policy: Standard Return Policy
$259.96
2
2 - CORSAIR DOMINATOR 6GB (3 x 2GB) 240-Pin DDR3 SDRAM DDR3 1600 (PC3 12800) Triple Channel Kit Desktop Memory
Item #:N82E16820145224
Return Policy: Memory Standard Return Policy
$299.98
1
Antec Nine Hundred Black Computer Case With Side Panel Window
Item #:N82E16811129021
Return Policy: Limited Replacement Only Return Policy
-$40.00 Instant
$139.95
$99.95
1
EVGA GeForce GTX 470 (Fermi) 012-P3-1470-AR Video Card
Item #:N82E16814130550
Return Policy: VGA Standard Return Policy
-$20.00 Instant
$269.99
$249.99
1
Microsoft Windows 7 Ultimate 64-bit 1-Pack for System Builders
Item #:N82E16832116762
Return Policy: Software Standard Return Policy
$179.99
1

Intel Core i7-980X Extreme Edition 3.33GHz LGA 1366 130W Six-Core Desktop Processor
Item #: N82E16819115223
Return Policy: CPU Replacement Only Return Policy


ASUS Rampage II Extreme ATX Intel Motherboard
Item #: N82E16813131352
Return Policy: Limited Replacement Only Return Policy
-$10.00 Instant
-$44.99 Combo
$1,359.98
$1,304.99

CORSAIR CMPSU-850TX 850W ATX12V 2.2 / EPS12V 2.91 SLI Ready CrossFire Ready Active PFC Power Supply
Item #: N82E16817139009
Return Policy: Standard Return Policy
-$20.00 Instant
$159.99
$139.99

Grand Total: $2,634.84

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Posted 14 December 2010 - 02:11 AM

All technology has bugs in them, that's just the nature of it. That six-core CPU is most likely not necessary unless you are running the few applications that can really use it. Even then, I doubt there is sufficient reason to justify a $1000 CPU. The case is also too small for most SLI or Crossfire builds, speaking of which, the GTX 470 is already outclassed and will probably be more so on Wednesday when AMD releases their new high-end GPU's. The motherboard is also very overpriced. You should seriously consider waiting at least until the higher-end Sandy Bridge or Bulldozer CPU's come out. There is a difference between building a high-end gaming build and building a high-end number crunching machine.

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